Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Mary Ostrowski [Odesign1]Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - GARLICand CATS / Fleas Satin....Not sure where your data comes from , perhaps you or someone you know has had a rare experience, but , garlic is not toxic to cats if given the right dosage per weight....Mary O Mary - my info comes from research, veterinarians, and I found the info below in about 10 minutes online from a variety of sources. Garlic really can kill your cat OR dog, and extended, regular use is the worst. Cats, being obligate carnivores, are more susceptible than dogs, but individual responses are indeed wide and varied. I've excerpted articles I found into this email, but have put URL's where applicable. Onions are just as bad - anything from the Lily family is. This is easy to miss in cats, as they often, being creatures who sleep so much, don't evidence the extend of their anemia reaction. Then they die and people write it off to another cause. Have a great evening. Satin ************************************************************************************************************ http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1 & cat=1935 & articleid=2414 Onion and GarlicJennifer Prince, DVMVeterinary Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc. Toxin S-methylcysteine sulfoxide, n-propyl disulfide, methyl disulfide, allyl disulfide Source Onion or garlic (Allium spp.) including those that are fresh as well as those dried for use as spices. General Information Garlic and onion are used as flavor enhancers in food. Since the toxic amount is unknown, it is recommended not to add it to your pet's food. Many human baby foods have onion in them, and it is not recommended to feed them to pets. In dogs and cats, these ingredients can cause Heinz body anemia, resulting in a breakdown of the red blood cells and anemia. The bulbs, bulbets, flowers, and stems of the garlic and onion are all poisonous. Toxic Dose Unknown. Cats appear to be more sensitive than dogs. Signs Vomiting, diarrhea, anemia, discolored urine, weakness, liver damage, allergic reactions, asthmatic attacks, and in case of skin exposure, contact dermatitis. Immediate Action Induce vomiting and seek veterinary attention. If dermal (skin) exposure, bathe thoroughly and contact a veterinarian. Veterinary Care General treatment: The induction of vomiting may be continued, gastric lavage is performed, and activated charcoal administered, if ingested. If dermal exposure has occurred, the animal will be bathed and dried thoroughly. Supportive treatment: IV fluids are administered to maintain hydration. The animal will be monitored and treated for liver damage. Repeated blood tests will be performed to monitor for anemia; blood transfusions will be administered if necessary. Specific treatment: Unavailable. Prognosis Variable. ************************************************************************************************************ http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/garlic.php The use of garlic and other members of the Lily family such as onions, shallots, and chives in the cat's diet is not advised. Ingestion of these plants in a raw, cooked, or dried form can lead to damage of the red blood cells, which are rejected by the body from the bloodstream, and a continued use of garlic or onions can eventually result in hemolytic anemia. If the anemia is not controlled by discontinuing the use of the plants, it can potentially lead to death. Less significant but important is that raw garlic and onions irritate the mouth, esophagus, and stomach and can cause or exacerbate ulcers. "An alkaloid, N-propyl disulphide, present in both cultivated and wild onions, chives, and garlic, affects the enzyme, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase, in red blood cells that interferes with the hexose monophosphate pathway. Oxidation of hemoglobin results because there is either insufficient phosphate dehydrogenase or glutathione to protect the red blood cells from oxidative injury. The resulting formation of Heinz bodies within erythrocytes is characteristic of onion poisoning. (...)" Marielle Gomez-Kaifer, PhD, Department of Chemistry, University of Miami ************************************************************************************************************ http://www.care2.com/channels/solutions/pets/816 According to Dr. Randy Kidd, the use of garlic, as well as onions, shallots, and chives, has been shown to cause damage to feline red blood cells which can result in hemolytic anemia and eventual death. Raw garlic and onions can also cause ulcers and irritation of the mouth, esophagus and stomach. His recommendation: avoid giving garlic and onions to your cat! ************************************************************************************************************ "All You ever Wanted to Know about Herbs for Pets" it states the following: "Although toxic side effects from consumption of garlic are rare in animals and humans alike, the possibility of harming your dog, cat, or herbivore with garlic does exist, and there is growing controversy about how much garlic is enough and how much is too much. ---------- When misused (used excessively or over an extended period), garlic may cause Heinz-body anemia, a potentially life-threatening blood disease." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Thanks for all of your input, I think I will try something other than garlic, I was thinking maybe cedar bedding. then ditemaceous earth. herbal remedies , " Satin " <satin@p...> wrote: > Message > Mary Ostrowski [Odesign1@e...] > Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PM > herbal remedies > Herbal Remedies - GARLICand CATS / Fleas > > > Satin....Not sure where your data comes from , perhaps you or someone you > know has had a rare experience, but , garlic is not toxic to cats if given > the right dosage per weight....Mary O > Mary - my info comes from research, veterinarians, and I found the info > below in about 10 minutes online from a variety of sources. Garlic really > can kill your cat OR dog, and extended, regular use is the worst. Cats, > being obligate carnivores, are more susceptible than dogs, but individual > responses are indeed wide and varied. I've excerpted articles I found into > this email, but have put URL's where applicable. Onions are just as bad - > anything from the Lily family is. This is easy to miss in cats, as they > often, being creatures who sleep so much, don't evidence the extend of their > anemia reaction. Then they die and people write it off to another cause. > > Have a great evening. > > Satin > ********************************************************************** ****** > ******************************** > http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm? cls=1 & cat=1935 & articleid=2414 > > Onion and Garlic > Jennifer Prince, DVM > Veterinary Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc. > > > > Toxin > S-methylcysteine sulfoxide, n-propyl disulfide, methyl disulfide, > allyl disulfide > > Source > Onion or garlic (Allium spp.) including those that are fresh as well > as those dried for use as spices. > > General Information > Garlic and onion are used as flavor enhancers in food. Since the toxic > amount is unknown, it is recommended not to add it to your pet's food. Many > human baby foods have onion in them, and it is not recommended to feed them > to pets. In dogs and cats, these ingredients can cause Heinz body anemia, > resulting in a breakdown of the red blood cells and anemia. > > The bulbs, bulbets, flowers, and stems of the garlic and onion are all > poisonous. > > Toxic Dose > Unknown. Cats appear to be more sensitive than dogs. > > Signs > Vomiting, diarrhea, anemia, discolored urine, weakness, liver damage, > allergic reactions, asthmatic attacks, and in case of skin exposure, contact > dermatitis. > > Immediate Action > Induce vomiting and seek veterinary attention. If dermal (skin) > exposure, bathe thoroughly and contact a veterinarian. > > Veterinary Care > General treatment: The induction of vomiting may be continued, gastric > lavage is performed, and activated charcoal administered, if ingested. If > dermal exposure has occurred, the animal will be bathed and dried > thoroughly. > > Supportive treatment: IV fluids are administered to maintain > hydration. The animal will be monitored and treated for liver damage. > Repeated blood tests will be performed to monitor for anemia; blood > transfusions will be administered if necessary. > > Specific treatment: Unavailable. > > Prognosis > Variable. > > ********************************************************************* > *************************************** > > > > http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/garlic.php > The use of garlic and other members of the Lily family such as onions, > shallots, and chives in the cat's diet is not advised. Ingestion of these > plants in a raw, cooked, or dried form can lead to damage of the red blood > cells, which are rejected by the body from the bloodstream, and a continued > use of garlic or onions can eventually result in hemolytic anemia. If the > anemia is not controlled by discontinuing the use of the plants, it can > potentially lead to death. Less significant but important is that raw garlic > and onions irritate the mouth, esophagus, and stomach and can cause or > exacerbate ulcers. > > " An alkaloid, N-propyl disulphide, present in both cultivated and wild > onions, chives, and garlic, affects the enzyme, glucose-6-phosphate > dehydrogenase, in red blood cells that interferes with the hexose > monophosphate pathway. Oxidation of hemoglobin results because there is > either insufficient phosphate dehydrogenase or glutathione to protect the > red blood cells from oxidative injury. The resulting formation of Heinz > bodies within erythrocytes is characteristic of onion poisoning. (...) " > Marielle Gomez-Kaifer, PhD, Department of Chemistry, University of Miami > > ********************************************************************** ****** > ******************************** > > http://www.care2.com/channels/solutions/pets/816 > > According to Dr. Randy Kidd, the use of garlic, as well as onions, shallots, > and chives, has been shown to cause damage to feline red blood cells which > can result in hemolytic anemia and eventual death. Raw garlic and onions can > also cause ulcers and irritation of the mouth, esophagus and stomach. > > His recommendation: avoid giving garlic and onions to your cat! > > > > ********************************************************************** ***** > ********************************* > > " All You ever Wanted to Know about Herbs for > Pets " it states the following: > > " Although toxic side effects from consumption of garlic are rare in animals > and humans alike, the possibility of harming your dog, > cat, or herbivore with garlic does exist, and there is growing controversy > about how much garlic is enough and how much is too > much. ---------- When misused (used excessively or over an extended period), > garlic may cause Heinz-body anemia, a potentially > life-threatening blood disease. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Dear Satin, As I said in my last post, you might want to trace back these sources to see if there is a vested interest involved. For your info, there are allopathic doctors in the Vet field as well as the human MD field. :-) As usual, one needs to learn to sift one's data and to be wary of "authority" especially in the health industry regardless of whether or not it is human. LOL In recommending garlic to hundreds of my patient's cats, I've never heard of an adverse effect yet. My vet who is a friend and totally holistic has worked with tens of thousands of dogs and cats and never had an adverse reaction from recommending garlic. Keep researching. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc - Satin herbal remedies Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:37 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - GARLIC and CATS / Fleas Mary Ostrowski [Odesign1]Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - GARLICand CATS / Fleas Satin....Not sure where your data comes from , perhaps you or someone you know has had a rare experience, but , garlic is not toxic to cats if given the right dosage per weight....Mary O Mary - my info comes from research, veterinarians, and I found the info below in about 10 minutes online from a variety of sources. Garlic really can kill your cat OR dog, and extended, regular use is the worst. Cats, being obligate carnivores, are more susceptible than dogs, but individual responses are indeed wide and varied. I've excerpted articles I found into this email, but have put URL's where applicable. Onions are just as bad - anything from the Lily family is. This is easy to miss in cats, as they often, being creatures who sleep so much, don't evidence the extend of their anemia reaction. Then they die and people write it off to another cause. Have a great evening. Satin ************************************************************************************************************ http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1 & cat=1935 & articleid=2414 Onion and GarlicJennifer Prince, DVMVeterinary Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc. Toxin S-methylcysteine sulfoxide, n-propyl disulfide, methyl disulfide, allyl disulfide Source Onion or garlic (Allium spp.) including those that are fresh as well as those dried for use as spices. General Information Garlic and onion are used as flavor enhancers in food. Since the toxic amount is unknown, it is recommended not to add it to your pet's food. Many human baby foods have onion in them, and it is not recommended to feed them to pets. In dogs and cats, these ingredients can cause Heinz body anemia, resulting in a breakdown of the red blood cells and anemia. The bulbs, bulbets, flowers, and stems of the garlic and onion are all poisonous. Toxic Dose Unknown. Cats appear to be more sensitive than dogs. Signs Vomiting, diarrhea, anemia, discolored urine, weakness, liver damage, allergic reactions, asthmatic attacks, and in case of skin exposure, contact dermatitis. Immediate Action Induce vomiting and seek veterinary attention. If dermal (skin) exposure, bathe thoroughly and contact a veterinarian. Veterinary Care General treatment: The induction of vomiting may be continued, gastric lavage is performed, and activated charcoal administered, if ingested. If dermal exposure has occurred, the animal will be bathed and dried thoroughly. Supportive treatment: IV fluids are administered to maintain hydration. The animal will be monitored and treated for liver damage. Repeated blood tests will be performed to monitor for anemia; blood transfusions will be administered if necessary. Specific treatment: Unavailable. Prognosis Variable. ************************************************************************************************************ http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/garlic.php The use of garlic and other members of the Lily family such as onions, shallots, and chives in the cat's diet is not advised. Ingestion of these plants in a raw, cooked, or dried form can lead to damage of the red blood cells, which are rejected by the body from the bloodstream, and a continued use of garlic or onions can eventually result in hemolytic anemia. If the anemia is not controlled by discontinuing the use of the plants, it can potentially lead to death. Less significant but important is that raw garlic and onions irritate the mouth, esophagus, and stomach and can cause or exacerbate ulcers. "An alkaloid, N-propyl disulphide, present in both cultivated and wild onions, chives, and garlic, affects the enzyme, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase, in red blood cells that interferes with the hexose monophosphate pathway. Oxidation of hemoglobin results because there is either insufficient phosphate dehydrogenase or glutathione to protect the red blood cells from oxidative injury. The resulting formation of Heinz bodies within erythrocytes is characteristic of onion poisoning. (...)" Marielle Gomez-Kaifer, PhD, Department of Chemistry, University of Miami ************************************************************************************************************ http://www.care2.com/channels/solutions/pets/816 According to Dr. Randy Kidd, the use of garlic, as well as onions, shallots, and chives, has been shown to cause damage to feline red blood cells which can result in hemolytic anemia and eventual death. Raw garlic and onions can also cause ulcers and irritation of the mouth, esophagus and stomach. His recommendation: avoid giving garlic and onions to your cat! ************************************************************************************************************ "All You ever Wanted to Know about Herbs for Pets" it states the following: "Although toxic side effects from consumption of garlic are rare in animals and humans alike, the possibility of harming your dog, cat, or herbivore with garlic does exist, and there is growing controversy about how much garlic is enough and how much is too much. ---------- When misused (used excessively or over an extended period), garlic may cause Heinz-body anemia, a potentially life-threatening blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 -----Original Message For your info, there are allopathic doctors in the Vet field as well as the human MD field. :-) Oh, I know. My vet is an herbalist, master homeopath, master acupuncturist and even uses the stuff I make from time to time. He was very happy when I switched to feeding raw and making my own cat food. Keep researching. I always do. :-) Satin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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