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My naturepath has learned that chocolate really suppressed the thyroid, so I would imagine this could be part of the problem. It is for me!

 

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Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:08 PM

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I work for a health insurance company and I am really shocked at how many people are being treated for hypothyroidism in America. I was just wondering if anyone (maybe the Doc?) knows why this seems to be such an epidemic or if it is one at all...and if it is, how come we don't hear more about it? It can't be normal that so many people have an under active thyroid, can it?

And are there natural ways to treat or maybe even cure it?

Thanks!

Ally

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This is a good question because my mother was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and I am looking for a natural way to help regulate her thyroid. I would love this information also!Veronica

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THE FORMER PANTHER PISS RECIPE NOW RENAMED BODY BALANCE+ (MORE POLITICALLY CORRECT - LOL - BUT BORING) HAS BLACK WALNUT HULL IN IT TO HELP SUPPORT THE THYROID GLAND.

 

THE OTHER MINERALS IN IT ARE ALSO HELPFUL FOR THE THYROID.

 

BLACK STRAP MOLLASSES, WHICH IS IN THE FORMULA, IS THE BEST NATURAL SOURCE FOR ORGANIC IRON AS WELL. ALSO VERY HIGH IN POTASSIUM.

 

VALORIE

 

 

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Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:34 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

This is a good question because my mother was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and I am looking for a natural way to help regulate her thyroid. I would love this information also!Veronica

 

 

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One of my health magazines had an article about the rise in

hypothyroidism cases in the US.

 

One theory was fluoride.

 

What is the reasoning behind fluoride other than to prevent

cavaties? States that do not fluorinate their water source have no

more cavaties than states who do according to studies.

 

Cindy

 

 

 

herbal remedies , <allysgroups wrote:

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> I work for a health insurance company and I am really shocked at

how many people are being treated for hypothyroidism in America. I

was just wondering if anyone (maybe the Doc?) knows why this seems

to be such an epidemic or if it is one at all...and if it is, how

come we don't hear more about it? It can't be normal that so many

people have an under active thyroid, can it?

> And are there natural ways to treat or maybe even cure it?

> Thanks!

> Ally

>

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herbal remedies , <allysgroups wrote:

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> I work for a health insurance company and I am really shocked at how

many people are being treated for hypothyroidism in America. I was

just wondering if anyone (maybe the Doc?) knows why this seems to be

such an epidemic or if it is one at all...and if it is, how come we

don't hear more about it? It can't be normal that so many people have

an under active thyroid, can it?

> And are there natural ways to treat or maybe even cure it?

> Thanks!

> Ally

>

Dear Ally , consider the SAD ( standard american diet) full of excess

hormones, steroids, and anti-biotics...forcing the body to have to

process this junk. In turn this compromises the ability thyroid.

Order Doc's FREE CD and it will give you the answers you need.

Contact me for the CD.

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###What is the reasoning behind fluoride other than to prevent cavities? States that do not fluorinate their water source have no more cavities than states who do according to studies. Cindy ###

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No one ever said there has to be reasoning behind something like whether or not we have fluoride in our water or not. It's just one of those things that happens. You can choose not to drink the water, some people even put traps on their showers, tubs and sinks (available at the hardware store) I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was younger and it is a completely "catch all" diagnosis. Doctors just use it to get payment from the insurance companies. In my humble opinion, Doctors are out of control, we need to take responsibility for our own health and heal ourselves.

Love and blessings,

Micki

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In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:22:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, micki_ writes:

 

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was younger and it is a completely "catch all" diagnosis. Doctors just use it to get payment from the insurance companies. In my humble opinion, Doctors are out of control, we need to take responsibility for our own health and heal ourselves.

Love and blessings,

Micki

 

Micki,

 

Have you been able to overcome it thru the years?

 

Edith

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### Micki, Have you been able to overcome it thru the years?Edith ###

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Edith, I was misdiagnosed and did extensive research and found out that doctors often use hypothyroidism as a catch all diagnosis so they can get paid by the insurance companies. Sad but true. I was in my 20's and skinny. I ate like a linebacker and never gained weight. My thyroid was most definitely not underactive. It was a very revealing time in my life and gave me a difinite distrust of doctors. Diet can play a major role in this ailment and by cleansing and cleaning up your food choices you can beat this. Love and many blessings to you.

 

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I have to comment on the fluoride issue.

The reason it is in our water is that the corporation who has fluoride as a byproduct and would have to pay millions to dispose of it properly as a toxic waste has convinced people that it is good.

So instead of paying millions to dispose of it, they sell it to cities as a health aid to add to the city water supply.

 

Go figure how people fall for this.

 

Valorie

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727-447-5282

 

 

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Friday, August 11, 2006 8:13 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

 

###What is the reasoning behind fluoride other than to prevent cavities? States that do not fluorinate their water source have no more cavities than states who do according to studies. Cindy ###

_______________________________

 

No one ever said there has to be reasoning behind something like whether or not we have fluoride in our water or not. It's just one of those things that happens. You can choose not to drink the water, some people even put traps on their showers, tubs and sinks (available at the hardware store) I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was younger and it is a completely "catch all" diagnosis. Doctors just use it to get payment from the insurance companies. In my humble opinion, Doctors are out of control, we need to take responsibility for our own health and heal ourselves.

Love and blessings,

Micki

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LMAO: Valerie, I am a chemist and I use to work in the metal finishing industry. Many places have issues disposing of flourides. It is so bad in some areas that the incoming water has 3 ppm flouride and the amount allowed to dump is 1 ppm.Valorie Shillington <ValorieShillington wrote: I have to comment on the fluoride issue. The reason it is in our water is that the corporation who has fluoride as a

byproduct and would have to pay millions to dispose of it properly as a toxic waste has convinced people that it is good. So instead of paying millions to dispose of it, they sell it to cities as a health aid to add to the city water supply. Go figure how people fall for this. Valorie OrganicSolutionsStore.com 727-447-5282 - Micki herbal remedies Friday, August 11, 2006 8:13 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: Question about Hypothyroidism ###What is the reasoning behind fluoride other than to prevent cavities? States that do not fluorinate their water source have no more cavities than states who do according to studies. Cindy ### _______________________________ No one ever said there has to be reasoning behind something like whether or not we have fluoride in our water or not. It's just one of those things that

happens. You can choose not to drink the water, some people even put traps on their showers, tubs and sinks (available at the hardware store) I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was younger and it is a completely "catch all" diagnosis. Doctors just use it to get payment from the insurance companies. In my humble opinion, Doctors are out of control, we need to take responsibility for our own health and heal ourselves. Love and blessings, Micki

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Here we have been told the teeth would rot without it being in our water, but it seems more kids have teeth problems now adays.........we have well water here.

On 8/16/06, Valorie Shillington <ValorieShillington wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to comment on the fluoride issue.

The reason it is in our water is that the corporation who has fluoride as a byproduct and would have to pay millions to dispose of it properly as a toxic waste has convinced people that it is good.

 

So instead of paying millions to dispose of it, they sell it to cities as a health aid to add to the city water supply.

 

Go figure how people fall for this.

 

Valorie

OrganicSolutionsStore.com

727-447-5282

 

 

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Micki

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Friday, August 11, 2006 8:13 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

 

###What is the reasoning behind fluoride other than to prevent cavities? States that do not fluorinate their water source have no more cavities than states who do according to studies. Cindy ###

 

_______________________________

 

No one ever said there has to be reasoning behind something like whether or not we have fluoride in our water or not. It's just one of those things that happens. You can choose not to drink the water, some people even put traps on their showers, tubs and sinks (available at the hardware store) I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was younger and it is a completely " catch all " diagnosis. Doctors just use it to get payment from the insurance companies. In my humble opinion, Doctors are out of control, we need to take responsibility for our own health and heal ourselves.

 

Love and blessings,

Micki

 

 

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Yes! And the dentists want to put it on our kids' teeth!!! We opt out of that!

 

Anna

 

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:18 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

 

I have to comment on the fluoride issue.

The reason it is in our water is that the corporation who has fluoride as a byproduct and would have to pay millions to dispose of it properly as a toxic waste has convinced people that it is good.

So instead of paying millions to dispose of it, they sell it to cities as a health aid to add to the city water supply.

 

Go figure how people fall for this.

 

Valorie

OrganicSolutionsStore.com

727-447-5282

 

 

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Micki

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Friday, August 11, 2006 8:13 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

 

###What is the reasoning behind fluoride other than to prevent cavities? States that do not fluorinate their water source have no more cavities than states who do according to studies. Cindy ###

_______________________________

 

No one ever said there has to be reasoning behind something like whether or not we have fluoride in our water or not. It's just one of those things that happens. You can choose not to drink the water, some people even put traps on their showers, tubs and sinks (available at the hardware store) I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was younger and it is a completely "catch all" diagnosis. Doctors just use it to get payment from the insurance companies. In my humble opinion, Doctors are out of control, we need to take responsibility for our own health and heal ourselves.

Love and blessings,

Micki

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In a message dated 8/12/2006 8:48:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ejohns9525 writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:22:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, micki_ (AT) charter (DOT) net writes:

 

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was younger and it is a completely "catch all" diagnosis. Doctors just use it to get payment from the insurance companies. In my humble opinion, Doctors are out of control, we need to take responsibility for our own health and heal ourselves.

Love and blessings,

Micki

 

Micki,

 

Have you been able to overcome it thru the years?

 

Edith

 

I aid people all the time in overcoming any thyroid problems by a combination of natural healing, herbalism, and chiropractic care. Thyroid problems are most definately beatable and healable.

 

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If you have low thyroid, try the following: Kelp tablets and if you live in an area that has a sushi bar, eat sushi a few times a week (salmon roll, tuna roll or california roll). The seaweed in the sushi rolls will help.

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My daughter has a hypothyroid and her thyroid is completely dead. She is on

Synthroid for it and her TSH levels are now at a good level, the only thing is,

she is very tired after she eats. She read that the Synthroid may not provide

everything that the underactive thyroid needs. Do any of you know of anything

she could add that would give her energy and not be so tired all of the time?

She also read that she should be taking a Vitamin B Comlpex if taking Synthroid.

Any help would be appreciated much. She is almost 18 and is a senior in High

School and right now she is first in her class. So she does not need to be so

tired all of the time.

 

Thanks,

Lisa

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Hi Thyroxine (the naturally produced human thryroid hormone is compossed of

four distinct " forms " T1,T2,T3 and T4. All of them are necessary for proper

metabolic functioning but T3 is the most active form and the most abundant

in the cells. Syntrhoid is T4 an " inactive " form. If your doaughter lacks

the ability to convert T4 into T3 her TSH and T4 levels may be ok but she

would not be well.

Check her body temperature following Dr. Broda Barnes method and also her

iodine uptake and you'll know if her metabolic rate is up to par. If you

prefer the medical tests. the TSH needs to be between 2.0 and 4.0. The other

important values are Free T3 and Free T4. Total T's are unimportant but many

physicians still prescribe based on total T's. You want to have the Free (or

availbale forms) in the middle of the scale indicating good conversion

rates.

The other factor you need to consider is the presence of antibody formation

in the thyroid. Has your MD check for R(reverse autoimmune forms) High

values are undesirable.

Barnes test. Before bedtime set up a thermometer, shake it down and place it

next to bed. Have a clock visibly available. Upon waking up and without

making any movement, place the thermometer in your armpit for ten minutes.

If you get up in bed or make any movement at all the test is invalid and

you'll have to wait until next morning..DO NOT MOVE while performing the

test.Do not even breath too hard. When handling the thermometer use slow and

minimal movements. Know where your thermometer is! At the end of the ten

minutes register the temperature. Repeat the test for five consecutive days.

Any reading below 97.6 indicates low metabolism. Ideally you want to be in

the 98+ range.

Iodine uptake. Obtain iodine in the opharmacy and smear a 2 inch squre (2

inchx 1 inch) in the inside of your arm right after taking a shower. make

sure the site is dry. Record the time.Watch it every hour and notice at what

point in time it fades away so that the area does not look any different

than the other arm. If you go into the night with the stain still visible

and the following morning is gone, reprat the test in the other arm before

you go to bed.

If the stain fades under 20 hours you may need supplementation. The less it

lasts the more supplementation.

There are supplemnts prepared to help in both the absortion and the

conversion.

Regards

frank

 

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Friday, October 13, 2006 7:37 PM

Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

> My daughter has a hypothyroid and her thyroid is completely dead. She is

> on Synthroid for it and her TSH levels are now at a good level, the only

> thing is, she is very tired after she eats. She read that the Synthroid

> may not provide everything that the underactive thyroid needs. Do any of

> you know of anything she could add that would give her energy and not be

> so tired all of the time? She also read that she should be taking a

> Vitamin B Comlpex if taking Synthroid. Any help would be appreciated much.

> She is almost 18 and is a senior in High School and right now she is first

> in her class. So she does not need to be so tired all of the time.

>

> Thanks,

> Lisa

>

>

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Hi Lisa:

 

Check out the website www.stopthethyroidmadness.com. There's a lot

of good information on it. Undiagnosed hypothyroidism & Synthroid do

have their share of problems. I went thru it with my father-in-law.

Synthroid is a " synthetic " thyroid molecule. It's not bioidentical.

It also only contains T4. The body makes, and uses, T4, T3, T2, &

T1, among other things.

 

There are also a lot of other factors to look at in determining

thyroid health, other than TSH. Has the doctor ever done tests for

free T4, free T3 & thyroid antibody levels? How about her iron,

ferritin, selenium, B12, magnesium, zinc, iodine, progesterone &

pregnesolone levels? All of those are involved in converting the

inactive T4 into T3 the body can use or in cortisol production,

which is critical to thyroid function.

 

Many doctors are not well-versed in taking a whole-body look at

thyroid function and tend to just focus simplistically on TSH

results. If this one doesn't use a whole-body approach, including

listening to a patient's symptoms to determine if a particular

therapy is working, you might need to look for another.

 

Has she ever had a cortisol saliva-test? Adrenal fatigue/exhaustion

can play a major role in thyroid problems. Trying to fix thyroid

levels without adressing adrenal problems will often leave one with

serum levels that look improved, but hypothyroid symptoms that

continue. You want to get a 4x/day saliva test done, not just the

one that looks at cortisol once.

 

When the adrenal gland is fatigued, levels can vary during the day.

One might be very low in the a.m., but high in the evening. Or high

in the morning, but then have levels drop too low during the rest of

the day. A struggling adrenal may put out high levels all day in an

attempt to keep the body going when thyroid is low. It's important

to see the whole daily picture. There's a good section on adrenals

at the above website.

 

There's are also called NaturalThyroidHormone,

NaturalThyroidHormoneADRENALS & Iodine that you may wish to

investigate for more information on hypothyroidism & its treatment.

 

I hope your daughter feels better soon.

_________________________

 

> My daughter has a hypothyroid and her thyroid is completely dead.

She is on Synthroid for it and her TSH levels are now at a good

level, the only thing is, she is very tired after she eats. She read

that the Synthroid may not provide everything that the underactive

thyroid needs. Do any of you know of anything she could add that

would give her energy and not be so tired all of the time? She also

read that she should be taking a Vitamin B Comlpex if taking

Synthroid. Any help would be appreciated much. She is almost 18 and

is a senior in High School and right now she is first in her class.

So she does not need to be so tired all of the time.

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Hi Lisa and sorry Frank to contradict but the iodine test means

absolutely nothing and does not indicate anything and personally I

would not put on iodine when I was taking medication for thyroid

anyway.

 

Try the broda barnes temp check, this is a good indication of what is

going on but if your daughter is on medication and only has slight

tiredness then things are going well for her. She needs to get her

adrenals checked, this is a major problem for most people with hypoT

and for anyone who has not been diagnosed very quickly, it is even

more of a problem.

 

Perhaps you should look at her diet and see if she is having too many

starchy carbs, this will make anyone tired - she must have a good low

GI/GL diet to keep those blood sugar levels even and not swinging

from low to high and back down again.

 

TSH can and should be lower than 2, if you live in the USA, they

diagnose hypoT if your TSH is 3 or above, it has to be almost hitting

10 in the UK or they call you 'borderline' - my TSH because I am on

armour thyroid is 0.01, suppressed due to the medication. She should

have T4, T3 and TSH bloods taken, if there is then an anomaly in her

reading they will then check for any reverse T3 (which incidentally

causes tiredness)she should also have an antibodies check. There can

be a number of reasons for your daughter feeling slightly lethargic

or tired but it sounds as if she is on the right road and there is

only a little tweaking necessary to ensure that she does not have the

after meal slump - believe me she is very lucky, if I have go out for

the day just enjoying myself and doing a little walking, it takes me

up to 48 hours to recover, if I do housework (which I could not even

think about for 1 year) then it is work for 15 minutes, rest for 30

minutes at least.

 

Good luck and I hope your daughter continues to make good progress,

hypoT unfortunately is for life, she must ensure that as soon as

things are not quite as they should be, she checks to see if she is

doing all she can and if so, that she gets her bloods tested to

ensure that she is still at optimum levels of medication.

 

Supplements that will assist are vit C (2 or 3 grams), flax seed

oil, St Johns Wort or Valerian to aid with any depression and a good

multi vitamin and mineral to cover everything that needs replenishing.

 

Luv Marianne

 

> Hi Thyroxine (the naturally produced human thryroid hormone is

compossed of

> four distinct " forms " T1,T2,T3 and T4. All of them are necessary

for proper

> metabolic functioning but T3 is the most active form and the most

abundant

> in the cells. Syntrhoid is T4 an " inactive " form. If your doaughter

lacks

> the ability to convert T4 into T3 her TSH and T4 levels may be ok

but she

> would not be well.

> Check her body temperature following Dr. Broda Barnes method and

also her

> iodine uptake and you'll know if her metabolic rate is up to par.

If you

> prefer the medical tests. the TSH needs to be between 2.0 and 4.0.

The other

> important values are Free T3 and Free T4. Total T's are unimportant

but many

> physicians still prescribe based on total T's. You want to have the

Free (or

> availbale forms) in the middle of the scale indicating good

conversion

> rates.

> The other factor you need to consider is the presence of antibody

formation

> in the thyroid. Has your MD check for R(reverse autoimmune forms)

High

> values are undesirable.

> Barnes test. Before bedtime set up a thermometer, shake it down and

place it

> next to bed. Have a clock visibly available. Upon waking up and

without

> making any movement, place the thermometer in your armpit for ten

minutes.

> If you get up in bed or make any movement at all the test is

invalid and

> you'll have to wait until next morning..DO NOT MOVE while

performing the

> test.Do not even breath too hard. When handling the thermometer use

slow and

> minimal movements. Know where your thermometer is! At the end of

the ten

> minutes register the temperature. Repeat the test for five

consecutive days.

> Any reading below 97.6 indicates low metabolism. Ideally you want

to be in

> the 98+ range.

> Iodine uptake. Obtain iodine in the opharmacy and smear a 2 inch

squre (2

> inchx 1 inch) in the inside of your arm right after taking a

shower. make

> sure the site is dry. Record the time.Watch it every hour and

notice at what

> point in time it fades away so that the area does not look any

different

> than the other arm. If you go into the night with the stain still

visible

> and the following morning is gone, reprat the test in the other arm

before

> you go to bed.

> If the stain fades under 20 hours you may need supplementation. The

less it

> lasts the more supplementation.

> There are supplemnts prepared to help in both the absortion and the

> conversion.

> Regards

> frank

>

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I agree with everything jtb said.

 

A previous poster said TSH needs to be 2.0-4.0, which is not the

standard. For diagnosis, the current standard is TSH of >2.0 &

symptomatic, or low T4 or T3 indicates hypothyroid.

 

You mentioned that your daughter's thyroid is essentially dead, which

tells me she probably has autoimmune Hashimoto's (or maybe Graves with

RAI). If her thyroid disease is autoimmune in nature, or if she

has/had multi-nodular goiter or thyroid cancer, it is typical to treat

by symptoms and allow a suppressed TSH.

 

Many doctors are not aware of this and continue to make their patients

suffer with a " normal " TSH. Obviously, since her thyroid is dead, it

is not normal, so to compare it with the normal TSH range is like

comparing apples & oranges.

 

Some references for you...

 

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1125169

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstra\

ctPlus & list_uids=14713273 & query_hl=19 & itool=pubmed_docsum

 

And this page has lots of TSH references:

 

http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/tsh/tshmedrefs6.php

 

Andrea

 

, " jtb14789 "

<jtb14789 wrote:

>

 

> There are also a lot of other factors to look at in determining

> thyroid health, other than TSH. Has the doctor ever done tests for

> free T4, free T3 & thyroid antibody levels? How about her iron,

> ferritin, selenium, B12, magnesium, zinc, iodine, progesterone &

> pregnesolone levels? All of those are involved in converting the

> inactive T4 into T3 the body can use or in cortisol production,

> which is critical to thyroid function.

>

> Many doctors are not well-versed in taking a whole-body look at

> thyroid function and tend to just focus simplistically on TSH

> results.

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A good set of B complex vitamins are good to take, a regular multi-

vitamin, Selenium 200mcgs per day is important, and zinc 30mcgs per

day is also important.

 

She may need more than just Synthroid. I started out on Synthroid

and I felt good for a short period, but then I switched to another

brand " unithroid " and I liked that one much better, but it was the

addition of " Cytomel " , a t3 thyroid med that gave me my energy back

and helped get rid of aches/brain fog.

 

She may possibly need to add a bit of Cytomel, or cut back on

Synthroid then add Cytomel. It all takes a lot of tweaking and a

patient doctor that LISTENS. If the doc says " oh your labs are fine "

and an 18 year old girl is tired and unenergetic, then their

statement makes no sense, the girl is not fine, 18 year old should

have abundances of energy! Then you need a new doctor if that were

the case.

 

She also needs to cut out sugar out of her diet period, starches,

and start really eating lots of good proteins/veggies and olive oils

and virgin coconut oils. She needs to take her meds no where near

any iron supplments (within four hours) or calcium or food (for at

least an hour) and at the same time every day. Synthetic sweetners

like from diet soda need to stop. Also low blood sugar/diabetes can

go along with thyroid stuff, so she really has to get ahold of the

eating well. Some people (like I used to) don't eat enough and still

gain from it, so people with thyroid problems need to eat

appropriately and a good diet would be to eat every 3 hours, very

small meals.

 

I would also get her iron and ferritin checked (iron stores) if

those are low, then it really can make one super tired. Doctors tend

to tell a person they're okay when their in the bottom range of the

lab #'s. Some chelated iron can help. Low iron really mimicks

thyroid stuff and can go hand and hand.

 

#1 thing that's going to make her feel better is the right

combination/dosage of medications. She may need for instance (just

an example of what I took before) was 62.5 mcgs of Unithroid T4, and

1.25mcgs of t3 (Cytomel),,it really does take some tweakin to find

that perfect dose and lots of labs

 

#2 thing that's going to make her well is her eating

habits/health/diet.

 

 

 

 

, Lisa Hughes

<terrylabontefan1989 wrote:

>

> My daughter has a hypothyroid and her thyroid is completely dead.

She is on Synthroid for it and her TSH levels are now at a good

level, the only thing is, she is very tired after she eats. She read

that the Synthroid may not provide everything that the underactive

thyroid needs. Do any of you know of anything she could add that

would give her energy and not be so tired all of the time? She also

read that she should be taking a Vitamin B Comlpex if taking

Synthroid. Any help would be appreciated much. She is almost 18 and

is a senior in High School and right now she is first in her class.

So she does not need to be so tired all of the time.

>

> Thanks,

> Lisa

>

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Hi list I will defend the 2-4 TSH value based on clinical experience. I know

that diverse medical labs have developed values based on what is common as low

as 0.4. I object to medical labs dictating what is normal based on observations

of what is common. Medical labs are linked to the medical insurance industry and

the wider the ranges the fewer " sick " patients. There is a body of conditions

known as subclinical where patients are told by their MD " is nothing wrong with

you " but the person knows otherwise and seek care elsewhere. That is one of the

reasons why alternative medicine is thriving.

Regards

Frank ND

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angesc2001

Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:53 PM

Re: Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

I agree with everything jtb said.

 

A previous poster said TSH needs to be 2.0-4.0, which is not the

standard. For diagnosis, the current standard is TSH of >2.0 &

symptomatic, or low T4 or T3 indicates hypothyroid.

 

You mentioned that your daughter's thyroid is essentially dead, which

tells me she probably has autoimmune Hashimoto's (or maybe Graves with

RAI). If her thyroid disease is autoimmune in nature, or if she

has/had multi-nodular goiter or thyroid cancer, it is typical to treat

by symptoms and allow a suppressed TSH.

 

Many doctors are not aware of this and continue to make their patients

suffer with a " normal " TSH. Obviously, since her thyroid is dead, it

is not normal, so to compare it with the normal TSH range is like

comparing apples & oranges.

 

Some references for you...

 

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1125169

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstra\

ctPlus & list_uids=14713273 & query_hl=19 & itool=pubmed_docsum

 

And this page has lots of TSH references:

 

http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/tsh/tshmedrefs6.php

 

Andrea

 

, " jtb14789 "

<jtb14789 wrote:

>

 

> There are also a lot of other factors to look at in determining

> thyroid health, other than TSH. Has the doctor ever done tests for

> free T4, free T3 & thyroid antibody levels? How about her iron,

> ferritin, selenium, B12, magnesium, zinc, iodine, progesterone &

> pregnesolone levels? All of those are involved in converting the

> inactive T4 into T3 the body can use or in cortisol production,

> which is critical to thyroid function.

>

> Many doctors are not well-versed in taking a whole-body look at

> thyroid function and tend to just focus simplistically on TSH

> results.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi, Frank,

 

I certain agree wholeheartedly with your statement about medical labs

determining " normal " especially if there are some " silent

sub-clinicals " throwing off the range on either end.

 

However, would you treat a patient who is symptomatic, yet has a TSH

somewhere between 2-4? And what about free T3 & free T4? And

antibodies? Are you factoring those in to your diagnoses?

 

Perhaps I misunderstood & you are saying that you feel that 2.0-4.0 is

hypothyroid?

 

As a " sub-clinical " Hashimoto's patient who suffered horribly for over

10 years before FINALLY being diagnosed with a TSH of 2.92, I can say

that for me, the TSH was NOT a good indicator of my thyroid health.

 

When I was diagnosed, I had the full complement of hypothyroid

symptoms, and then some. I was taking two naps a day, my body ached,

I was miserably depressed, felt like jumping out of my own skin, had

no sex drive whatsoever at age 37, and I couldn't remember my own

phone number. These are just a few symptoms from the laundry list.

Imagine trying to raise two school-aged children and maintain a

marriage like this. And run a consulting business.

 

Needless to say, I was not the only victim of the almighty TSH. To

this day, I have to live with the guilt of what my children had to go

through because my bloodwork was " normal. "

 

In 1996, after a miscarriage, my TSH was " normal " at 2.0. Way back in

1993, when I was pregnant with my first child, my T4 was not even

mid-range, so my complaints back then that I didn't feel well were

valid. But again, I was normal.

 

After starting Armour in 2004, I felt " normal " for the first time in I

don't know how many years. It was so amazing that I couldn't really

pinpoint that last time that I had felt good. Considering how far

medicine has advanced, it's pretty pathetic that I and so many others

like me should have suffered for so long.

 

All I can say to potential thyroid patients out in the world is,

educate yourself about your condition and NEVER see a doctor who looks

only at TSH!

 

 

 

, <fcunsrial wrote:

>

> Hi list I will defend the 2-4 TSH value based on clinical

experience. I know that diverse medical labs have developed values

based on what is common as low as 0.4. I object to medical labs

dictating what is normal based on observations of what is common.

Medical labs are linked to the medical insurance industry and the

wider the ranges the fewer " sick " patients. There is a body of

conditions known as subclinical where patients are told by their MD

" is nothing wrong with you " but the person knows otherwise and seek

care elsewhere. That is one of the reasons why alternative medicine is

thriving.

> Regards

> Frank ND

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Hi List,

I never said that TSH was the whole thing. Far from it. I agree with you that

free t3/t4/rt etc are important elements to the total picture. More so when the

adrenal glanda are found compromissed. What I took exception to was to the

statemnt that a TSH lower than 1. was considered OK by someone.

THS is not moe than a signal carrier from the pituitary to the thyroid. It

reacts based on T4 blood contents which represents 95% of all thyroxine. If one

fails to convert to t3, THS will not tell the story. If one fails to attach to

receptors in the cell wall TSH will not tell the story In the presence of RT and

automimune bodies TSH does not tell the story eiither. However a lower than 2.0

TSH value forebodes trouble. Whether the trouble resides in an calcified

pituitary, a sluggish thyroid a poor conversion, etc is another matter.

Low TSH levles set the thyroid at ease and this occurs often with levels of Ft4

totally out of whack. One needs to look at the whole picture INCLUDING

functional tests such as Iodine uptake and Barnes and other symptoms to come up

with a " working framework to restoration "

regards

Frank ND

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angesc2001

Monday, October 16, 2006 5:11 PM

Re: Question about Hypothyroidism

 

 

Hi, Frank,

 

I certain agree wholeheartedly with your statement about medical labs

determining " normal " especially if there are some " silent

sub-clinicals " throwing off the range on either end.

 

However, would you treat a patient who is symptomatic, yet has a TSH

somewhere between 2-4? And what about free T3 & free T4? And

antibodies? Are you factoring those in to your diagnoses?

 

Perhaps I misunderstood & you are saying that you feel that 2.0-4.0 is

hypothyroid?

 

As a " sub-clinical " Hashimoto's patient who suffered horribly for over

10 years before FINALLY being diagnosed with a TSH of 2.92, I can say

that for me, the TSH was NOT a good indicator of my thyroid health.

 

When I was diagnosed, I had the full complement of hypothyroid

symptoms, and then some. I was taking two naps a day, my body ached,

I was miserably depressed, felt like jumping out of my own skin, had

no sex drive whatsoever at age 37, and I couldn't remember my own

phone number. These are just a few symptoms from the laundry list.

Imagine trying to raise two school-aged children and maintain a

marriage like this. And run a consulting business.

 

Needless to say, I was not the only victim of the almighty TSH. To

this day, I have to live with the guilt of what my children had to go

through because my bloodwork was " normal. "

 

In 1996, after a miscarriage, my TSH was " normal " at 2.0. Way back in

1993, when I was pregnant with my first child, my T4 was not even

mid-range, so my complaints back then that I didn't feel well were

valid. But again, I was normal.

 

After starting Armour in 2004, I felt " normal " for the first time in I

don't know how many years. It was so amazing that I couldn't really

pinpoint that last time that I had felt good. Considering how far

medicine has advanced, it's pretty pathetic that I and so many others

like me should have suffered for so long.

 

All I can say to potential thyroid patients out in the world is,

educate yourself about your condition and NEVER see a doctor who looks

only at TSH!

 

, <fcunsrial wrote:

>

> Hi list I will defend the 2-4 TSH value based on clinical

experience. I know that diverse medical labs have developed values

based on what is common as low as 0.4. I object to medical labs

dictating what is normal based on observations of what is common.

Medical labs are linked to the medical insurance industry and the

wider the ranges the fewer " sick " patients. There is a body of

conditions known as subclinical where patients are told by their MD

" is nothing wrong with you " but the person knows otherwise and seek

care elsewhere. That is one of the reasons why alternative medicine is

thriving.

> Regards

> Frank ND

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OK, Frank, since you're looking at all of the important factors, I'll

put down my sword. : )

 

The PROBLEM is that a shocking number of drs out there, including

endocrinologists, look ONLY at the TSH, and absolutely NO further, and

give people either the " well, you're 42 now, and so you will start

gaining weight " rap (a quote from my friend's dr when she was

complaining about myriad hypo symptoms when her TSH was 2.5 - mind you

she had RAI for Graves & has no functioning thyroid tissue & gained 15

lbs in two months, whereas prior she had been still able to wear

clothes from high school at 42.)

 

OR

 

" TSH should NEVER be below 1-1.5 on thyroid hormone replacement. " A

direct quote to me from an endocrinologist, even though I have

multi-nodular goiter AND my frees were in the tank AND I have Hashi's

AND I am taking Naturethroid AND my mother had thyroid had thyroid

cancer & we have a very extensive family history of thyroid issues.

 

OR

 

The pediatric endo who only looked at a fax of my daughter's bloodwork

and deemed her fine because her TSH is normal at 1.13, even though her

FT3 was BELOW range and FT4 is at the bottom of the range, AND she is

symptomatic and is having cognitive difficulties, making school &

homework problematic AND body temps around 96 AND he was apprised of a

family history, of which he wanted NO details.

 

And these are just examples from MY surroundings in the past TWO

MONTHS! Unfortunately, there are zillions more stories, just like mine.

 

So, you can imagine why we thyroid types get our dander up when TSH is

perceived to be viewed in a vacuum. Unfortunately, a dr such as

yourself who views the patient and situation holistically, rather than

just the TSH on the lab sheet, is not easy to come by.

 

Andrea

 

 

 

, <fcunsrial wrote:

>

> Hi List,

> I never said that TSH was the whole thing. Far from it. I agree with

you that free t3/t4/rt etc are important elements to the total

picture. More so when the adrenal glanda are found compromissed. What

I took exception to was to the statemnt that a TSH lower than 1. was

considered OK by someone.

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