Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hi everyone I have just joined and am looking for information from anyone who is familar with either of these products. I have symptomsof insulin resistance. thanks. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I was on Metformin for 3 days, then I started throwing up... I switched to fenugreek and an herbal mix called Glucose Balance...it contains Gymnema, American ginseng, bitter melon, fenugreek, green tea, milk thistle (good for the liver) and yacon... I take the mix twice a day before meals and the fenugreek whenever I eat or drink anything that might be 'bad'. I have been very happy with the results...(I was down-graded from full type II diabetes, to borderline) for more on bitter melon see (you can also get info on most of the other herbs here) http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_bitter_melon.htm Cynthia , " Mo Osborne " <hepaction wrote: > > Hi everyone > I have just joined and am looking for information from anyone who is > familar with either of these products. > I have symptomsof insulin resistance. > thanks. > > Mo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 In a message dated 09/10/2006 21:01:43 GMT Daylight Time, Alobar writes: Bitter mellon is not absorbed well thru the gut. There is a sub-lingual version of it called Gourdin which is available on line. I have been using Gourdin for about 5 years. I have not taken diabetic meds for about 5 years. Diet is crucial. Hi there Thanks for answering my plea for help. I am not actually diabetic but want to make sure I don't ever get to that point if I can. I did not know this about the absorption issue. Yikes! I suppose that means the sub-lingual one is more expensive? In am in England and I wonder if I can get it here. I am not at the position where I want to give up all grains really. Do you think that is absolutely essential in my situation? I don't buy bread and have rye cracker with boiled for breakfast and very occasional wholewheat pasta and brown rice. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Bitter mellon is not absorbed well thru the gut. There is a sub-lingual version of it called Gourdin which is available on line. I have been using Gourdin for about 5 years. I have not taken diabetic meds for about 5 years. Diet is crucial. The diet the docs want one to take is loaded with carbs which makes it impossible to maintain control without their meds. I strongly feel they know this. No bread or grains, whether they are high or low glycemic index. Beware of seasonings containing sugars. No starchy veggies like beans, rice, corn. No fruit except for low car fruit. Avocados are fine. Beware damaged fats. the docs push margarine, which is crap. Coconut oil and butter are far bettrer because crap fats worsten insulin resistance. Get plenty of omega 3 oils, plenty of vitamin D (I take a tabelspoon of cod liver oil daily), take sub-lingual B-12 daily, and take C to bowel tolerance, many times a day. Beta Carotene and nicain are not good for siabetics. Vitamin A is very good. I take 25,000 IU, twice a day. Folic acid is also helpful. I take 800 micrograms, twice a day. Although Niacin is not good for diabetics, Niacinamide can be taken in quantity. I take 1,000 mg before and after each meal, plus at bedtime. I feel Gourdin is good, but I do better when I add other diabetic supplements to it. The latest supplements I have added are Fenugreek and Gymnema Sylvestre. Acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, and Benfotiame all help greatly. I recerntly had to cut back on supplements because cash is tight and I am running out. When I was taking full supplements I was able to maintain 110 or better fasting blood glucose readings. Now it is is up to 131. So I sure feel the supplements work. Alobar On 10/9/06, Mo Osborne <hepaction wrote: > Hi everyone > I have just joined and am looking for information from anyone who is > familar with either of these products. > I have symptomsof insulin resistance. > thanks. > > Mo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 If you are not diabetic, taking gourdin once a day helps to revitalize cells of pancreas. For non-diabetics, moderate conplex carbs are usually recommended. Diabetics have to be more stringent in diet. Alobar On 10/9/06, hepaction <hepaction wrote: > > > In a message dated 09/10/2006 21:01:43 GMT Daylight Time, Alobar > writes: > > Bitter mellon is not absorbed well thru the gut. There is a > sub-lingual version of it called Gourdin which is available on line. > I have been using Gourdin for about 5 years. I have not taken > diabetic meds for about 5 years. Diet is crucial. > > > Hi there > Thanks for answering my plea for help. > I am not actually diabetic but want to make sure I don't ever get to that > point if I can. > I did not know this about the absorption issue. Yikes! I suppose that means > the sub-lingual one is more expensive? In am in England and I wonder if I can > get it here. > I am not at the position where I want to give up all grains really. Do you > think that is absolutely essential in my situation? > I don't buy bread and have rye cracker with boiled for breakfast and very > occasional wholewheat pasta and brown rice. > > Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Alobar, I have type 11 diabetes, I am not taking any meds for it, I do take Fenugreek, Gymenema, Milk Thistle, Colostrum and SOD. I am having a difficult time with diet though, I am vegan, so I eat no animal protein, it is hard to avoid carbs, I try to stick to low glycemic carbs, but even then I think I get too much. Any suggestions on diet would be very helpful. Thanks Nagla , Alobar <Alobar wrote: > > If you are not diabetic, taking gourdin once a day helps to revitalize > cells of pancreas. For non-diabetics, moderate conplex carbs are > usually recommended. Diabetics have to be more stringent in diet. > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 I would never recommend anyone be a vegetarian. Especially if one is diabetic. Low glycemic and high glycemic carbs all eventually become glucose in the blood. If one has cells which are insulin resistant, the blood glucose levels climb. I eat no grains normally. I have beans or rice several times a year, but not frequently. Insulin resistant seems to be related to what fats are available to make cell membranes. Several years ago I started taking 1 tablepoon of Cod liver oil and 1 tablepoon of flaxseed oil per day. I can now handle some carbs in my diet, but not edvery day or even every other day. No proof here, but it seems to me that Omega 3 oils in the diet have helped my cells be less insulin resistant. Alobar On 10/10/06, asccnagla <nagla_alvin wrote: > Alobar, > > I have type 11 diabetes, I am not taking any meds for it, I do take > Fenugreek, Gymenema, Milk Thistle, Colostrum and SOD. I am having a > difficult time with diet though, I am vegan, so I eat no animal > protein, it is hard to avoid carbs, I try to stick to low glycemic > carbs, but even then I think I get too much. Any suggestions on diet > would be very helpful. > Thanks > Nagla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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