Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 COMPLETE PROTEIN http://www.juiceguy.com/complete.shtml A complete protein is a single food that contains all eight of the essential amino acids. The myth is that we have to consume complete foods; that we can't take " incomplete " foods and be healthy. Now due to constant advertising, everybody knows that only meats are complete foods, and thus the question that everyone knows the answer to: " What's for dinner? " Well....it turns out that there are real foods (not as well known) that contain all eight of the essential amino acids, such as: Fruit: Bananas, Dates, tomatoes, Nuts: Almonds, Coconuts, Filberts, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts, Brazil nuts, Pecans, Vegetables: Alfalfa Sprouts, Bean Sprouts, Carrots, Eggplants, Sweet Potatoes, Broccoli, Cabbages, Okra & Squash In addition, the body has what is termed an amino acid pool in the blood and the liver that stores excess amino acids, both essential and nonessential, for use when needed. Thus you do not need to eat a complete food, nor a combination of foods at every meal. The Journal of Clinical Nutrition and the Medical Tribunal show that by age 65 meat eaters have DOUBLE the bone loss and deterioration of vegetarians. There is a definite correlation between high protein consumption and osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after you eat a high protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is awesome. In other words: IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING YOUR BONES DOWN THE TOILET ! When anything happens in this materialistic world of ours, it generally happens because of the $. Figure out who benefits from an event, and you understand the why behind: " XXXX builds strong bones and teeth " , and similar advertising. Speaking of advertising, See MEAT! _________________ JoAnn Guest mrsjoguest www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Genes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 thanks for this valuable information JoAnn - I have been seriously considering vegetarianism but was concerned about the protein issue. Much appreciated, Gloria (Switzerland) JoAnn Guest <angelprincessjo wrote: COMPLETE PROTEIN http://www.juiceguy.com/complete.shtml A complete protein is a single food that contains all eight of the essential amino acids. The myth is that we have to consume complete foods; that we can't take " incomplete " foods and be healthy. Now due to constant advertising, everybody knows that only meats are complete foods, and thus the question that everyone knows the answer to: " What's for dinner? " Well....it turns out that there are real foods (not as well known) that contain all eight of the essential amino acids, such as: Fruit: Bananas, Dates, tomatoes, Nuts: Almonds, Coconuts, Filberts, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts, Brazil nuts, Pecans, Vegetables: Alfalfa Sprouts, Bean Sprouts, Carrots, Eggplants, Sweet Potatoes, Broccoli, Cabbages, Okra & Squash In addition, the body has what is termed an amino acid pool in the blood and the liver that stores excess amino acids, both essential and nonessential, for use when needed. Thus you do not need to eat a complete food, nor a combination of foods at every meal. The Journal of Clinical Nutrition and the Medical Tribunal show that by age 65 meat eaters have DOUBLE the bone loss and deterioration of vegetarians. There is a definite correlation between high protein consumption and osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after you eat a high protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is awesome. In other words: IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING YOUR BONES DOWN THE TOILET ! When anything happens in this materialistic world of ours, it generally happens because of the $. Figure out who benefits from an event, and you understand the why behind: " XXXX builds strong bones and teeth " , and similar advertising. Speaking of advertising, See MEAT! _________________ JoAnn Guest mrsjoguest www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Genes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 , Gloria De Paola <gloriadepaola wrote: > > thanks for this valuable information JoAnn - I have been seriously considering vegetarianism but was concerned about the protein issue. > Much appreciated, > Gloria (Switzerland) > > JoAnn Guest <angelprincessjo wrote: > COMPLETE PROTEIN > http://www.juiceguy.com/complete.shtml > > A complete protein is a single food that contains all eight of the > essential amino acids. > > The myth is that we have to consume complete foods; that we can't > take " incomplete " foods and be healthy. > > Now due to constant advertising, everybody knows that only meats are > complete foods, and thus the question that everyone knows the answer > to: " What's for dinner? " > > Well....it turns out that there are real foods (not as well known) > that contain all eight of the essential amino acids, such as: > > Fruit: Bananas, Dates, tomatoes, > Nuts: Almonds, Coconuts, Filberts, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts, Brazil > nuts, Pecans, > Vegetables: Alfalfa Sprouts, Bean Sprouts, Carrots, Eggplants, Sweet > Potatoes, Broccoli, Cabbages, Okra & Squash > > In addition, the body has what is termed an amino acid pool in the > blood and the liver that stores excess amino acids, both essential > and nonessential, for use when needed. > > Thus you do not need to eat a complete food, nor a combination of > foods at every meal. > > The Journal of Clinical Nutrition and the Medical Tribunal show that > by age 65 meat eaters have DOUBLE the bone loss and deterioration of > vegetarians. > > There is a definite correlation between high protein consumption and > osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after you eat a high > protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is awesome. In other > words: > > IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING YOUR BONES DOWN > THE TOILET ! > > When anything happens in this materialistic world of ours, it > generally happens because of the $. Figure out who benefits from an > event, and you understand the why behind: " XXXX builds strong bones > and teeth " , and similar advertising. > Hi Gloria, You are entirely welcome. Actually perhaps you should thank the moderator as well. He posted it. :-) This man's site has little known but crucial information which I thought might be useful to someone. It seems that so much of that which we have at our disposal now is misguiding. It is refreshing to realize that there are other options than what the media chooses to put on our menu...at least those of us who choose to educate ourselves further can adjust our lifestyle accordingly. Switzerland....hmm...Thanks for reading my post. Greetings! we are from Michigan...assuming you know where that is.<LOL Blessings to you and yours! JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 I'd like to focus on the juice guy's comment: > There is a definite correlation between high protein consumption and > osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after you eat a high > protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is awesome. In other > words: > > IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING YOUR BONES DOWN THE > TOILET ! I guess scare tactics are OK if that's what it takes to sway the meat-and-potatoes crowd over to a more balanced diet, but again that comparison comes up between a high meat diet and whatever they're selling. How about comparing their offering to a balanced diet? Few salesmen do. Also, I think it's a contrivance to say all the amino acids are in whatever juice they're selling. Sure, they might be in there, but the amount, the ratio, are what we're interested in; trace amounts will leave us in deficiency. I understand that vegetarians are usually deficient in three amino acids. How much juice plus would you have to drink to get a gram of cysteine, which is only conditionally essential but like arginine we need kinda large amounts for health and to not become emaciated. These are available in animal products in large amounts; if you don't like meat, use undenatured whey. Whey contains a lot because growth and immune system robustness is impotant to suvivial of the species, and whey is a complete protein that does not result in much calcium loss. Sure, the juice is great, but balance is better Duncan Crow > > Posted by: " JoAnn Guest " angelprincessjo mrsjoguest > Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:16 pm (PDT) > > COMPLETE PROTEIN > http://www.juiceguy.com/complete.shtml > > A complete protein is a single food that contains all eight of the > essential amino acids. > > The myth is that we have to consume complete foods; that we can't take > " incomplete " foods and be healthy. > > Now due to constant advertising, everybody knows that only meats are > complete foods, and thus the question that everyone knows the answer > to: " What's for dinner? " > > Well....it turns out that there are real foods (not as well known) > that contain all eight of the essential amino acids, such as: > > Fruit: Bananas, Dates, tomatoes, > Nuts: Almonds, Coconuts, Filberts, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts, Brazil > nuts, Pecans, Vegetables: Alfalfa Sprouts, Bean Sprouts, Carrots, > Eggplants, Sweet Potatoes, Broccoli, Cabbages, Okra & Squash > > In addition, the body has what is termed an amino acid pool in the > blood and the liver that stores excess amino acids, both essential and > nonessential, for use when needed. > > Thus you do not need to eat a complete food, nor a combination of > foods at every meal. > > The Journal of Clinical Nutrition and the Medical Tribunal show that > by age 65 meat eaters have DOUBLE the bone loss and deterioration of > vegetarians. > > There is a definite correlation between high protein consumption and > osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after you eat a high > protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is awesome. In other > words: > > IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING YOUR BONES DOWN THE > TOILET ! > > When anything happens in this materialistic world of ours, it > generally happens because of the $. Figure out who benefits from an > event, and you understand the why behind: " XXXX builds strong bones > and teeth " , and similar advertising. > > Speaking of advertising, See MEAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Let's put it this way: Humans have survived through many ice ages and periods of drought, etc. when vegetation has been very scarce... how did they do this? They became hunter/gatherers... eating mostly meat and its fat for energy. We are obviously very flexibly designed to thrive in a varied, omnivorous diet of " natural " foods that includes animal flesh... the real questions is whether the meat is tainted with modern chemicals or naturally raised by gracing in uncontaminated fields... but then again this is also true of vegetables! So let's not get fanatic here and go from one extreme to the other... I agree with you that balance is the key... in all things... including life styles! Domingo Duncan Crow wrote: > > I'd like to focus on the juice guy's comment: > > > There is a definite correlation between high protein consumption and > > osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after you eat a high > > protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is awesome. In other > > words: > > > > IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING YOUR BONES DOWN THE > > TOILET ! > > I guess scare tactics are OK if that's what it takes to sway the > meat-and-potatoes crowd over to a more balanced diet, but again > that comparison comes up between a high meat diet and whatever > they're selling. > > How about comparing their offering to a balanced diet? Few > salesmen do. > > Also, I think it's a contrivance to say all the amino acids are > in whatever juice they're selling. Sure, they might be in there, > but the amount, the ratio, are what we're interested in; trace > amounts will leave us in deficiency. > > I understand that vegetarians are usually deficient in three > amino acids. How much juice plus would you have to drink to get a > gram of cysteine, which is only conditionally essential but like > arginine we need kinda large amounts for health and to not become > emaciated. These are available in animal products in large > amounts; if you don't like meat, use undenatured whey. Whey > contains a lot because growth and immune system robustness is > impotant to suvivial of the species, and whey is a complete > protein that does not result in much calcium loss. Sure, the > juice is great, but balance is better > > Duncan Crow > > > > > Posted by: " JoAnn Guest " angelprincessjo@ > <angelprincessjo%40> mrsjoguest > > Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:16 pm (PDT) > > > > COMPLETE PROTEIN > > http://www.juiceguy .com/complete. shtml > <http://www.juiceguy.com/complete.shtml> > > > > A complete protein is a single food that contains all eight of the > > essential amino acids. > > > > The myth is that we have to consume complete foods; that we can't take > > " incomplete " foods and be healthy. > > > > Now due to constant advertising, everybody knows that only meats are > > complete foods, and thus the question that everyone knows the answer > > to: " What's for dinner? " > > > > Well....it turns out that there are real foods (not as well known) > > that contain all eight of the essential amino acids, such as: > > > > Fruit: Bananas, Dates, tomatoes, > > Nuts: Almonds, Coconuts, Filberts, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts, Brazil > > nuts, Pecans, Vegetables: Alfalfa Sprouts, Bean Sprouts, Carrots, > > Eggplants, Sweet Potatoes, Broccoli, Cabbages, Okra & Squash > > > > In addition, the body has what is termed an amino acid pool in the > > blood and the liver that stores excess amino acids, both essential and > > nonessential, for use when needed. > > > > Thus you do not need to eat a complete food, nor a combination of > > foods at every meal. > > > > The Journal of Clinical Nutrition and the Medical Tribunal show that > > by age 65 meat eaters have DOUBLE the bone loss and deterioration of > > vegetarians. > > > > There is a definite correlation between high protein consumption and > > osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after you eat a high > > protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is awesome. In other > > words: > > > > IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING YOUR BONES DOWN THE > > TOILET ! > > > > When anything happens in this materialistic world of ours, it > > generally happens because of the $. Figure out who benefits from an > > event, and you understand the why behind: " XXXX builds strong bones > > and teeth " , and similar advertising. > > > > Speaking of advertising, See MEAT! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 I ditto Duncan Crow. I quote Linus Pauling from a book where he says that vegetarians are generally deficient in lycine and metheonine. I will add B12 too. Vegetarians will need expert like knowledge of nutrition to get all. Ratan. --- Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: > I'd like to focus on the juice guy's comment: > > > There is a definite correlation between high > protein consumption and > > osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after > you eat a high > > protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is > awesome. In other > > words: > > > > IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING > YOUR BONES DOWN THE > > TOILET ! > > I guess scare tactics are OK if that's what it takes > to sway the > meat-and-potatoes crowd over to a more balanced > diet, but again > that comparison comes up between a high meat diet > and whatever > they're selling. > > How about comparing their offering to a balanced > diet? Few > salesmen do. > > Also, I think it's a contrivance to say all the > amino acids are > in whatever juice they're selling. Sure, they might > be in there, > but the amount, the ratio, are what we're interested > in; trace > amounts will leave us in deficiency. > > I understand that vegetarians are usually deficient > in three > amino acids. How much juice plus would you have to > drink to get a > gram of cysteine, which is only conditionally > essential but like > arginine we need kinda large amounts for health and > to not become > emaciated. These are available in animal products in > large > amounts; if you don't like meat, use undenatured > whey. Whey > contains a lot because growth and immune system > robustness is > impotant to suvivial of the species, and whey is a > complete > protein that does not result in much calcium loss. > Sure, the > juice is great, but balance is better > > Duncan Crow > > > > > Posted by: " JoAnn Guest " > angelprincessjo mrsjoguest > > Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:16 pm (PDT) > > > > COMPLETE PROTEIN > > http://www.juiceguy.com/complete.shtml > > > > A complete protein is a single food that contains > all eight of the > > essential amino acids. > > > > The myth is that we have to consume complete > foods; that we can't take > > " incomplete " foods and be healthy. > > > > Now due to constant advertising, everybody knows > that only meats are > > complete foods, and thus the question that > everyone knows the answer > > to: " What's for dinner? " > > > > Well....it turns out that there are real foods > (not as well known) > > that contain all eight of the essential amino > acids, such as: > > > > Fruit: Bananas, Dates, tomatoes, > > Nuts: Almonds, Coconuts, Filberts, Sunflower > seeds, Walnuts, Brazil > > nuts, Pecans, Vegetables: Alfalfa Sprouts, Bean > Sprouts, Carrots, > > Eggplants, Sweet Potatoes, Broccoli, Cabbages, > Okra & Squash > > > > In addition, the body has what is termed an amino > acid pool in the > > blood and the liver that stores excess amino > acids, both essential and > > nonessential, for use when needed. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 I had forgotten my source for vegan-induced essential amino acid deficiency; thank you, Linus Pauling may have been the one in addition to the " The myths of vegetarianism " on this Mercola page: http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm The following study interests me; if anyone buys it please let me know: Subacute combined degeneration of the spinal cord in vegetarians: vegetarian's myelopathy. (Intern Med. 2006) PMID: 16778348 I also want " Health risks for children raised on vegan or vegetarian diets. " (Pediatr Crit Care Med. 2006) PMID: 16531955 The following abstract has a few points, notably low creatine, that may indicate why vegetarian athletes are usually losers: Vegetarian diets : nutritional considerations for athletes. (Sports Med. 2006) PMID: 16573356 Low creatine, low ATP produces muscle wasting too. This study speaks to low B12: German vegan study: diet, life-style factors, and cardiovascular risk profile. " CONCLUSION: Although TC and LDL concentrations were favorable, low HDL and elevated homocysteine and Lp(a) concentrations were unfavorable. Overall, these results confirm the notion that a vegan diet is deficient in vitamin B(12), which may have an unfavorable effect on CHD risk. " (Ann Nutr Metab. 2005) PMID: 16219987 Duncan > , psych doc <psych_58 wrote: > > I ditto Duncan Crow. > I quote Linus Pauling from a book where he says that > vegetarians are generally deficient in lycine and > metheonine. I will add B12 too. Vegetarians will need > expert like knowledge of nutrition to get all. > Ratan. > > --- Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: > > > I'd like to focus on the juice guy's comment: > > > > > There is a definite correlation between high > > protein consumption and > > > osteoporosis. Many studies are showing that after > > you eat a high > > > protein meal, you urinate and your calcium loss is > > awesome. In other > > > words: > > > > > > IF YOU EAT A HIGH MEAT-BASED DIET, YOU ARE PEEING > > YOUR BONES DOWN THE > > > TOILET ! > > > > I guess scare tactics are OK if that's what it takes > > to sway the > > meat-and-potatoes crowd over to a more balanced > > diet, but again > > that comparison comes up between a high meat diet > > and whatever > > they're selling. > > > > How about comparing their offering to a balanced > > diet? Few > > salesmen do. > > > > Also, I think it's a contrivance to say all the > > amino acids are > > in whatever juice they're selling. Sure, they might > > be in there, > > but the amount, the ratio, are what we're interested > > in; trace > > amounts will leave us in deficiency. > > > > I understand that vegetarians are usually deficient > > in three > > amino acids. How much juice plus would you have to > > drink to get a > > gram of cysteine, which is only conditionally > > essential but like > > arginine we need kinda large amounts for health and > > to not become > > emaciated. These are available in animal products in > > large > > amounts; if you don't like meat, use undenatured > > whey. Whey > > contains a lot because growth and immune system > > robustness is > > impotant to suvivial of the species, and whey is a > > complete > > protein that does not result in much calcium loss. > > Sure, the > > juice is great, but balance is better > > > > Duncan Crow > > > > > > > > Posted by: " JoAnn Guest " > > angelprincessjo mrsjoguest > > > Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:16 pm (PDT) > > > > > > COMPLETE PROTEIN > > > http://www.juiceguy.com/complete.shtml > > > > > > A complete protein is a single food that contains > > all eight of the > > > essential amino acids. > > > > > > The myth is that we have to consume complete > > foods; that we can't take > > > " incomplete " foods and be healthy. > > > > > > Now due to constant advertising, everybody knows > > that only meats are > > > complete foods, and thus the question that > > everyone knows the answer > > > to: " What's for dinner? " > > > > > > Well....it turns out that there are real foods > > (not as well known) > > > that contain all eight of the essential amino > > acids, such as: > > > > > > Fruit: Bananas, Dates, tomatoes, > > > Nuts: Almonds, Coconuts, Filberts, Sunflower > > seeds, Walnuts, Brazil > > > nuts, Pecans, Vegetables: Alfalfa Sprouts, Bean > > Sprouts, Carrots, > > > Eggplants, Sweet Potatoes, Broccoli, Cabbages, > > Okra & Squash > > > > > > In addition, the body has what is termed an amino > > acid pool in the > > > blood and the liver that stores excess amino > > acids, both essential and > > > nonessential, for use when needed. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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