[electroherbalism] Open Challenge Vitamin C

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" Chris Gupta " <chrisgupta

Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:01:17 -0400

[electroherbalism] Open Challenge Re: Vitamin C

 

 

 

This is a very important post as it clearly

demonstrates the dynamics behind the scenes on

Vitamin C. Note how the supposed cream of science

the " New Scientist " has been drawn in to do the

dirty bidding of the vested interest...

 

Chris Gupta

http://tinyurl.com/p62ao

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" the author of the article " is science writer in

residence at the Novartis Foundation in London. "

Novartis is a leading pharmaceutical company.

Pharmaceutical companies and the science that

blossoms from them don't like vitamins and

minerals­at least unpatented vitamins and

minerals. But I digress. Or maybe not. "

 

Extracted from:

<http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/cgi-bin/http://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org/\

editorials/20060808Edit'l%20Antioxidant%20Myths.pdf>8/8/06

Your Own Health And Fitness Editorial –

Antioxidant Myths by Jeffry Fawcett, PhD

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Hi Chris,

 

I also don't expect a response. The New Scientist

article was written by someone from the Novartis Foundation.

 

You have taught me a new word - shill - I like it.

 

Steve

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Steve,

 

I highly doubt that they will respond let alone

rise to the challenge. " When caught red handed

they simply choose not to respond and hope to it

will go away. Or they will do a character

assassination as they did to Dr. Pauling. Imagine

these rank armatures who could never approach the

stature of Pauling and his understanding in

chemistry telling others that they understand the

chemistry and/or science better! That's like a

child telling his father on how to earn a

living.... These industry shills (prostitutes) are hardly scientists*! "

 

Extracted from: All Vitamin C/Common Cold Studies

Conducted Over The Past 60 Years ...

 

Will put this challenge on my site shortly...

 

Chris Gupta

 

* " Science became an educated cadaver of thought,

above which congregate expert players. If the

encyclopedia of the ignorance of the acknowledged

authorities in the history were to be published,

it would number many fat volumes. Nothing will

interest scientists anymore. They are like oxen

which feed of fenced-off pasture. "

 

Prof. Wlodzimierz Sedlak

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Dear Barry,

 

I read with interest your comments about

antioxidants and vitamin C in

the<http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/cgi-bin/http://www.newscientist.com/channel/\

health/mg19125631.500>

New Scientist (The Antioxidant Myth) and The

Scotsman (Supplements May Damage Health) on

Thursday 3 rd August this week. However, they are scientifically

unfounded.

 

From my previous emails, you should be aware of

the open challenge to any scientist willing to

defend the " low dose hypothesis " for vitamin C.

We issued this to discourage people from making

unfounded claims against high doses. So far, no

one has been willing or able to respond. Despite

this, the evidence to date is consistent with

massive doses of vitamin C having powerful

beneficial effects, including protection from

heart disease and treatment of cancer, shock,

infections and toxins. Your public statements

suggest you have evidence to the contrary.

However, a plausible interpretation of the data

is that the doses employed in clinical trials

have been inadequate (too low and infrequent),

particularly in the relatively oxidising internal

environment of inflamed tissues in a person with these conditions.

 

As you are aware, we recently demonstrated that

the plasma excretion half-life of high doses of

vitamin C is only 30 minutes. A direct

implication is that all the clinical studies for

the past 30-50 years have been flawed; they have

used doses 10-100 times too small and involved

subjects with effectively no increase in blood

plasma levels of vitamin C

..[<http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/cgi-bin/http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perl\

serv?request=get-document & doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020307>PLOS,

2005, 2(9),e307.] There is no evidence to support

the idea that humans can get optimal levels of

vitamin C without supplementation.

 

Your statements seem to indicate that you might

be prepared to respond to this challenge. I

invite you and any combination of scientists of

your choosing to produce a paper (up to 3000

words and 20 references) explaining why the low

dose hypothesis is correct and refuting the

claims for high, dynamic flow level doses. I will

respond with a paper showing that your claims are

illusionary and are not based on scientific fact.

The papers will then be published together in the

same journal. You should be aware that, when

challenged publicly, both the Institute of

Medicine in the US and the NIH have declined to

respond or defend their recommendations.

 

The last time I informed you by email that your

ideas on low doses of vitamin C had been

superseded, you did not reply. For this reason, I

have decided to copy the present email to the

publications you may have mislead with

out-of-date statements, to other members of the

press, and to interested parties.

 

Your out-of-date ideas are able to survive

because of the press blackout and exclusion of

data on orthomolecular medicine from

Medline.[<http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/cgi-bin/

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/extract/333/7557/45-a>BMJ,

2006, Jul 1, 333(7557), 45.] If you accept the

challenge, I look forward to reading your defence

of the notion that high doses of vitamin C have

been proven not to work. Please respond by email

if you wish to accept the challenge.

 

Kind regards

 

Steve

 

(<http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/cgi-bin/

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2005/12/12/cancer_nutrition_and_survival.h\

tm>Dr.

Steve Hickey)

 

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