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'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for August 7

Read the transcript to the Monday show

 

Aug 8, 2006

 

Guests: Michael Musto

 

KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST: Which of these stories will

you be talking about tomorrow?

 

Vay-cay. In light of increasing hostilities between

Israel and Hezbollah, British Prime Minister Blair

cancels his vacation, the president starts his.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

BUSH: The humanitarian crisis in Lebanon is of deep

concern to all Americans, and (INAUDIBLE) --

(INAUDIBLE) -- alleviating it will remain a priority

of my government.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: He‘s on vacation.

 

The war itself, is he dealing with foreign heads of

state in hopes of bringing an end to the now 27-day

conflict?

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

BUSH: Condi‘s handling those conversations, and she‘s

doing a fine job of doing so.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: He‘s on vacation.

 

The debate about Iraq, playing out in Connecticut. On

the eve of the primary, Senator Lieberman says his

challenger has spread lies about his record.

 

Playing out in Washington, where “Newsweek” reports

the administration has contingency plans to get U.S.

troops out of there if it becomes civil war, if it

hasn‘t already.

 

Conjoined twins, not visitors to our shores, two cute

4-year-olds from Salt Lake City, and the effort to

separate the girls, even though they share one pair of

legs, one liver, one kidney.

 

And tapes, tapes, tapes. Tapes of Simpson, tapes of

Spears.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dude, we‘re going to do clips of

you burping.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: Uh, Kevin, that‘s not a dude, I think.

 

And best of all, COUNTDOWN‘s national world

intergalactic exclusive, the first tapes of Suri

Cruise.

 

All that and more, now on COUNTDOWN.

 

Good evening.

 

On August 4, 1939, the prime minister of Great

Britain, Neville Chamberlain, adjourned the British

parliament and ordered it reconvened on October 1. He

went on vacation. Eighteen days later, the Russians

and Germans signed a nonaggression pact, removing the

last obstacle to the Nazis rolling through Europe.

 

When Chamberlain was located by his secretary, he was

knee-deep in a river, fishing. When the secretary

told him that Hitler and Stalin had just cut a deal,

Chamberlain told him, You must have gotten that wrong

somehow.

 

Chamberlain was on vacation. World War II started

nine days later.

 

Our fifth story on the COUNTDOWN, depending on how you

parse it, there barely is or barely isn‘t a civil war

in Iraq, and the intensity of the conflict between

Israel and Hezbollah continues to spiral upwards. But

President Bush, right on time, started his vacation

today.

 

His close ally, Tony Blair, avoided the direct

Chamberlain comparison and canceled his own time off

because of the events in the Middle East. But the

president went to Crawford, Texas, today anyway.

There, he announced two new resolutions United Nations

resolutions to end the conflict, perhaps, while making

it clear he isn‘t not actually involved with a lot of

the diplomatic legwork needed to make either

resolution stick, like actually talking to the leaders

of Lebanon and Israel about it.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, you‘ve spoken with Prime

Minister Blair and Chancellor Merkel about this. Have

you spoken directly with Prime Ministers Olmert and

Siniora? And if not, why not?

 

BUSH: Because Condi‘s handling those conversations,

and she‘s doing a fine job of doing so.

 

Yes.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: Condi Rice, Secretary of State Rice, not

the only one picking up the pieces of the president‘s

foreign policy, Democratic Senator Lieberman now

facing the prospect of losing tomorrow‘s primary vote

in Connecticut, thanks, in part, at least, to his

staunch support for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq.

 

Lieberman spent the weekend trying to rally voters

against antiwar contender Ned Lamont, asking them to

look at his whole record, not just the one issue of

Iraq, accusing his challenger of spreading lies, and

comparing Lamont‘s tactics to what Republicans did to

Senator Max Cleland in Georgia in 2002, Cleland, the

decorated Vietnam vet, accused of being soft on

terror, his picture displayed next to Osama bin Laden,

Lieberman, of course, accused of being too hawkish on

the war, his image displayed next to President Bush.

 

It‘s unclear if Lieberman‘s effort to distance himself

from the

 

president will have any effect on Democratic voters.

The latest poll,

 

taken before last weekend, still showed Senator

Lieberman trailing Lamont

 

by 6 percentage points, 51-43.

 

I‘m joined now by the chief political correspondent of

“Newsweek” magazine, MSNBC political analyst Howard

Fineman.

 

Thanks for your time, Howard.

 

HOWARD FINEMAN, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT,

“NEWSWEEK” MAGAZINE:

 

Hi, Keith.

 

OLBERMANN: We‘ll get to Lamont and Lieberman in a

moment.

 

But first, is it more than a cheap shot to say the

president‘s on vacation? Is it even possible to stop

Israel and Hezbollah without the president at least

giving the appearance of being involved in the

process?

 

FINEMAN: Well, I don‘t think it‘s a cheap shot,

although the White House is trying to tell everybody

that this is a much shorter vacation than ones he‘s

taken in the past, more like a campaign year. It‘s

that much of an emergency.

 

But the key thing is not how many days he spends in

Crawford, it‘s what he does or doesn‘t do when he‘s

there. Unfortunately for him, his Crawford record of

vigilance is not that terrific, politically or

substantively. Don‘t forget, in 2001, he got that

famous warning about the possible attack of al Qaeda

and Osama bin Laden‘s interest in attacking the United

States just a month before 9/11. And then last year

during Katrina, there was evidence that he wasn‘t

really on his game, and really vigilant the way he

should have been as early as he should have been, and

he played a lot politically for it.

 

Now you‘ve got the combination of him being down in

Crawford while, at the same time, saying that he‘s not

talking to the two most important leaders in the

Middle East conflict right now, the leaders of Israel

and Lebanon.

 

OLBERMANN: In the context of the PDB from 2001 and

Katrina in 2005, we know that every few weeks, the

White House tries to change the delivery of the

message, or how the message is received, or to blame

reporters about the message.

 

Does anybody there believe in history? Would somebody

say to Mr. Bush, Hey, it would mean something, at

least symbolically, if you delayed this trip, even by

a couple of days, if there was some sense that it was

not business as usual?

 

FINEMAN: There may be some people who might say that

to him. They‘re not in his inner circle. Some

measure of August vacation in Crawford is sacrosanct

with George W. Bush. They think they‘ve made a big

sacrifice, he thinks he‘s made a big sacrifice, by

having it only be about 10 or 11 days, and not the

nearly month that he sometimes takes and would prefer

to take.

 

They‘re not going to say it to him. This is a guy who

operates sometimes stubbornly, by delegation, who

operates on a rhythm, who cares very much about

routine, and he‘s not going to change.

 

And I dare say most of the American people have

already come to a conclusion about the character and

public persona of George W. Bush. They either like

him or loathe him, and that‘s not really going to be

changed by the number of days he spends in Crawford.

 

OLBERMANN: Let‘s turn to Connecticut. Fairly or

unfairly, the primary tomorrow has come to be seen as

a referendum about support for the war in Iraq, if not

on Iraq itself. What happens nationally if Senator

Lieberman loses to Ned Lamont, or if he merely beats

Lamont narrowly?

 

FINEMAN: Well, I think we talked about civil war

earlier. Keith, I think there‘s a civil war brewing,

it‘s almost broken out in the Democratic Party, over

the war in Iraq and the war on terror in general. I

think it‘s going to continue and deepen and become

more heated, whatever the results are in Connecticut

tomorrow.

 

I think that the blogosphere, the antiwar elements of

the party, are geared up. If Joe Lieberman ekes out a

victory, which is possible, if he ekes out a victory

there, that‘s not going to stop the civil war from

growing.

 

I think there‘s a serious dispute within the party. I

think a lot of party leaders are worried that that‘s

paying into the hands of Karl Rove and the Republicans

by raising doubts about where the Democrats stand on

war and terror.

 

But that‘s what an opposition party has to do. It has

to hash out a new direction for the country. If the

Democrats hope to lead, they‘ve got to go through this

trial by civil war. And they‘re going to.

 

OLBERMANN: Could it be a big Lieberman victory? Is

there still the chance of that? And if that happens,

what happens to this internal Democratic civil war

that you see?

 

FINEMAN: Well, you know, anything‘s possible. Can

the organization of labor, can the black community,

traditionally structured, come in and bring in a big

vote for Lieberman? Possibly. I‘m just saying that

regardless, this argument is going to go on. You saw

the outlines of it in the 2004 presidential primaries

between John Kerry and others, and Howard Dean, and

you‘re going to see it continuing as other Democratic

candidates take more of an antiwar position.

 

OLBERMANN: “Newsweek”‘s chief political

correspondent, Howard Fineman. As always, Howard,

thanks for some of your time tonight.

 

FINEMAN: Thank you, Keith.

 

OLBERMANN: The big issue in the Lamont-Lieberman

race, whether to stay in Iraq or pull out soon, may be

moot if sectarian violence in that country worsens,

Richard Wolffe reporting in “Newsweek” that the White

House and the Pentagon are already formulating

contingency plans in the event of formal civil war,

plans that would include moving U.S. troops out.

 

Both General John Abizaid and General Peter Pace

warned last week that there is at least the

possibility of Iraq devolving into civil war, but

Secretary Rice is refusing to confirm exactly what the

U.S. would do if and when that happens.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS, “THIS WEEK,” ABC)

 

GEORGE STEPHANOPULOUS, HOST: If civil war does break

out, will President Bush pull troops out of Iraq?

 

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: George, I‘m not

going to deal with a hypothetical. And that‘s what

this is. This is a hypothetical.

 

STEPHANOPULOUS: You say it‘s a hypothetical, but it‘s

an important hypothetical. If civil war breaks out,

will the United States troops remain?

 

RICE: Well, first of all, again, it is a

hypothetical, and I‘m not going to comment on a

hypothetical.

 

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

 

OLBERMANN: Tomorrow is a hypothetical.

 

The president even more dismissive of the possibility

of civil war, suggesting that it won‘t happen because

no one voted for it.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

BUSH: You know, I hear people say, well, civil war

this, civil war that. The Iraqi people decided

against civil war when they went to the ballot box.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: Laying aside the fact that civil war was

not an option on the ballot box, let‘s bring in

retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona.

 

Rick, thanks for your time tonight.

 

LT. COL. RICK FRANCONA (RET.), U.S. AIR FORCE: Sure.

 

OLBERMANN: A mixed message is coming from the

administration about the possibility of this

definition of civil war. Are those discrepancies

explainable through that issue, definition? Is there

some sort of formal stage at which sectarian violence

becomes civil war?

 

FRANCONA: Well, I think most of us are looking at

this, it becomes a civil war when you‘ve got a

breakdown of the standing Iraqi government. Now,

people will argue that that may have already happened.

But as long as there‘s a functioning Iraqi government

there, and the institutions of the government are

still intact, then we don‘t really have a civil war.

But that doesn‘t lessen the amount of violence we

have. There‘s a terrible security situation there.

 

OLBERMANN: Yes, the United Nations report that came

out in July said

 

that nearly 15,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed

this year, another

 

150,000 forced out of their homes. If that does not

define civil war, what

 

where are we in Iraq? Is it ethnic cleansing, as in

Kosovo? Is it some other term with which we‘re not

familiar?

 

FRANCONA: Well, I think everybody‘s using the term

sectarian violence. But I tend to go with the ethnic

cleansing. I think you‘re seeing that all over the

country. You‘re seeing it in Kirkuk between the Kurds

and the Sunnis. You‘re seeing it in Baghdad,

different neighborhoods. People are being forced out

of neighborhoods because of their ethnic affiliation.

 

So I think we‘re seeing a lot of ethnic cleansing

there. You‘re seeing these death squads operate.

 

But that‘s all still happening under the aegis of a

functioning government. So, yes, we‘re in a terrible

security situation, but I don‘t think we‘re calling it

a civil war yet.

 

OLBERMANN: Despite the secretary‘s repeated

reluctance to talk about hypotheticals, it appears, at

least according to what Richard Wolffe has reported in

“Newsweek,” that the U.S. military would pull troops

out of Iraq—didn‘t say how many or how often, how

quickly—if there is some sort of determination by this

government that it‘s a civil war there.

 

What would be the criteria for making that decision?

Would it would have to be that there is no president

of Iraq, there is no meeting government of Iraq?

There are places without any kind of semblance of

order?

 

FRANCONA: That‘s exactly right, when there‘s no order

there, when the troops are being put in the middle of

warring factions over which there‘s no control, I

think that‘s a point you‘re going to see troops pulled

out. And it‘s very important that they do that. We

saw this happen to us in 1983, after we introduced the

Marines into Lebanon as part of the peacekeeping

force. Eventually that civil war caused us to take

sides.

 

And if we are staying in Iraq, and there is a civil

war, we will forced (INAUDIBLE) -- be forced

eventually to take a side, and that will lead to a

real security problem for our forces, not just for the

people.

 

OLBERMANN: This is hypothetical, this is, in fact,

speculative, but based on your experience, your vast

experience in that region and with the military, when

they talk about, if they are making plans for the

eventuality, even if they think it‘s a 1 percent

chance, of actually having a civil war, what

percentage of U.S. troops would be rescued, in effect,

would be pulled out of there? Are we talking a large

number, a small number? What would happen?

 

FRANCONA: I think you‘d see virtually all of them

pulled out, Keith. You don‘t want to have U.S. forces

caught in the middle of what‘s going to be all this,

you know, it would be a sectarian violence, it would

be a bloodbath. You‘re going to have different

factions.

 

And we‘re not going to be able to tell who‘s who in

all of this, because it will all meld together.

 

So I think you‘ll see a real pullback, probably down

into Kuwait, out of the country somehow. But that

creates this big power vacuum, and then the real

problems begin.

 

OLBERMANN: Indeed. MSNBC military analyst, retired

lieutenant colonel Rick Francona. As always, Rick,

great thanks for your time.

 

FRANCONA: Sure.

 

OLBERMANN: Day 27 of the war in the Middle East. The

rockets keep falling, the ground war continues, the

humanitarian crisis, as the president noted, deepens.

Yet still, it seems no closer to anything resembling a

cease-fire. We will get the very latest from the

region.

 

And the term “COUNTDOWN exclusive” does not say

enough. COUNTDOWN world exclusive? A galactic

exclusive, except maybe on the planet Xenu? The first

Suri Cruise tape.

 

First, Suri Cruise tape.

 

You are watching COUNTDOWN on MSNBC.

 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

 

OLBERMANN: On this date in 1912, the last major third

political party in this country, the Progressives,

better known as the Bull Moose Party, nominated former

president Theodore Roosevelt for the White House.

Notice the date, August 7 they nominated him. The

election was just 120 days later, yet the Bull Moose

Party finished second, with 27 percent of the vote, 11

times the electoral college vote of the third-place

Republicans.

 

And Roosevelt got shot during that campaign. That‘s

back when politics really moved.

 

On that note, let‘s play Oddball.

 

Thus, a special edition of Oddball politics from the

oddball capital of the U.S., Florida. And here we

have a debate show carried on the local cable access

channel on a show called “The Bleeping Truth.”

Hillsboro (ph) County Commissioner candidate Joe

Redner (ph) is on the left, he is debating local radio

show host Tony Katz (ph). The issue of today‘s debate

is, well, it really is irrelevant.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go again. You called me

a liar.

 

(CROSSTALK)

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... you can‘t quote Ronald Reagan

with me.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That‘s two things that you said

about me here...

 

(CROSSTALK)

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You vote, you vote (INAUDIBLE)...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... and then you accuse me of

being personal.

 

When you...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I‘m talking about your politics.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... you started (INAUDIBLE)...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You‘re talking about my weight.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So obviously, you have a

problem...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You called me a liar.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... about the fat...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You called me a liar. I‘m not a

liar.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... and you get very aggressive...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I call you fat...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... you are very aggressive.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... you are fat.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are very aggressive, and it‘s

obvious that you want to hit me, but you haven‘t done

it yet, so we‘re all waiting. My advice to you is

that you need to work on that control issue, and let‘s

keep talking about the issues.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but am I a liar?

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you have lied on this program

about the issues.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you fat?

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, hi, America (INAUDIBLE)...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me about what I lied about.

And, well, you can get up and show them you‘re fat.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you won‘t talk about the

issues...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell them what I lied about,

(INAUDIBLE)...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... (INAUDIBLE)...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys, guys, guys, guys.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE), is not lying.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you are, Joe.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Joe, do it, (INAUDIBLE)...

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) lied about, fat boy.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, come on, Joe, please, I‘m

sorry, but let‘s not do this.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let‘s see how big you are.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please.

 

Sorry, (INAUDIBLE).

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep your hands off.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, guys, please. Folks, I‘m

sorry you had to see that.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why?

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It‘s not right.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: Tough to say who‘s in the wrong there.

But if you really think about it, it all goes back to

Geraldo Rivera. Incoming.

 

Also tonight, Tour de France winner Floyd Landis goes

from hero to zero to conspiracy victim, says he.

 

Speaking of having the wrong end of the stick, there‘s

O.J. Simpson, and someone wants us to believe he‘s mad

enough to sue about this video. Apparently not.

 

Details ahead.

 

But first, time for COUNTDOWN‘s top three newsmakers

of this day.

 

Number three, the Hudson River manatee, you heard me,

one of those thousand-pound mammals native to Florida,

spotted swimming around New York City, up the Hudson

River from Chelsea Pier to Tarrytown. There is no

global warming. None.

 

Number two, Hans Hilger Ropers, director at the Max

Planck Institute for Molecular Genetics in Berlin in

Germany. Wow. He says his latest test on mice and

fruit flies suggests he may be on the verge of being

able to bring a new drug to the market for human

consumption. It would stabilize short-term memory and

improve attentiveness. In other words, an anti-stupid

pill. Added Dr. Ropers, Uh, duh, gee, Tennessee.

 

Number one, Steve Swoboda, a 19-year-old man who got

fed up, apparently, trying to hitchhike from Kennewick

(ph), Washington, to nearby Richland. When the driver

of a delivery van parked the vehicle and left the keys

in the ignition, Swoboda allegedly hopped in and drove

off. It was a doughnut truck. It was soon followed

by policemen from Richland, policemen from Kennewick,

who were waiting for it. That says nothing about the

Benton County sheriff‘s officer who joined in the

chase of the doughnut truck.

 

Fortunately, none of the glazed doughnuts, sugar

doughnuts, cream doughnuts, apple fritters, or bear

claws were injured in this pursuit. Mr. Swoboda

faces auto theft and felony escape charges. And

that‘s the yeast of his problems.

 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

 

OLBERMANN: As preface to another sorted scamp through

a sports world sill smelling of steroids and O.J.

Simpson, this cuddly note from Shea Stadium in New

York. Hours after signing a six year, $55 million

contract, New York Mets third baseman David Wright

approached Mets media relations man, Ethan Wilson, and

asked him for a copy of the press release as a

souvenir. David‘s new around here. Unfortunately

such giggling enthusiasm is not the focus of our No. 3

story, tonight. It is about the No. 2 test results

from cyclist Floyd Landis while making No. 1.

 

After winning the Tour de France, Landis tested

positive for unusually high levels of testosterone. A

second test has some back suggesting the presence of

synthetic testosterone. Landis had previously

suggested he was just a high testosterone kind of guy

or that drinking whiskey might have caused a false

positive. Now he saying the French may have conspired

to get him because they could not get Lance Armstrong.

George Lewis reports for us tonight from Los Angeles.

 

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And is the champ a cheat?

 

GEORGE LEWIS, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):

Landis, accompanied by his wife, was on the morning

talk shows today denying use of performance-enhancing

drugs.

 

MATT LAUER, TODAY SHOW: Floyd, did you cheat to win

the Tour de France?

 

FLOYD LANDIS, TOUR DE FRANCE CHAMPION: No Matt, I did

not.

 

ALAN ABRAHAMSON, “L.A. TIMES” SPORTSWRITER: Floyd

Landis unquestionably, unquestionably has a long

uphill climb to restore his name and reputation.

 

LEWIS: As do many athletes, whether it‘s Barry Bonds

who claims he never used steroids or runner Justin

Gatlin, shown here competing in the Athens Olympics.

He also denies doping.

 

(on camera): The World Anti-Doping Agency has a list

of over 100 banned substances. Athletes know they‘ll

be tested for these substances over and over, so why

risk getting caught?

 

(voice-over): The author of this book says for many

it‘s a basic business decision.

 

PROF. JOHN HOBERMAN, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS: There are

major financial incentives in some of our high-profile

sports. And doping is part of the price of doing

business.

 

LEWIS: But former marathoner, Frank Shorter, later

head of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, says he believes

public disgust will compel a crackdown by sports that

have tolerated the problem until now.

 

FRANK SHORTER, U.S. ANTI-DOPING AGENCY: People are

fed up with doping, and to use the old analogy, the

emperor has no clothes.

 

LEWIS: Floyd Landis says he will fight the doping

charges until his appeals are exhausted. If the

appeals fail he‘ll lose his Tour de France title and

will face a four-year ban from cycling, in his case, a

potential career ender.

 

George Lewis, NBC NEWS, Los Angeles.

 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

 

OLBERMANN: Meantime, it‘s almost hard to remember

when O.J. Simpson was a famous, even controversial,

sports star. Another controversy swirls about him

tonight, though it appears to have been engineered by

disturbers of videotapes of him who claim he has

threatened to sue. Clear is the images that—clearly

is true that the images indicate Simpson has not spent

his recent years hunting for the real killer, unless

there are clues scattered around the country on the

rear ends of various women.

 

Our correspondent in Miami is Michelle Kosinski.

 

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

 

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT

(voice-over): Here‘s O.J. Simpson at a club, O.J.

in the back seat of a limo. O.J. Waiting and waiting

at a bus stop in Atlanta.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: O.J.‘s new lowest low.

 

(LAUGHTER)

 

KOSINSKI: Parts of 80 hours of O.J. video shot over

four years will soon be available free for all to see

on a new website. It bills itself as showing “a side

of O.J. Simpson he has carefully tried to conceal for

years.” According to the site, “the most startling

and shocking footage of O.J.”

 

ROGER HODGES, DOCUMENTARY PRODUCER: This is the most

bizarre thing I ever witnessed in my life.

 

KOSINSKI: Producer Roger Hodges says back in 2001,

his collaborator took O.J. on a national tour with

O.J.‘s consent, videotaping him, and people‘s strong

reactions.

 

HODGES: It‘s shocking, at the crowd response. For

example, in Philadelphia, the crowd mobbed him like a

rock star.

 

KOSINSKI: They say despite a threatened lawsuit from

O.J., they now plan on showing it anyway on their

website and in an upcoming documentary.

 

HODGES: I think a lot of people are going to be

infuriated at that footage.

 

KOSINSKI: Why? Well, it‘s a it‘s for the

documentary. Creators won‘t say why it‘s so shocking,

only that it‘s very revealing. So far though, the

videos show O.J. doing not much, not saying a whole

lot either.

 

Neither Simpson nor his attorney could be reached for

their reaction to all this. The website asks you to

judge for yourself what you think of O.J.

 

HODGES: I thought, well, a lot of people, basically,

have formed their opinions and 11 years later, nobody

cares. Wow, was I ever wrong.

 

KOSINSKI: Whatever you make of it, it is a picture of

the “Juice” that hasn‘t been squeezed out before.

 

Michelle Kosinski, NBC NEWS, Miami.

 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

 

OLBERMANN: But, tonight COUNTDOWN with O.J.

Simpson‘s lawyer, Yale Galanter, he said that Simpson

has not and is not threatening to sue, in fact, he

said the tapes were shot as part of an effort by

Simpson, back in 2001 and 2002, to prove that he still

is in some quarters a popular figure. Mr. Galanter

also suggested given the amount of media interest he‘s

received in these four-year-old tapes, that today

might be a slow news day. Yes!

 

They don‘t see it that way in Utah. There, surgery

has now begun to separate four-year-old conjoined

twins, two little girls from Salt Lake City who have

just one set of legs and one kidney between them. And

a COUNTDOWN exclusive, a world exclusive, the first

Suri Cruise tape. The long wait is nearly over.

Details ahead, but first here are COUNTDOWN‘s “Top 3

Sound Bites” of this day.

 

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For a quarter century, Greenwell

has been the campground host for what he calls the

hottest campground on earth.

 

LEE GREENWELL, CAMPGROUND OWNER: There are some

people who run around nude here, but you don‘t have

to, it‘s clothing optional.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At 1:00 p.m. the temperature

showed 118.

 

Greenwell was content in a hot tub.

 

GREENWELL: Just too hot them.

 

JON STEWART, DAILY SHOW: Demonstrations of the

reality of the phenomenon known as “heat,” really best

left to morning shows.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know that you‘re from Africa.

You‘re telling me that it‘s actually worst here in New

York City?

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, that‘s correct.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Than in Africa?

 

I wouldn‘t have believed it myself, unless I had heard

it from an immigrant right here.

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After meeting a woman at a

Barbeque, Joe Dobbe typed, “I will hold you in my

heart when I need inspiration.” What happened is the

woman who received the e-mail love letter found it so

amusing, she sent it on to her sister, who sent it on

to her friends and on and on, from Detroit to Dubai.

 

JOE DOBBE, LOVE LETTER WRITER: I‘ve e-mails from New

Zealand and Sweden and America, Canada and a lovely

one from a guy in France.

 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

 

OLBERMANN: Stories that could not be more dissimilar,

the latest on surgery to separate conjoined twins from

Utah and our world exclusive tape of the offspring of

Tom-Kat. That‘s next, this is COUNTDOWN.

 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

 

OLBERMANN: Conjoined twins are about once in every

50,000 to 100,000 births. Only 20 percent of them

become viable candidates for separation and most of

those undergo surgery before they are 12-months-old.

But Kendra and Maliyah Herrin are four-years-old. In

our No. 2 story, age just one of the things that make

the ongoing attempt to liberate these girls from their

four-year-long embrace a risky and heart rending

medical story, among them, the fact that there are to

girls and only one kidney. Our reporter is Stephanie

Stanton.

 

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

 

STEPHANIE STANTON, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT

(voice-over): It was a tearful parting as the

four-year-old twins Kendra and Maliyah were wheeled

into surgery at Primary Children‘s‘ Medical Center in

Salt Lake City. A team of 30 will perform the

grueling operation that could take 24 hours.

 

BONNIE MIDGET, PRIMARY CHILDREN‘S HOSPITAL: We have

general surgeons, urologists, orthopedic surgeons, and

plastic surgeons.

 

JAKE HERRIN, FATHER: Last night, they knew it was

tomorrow and we asked them how they felt and they said

they felt excited.

 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Real calm, huh? They were

extremely calm.

 

STANTON: Fused at the torso, the girls share a

kidney, liver, pelvis, part of the large intestine and

a pair of legs. Surgeons plan to separate the liver

and intestines and reconstruct their pelvis. Each

girl will only be left with one leg. Kendra will get

the kidney, while Maliyah will be put on dialysis

until she can receive a transplant from her mother.

 

DR. REBECKA MEYERS, PRIMARY CHILDREN‘S HOSPITAL: We

have elected not to do the transplant at the time of

separation for fear that the small size of the

abdominal cavity would put a lot of pressure on the

new kidney.

 

STANTON: Doctors advised the family to wait for

surgery because the girls shared a kidney. Now

despite those medical concerns, the family decided the

time was right to go forward with the surgery.

Stephanie Stanton, NBC NEWS.

 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

 

OLBERMANN: So, no easy segue to our nightly roundup

of celebrity and entertainment stories, “Keeping

Tabs,” but the melodrama has cooled down, on day 12,

though, it has hardly gone away. Another celebrity

friend endorsement for Mel Gibson and some

graffiti-like snarkiness (ph) from the natives.

 

Replace an “a” with an “e” and the site of all this,

Malibu, becomes Melibu. Vowel swappers doctoring up

various signs in the Malibu are demonstrating that Mr.

Gibson, while breaking the law is bad, it‘s less bad

if you‘re funny while you do it.

 

And if area commentators will not come to Gibson‘s

defense, (INAUDIBLE) when is that video from, 1920?

“People say stupid things when they happen to have a

few and especially if you don‘t drink anymore.” Does

that make sense?

 

As to whether Gibson will again work in Hollywood,

Swayze adds, “When you are a pit bull and you love

what you do and continue to grow the talent will find

its way out.” That‘s right, Patrick, nobody puts

Gibby in a comer.

 

Nobody puts Katherine Harris in a corner; she manages

to do it by herself. You may recall when the

Republican candidate for the Senate from Florida

answered the burning question with a major

announcement last March, on FOX cartoon news channel.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

REP. KATHERINE HARRIS ®, FLORIDA: Let me just answer

the burning question, I‘m in this race and I‘m going

to win.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: She‘s still in the race, but now there‘s

another question, how you pay for that possum? Ms.

Harris spent Saturday afternoon at Florida‘s Wausau

Fest were candidates for office come to see and

(INAUDIBLE) varmints off for charity before releasing

them into the wild. Congresswoman Harris outbid the

pact for this little critter, and then hoisted him up

for a glamour shot. That‘s Ms. Harris on the right.

How much you pay for that possum? Possum: $400.

Picture of yourself with a possum: Priceless.

 

And lastly here to Cleveland, were on Saturday, the

Kiss army stormed the banks of Lake Erie. Upset that

its favorite band, the spokesman for their way of

heavily made-up life had not yet been inducted into

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, hundreds of face-painted

soldiers congregated to Cleveland (INAUDIBLE), hoping

to induct Kiss, Gene Simons‘ tongue, the whole band.

Unfortunately the people who run the hall and make the

decisions on who gets in each year are headquartered

in New York. Upon realizing the error, it was back to

mom‘s basement to unmask in time for the late night

shift at the Waffle Hut.

 

Kiss fans will have to wait another year, but you will

have to wait just one more break for the super-secret

exclusive COUNTDOWN scoop, the Suri Cruse tape.

 

Plus a special added bonus, Britney Spears tape,

completely burping (ph), no extra charge. That‘s

ahead, but first, time for COUNTDOWN‘s latest list of

nominees for “Worst Person in the World.”

 

The Bronze to the “Herald-Tribune” newspaper, of

Sarasota, Florida. On its website it has an

interactive slideshow, 20 tips if you are angry over

gas prices and want to stretch each tank of gas and

avoid the poorhouse. No. 7 has a big red stop sign

with the tip, “Don‘t stop when approaching a red

light. Slow down enough to avoid having to stop.

Accelerating from five to 10 miles-per-hour wastes

less gas than starting from a full stop,” unless the

police catch you and hit you with the $200 ticket

because what the “Herald-Tribune” calls “fuel saving

tip No. 7” Florida law calls a “rolling stop.”

 

Our runner-up, John Gibson, FOX News playing at facts

optional, again, said on his radio show about me, not

allowed to say his name, went on “He,” that is me,

“said the other day that he had done 218 consecutive

shows at MSNBC. He didn‘t do 218 consecutive shows

because there were plenty of days when they couldn‘t

get him out of the bathtub and I had to do his show.”

John, No. 1, I didn‘t say I did 218 consecutive shows,

as in 218 consecutive show without a day off. I said

we did 218 executive shows about Clinton-Lewinsky. Of

course I took days off, they‘re called days off.

 

Other point about this, you had to do the show because

you were my backup here, at MSNBC—fill-in, sub, last

resort.

 

But our winner, another notch in his infamous belt

tonight, sadly this is not funny in the slightest.

Talking about the 18-year-old girl abducted from New

York‘s West side highway, later brutally raped and

murdered, O‘Reilly‘s version, “These two girls come in

from the suburbs and they get bombed and their car is

towed because they‘re moronic girls. Now Moore—

 

Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college, she was

5‘2” 105 pounds wearing a mini skirt and halter top

with a bare midriff. Now again, there you go, so

every predator in the world is going to pick that up

at 2:00 in the morning.” You sick sorry excuse for a

human being.

 

Bill O‘Reilly, today‘s “Worst Person in the World.”

 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

 

OLBERMANN: (INAUDIBLE) celebrity culture of ours,

that means that our national nightmare is now 112 days

long, or as our No. 1 story in the COUNTDOWN tonight

suggests, it was 112 days long. In a moment, the

universal premiere of the first tape of Suri Cruise.

 

A rumored wedding of parents, Tom and Cruise and Katie

Holmes over the weekend, did not come to pass.

Suspicious? The birth certificate, of course, was not

filed until May 8. More suspicious? A family source

told “People” magazine the day of the birth the baby

has Katie‘s long hair and Tom‘s blue eyes and there

have been no photographs? Really suspicious? Three

people, and three people only have publicly claimed to

have seen the baby. Leah Remini: “She‘s just

beautiful?” Penelope Cruz: “I met Suri, she‘s really

beautiful.” Jada Pinkett Smith, “She‘s one of the

sweetest babies I‘ve ever met?” When was the last

time you claimed to have met a 3-month-old?

 

Most suspicious? Well, put your suspicions aside.

After intense negotiations with a source by our

COUNTDOWN L.A. deputy bureau chief, Katherine Turr

(ph) just about 10 days ago, COUNTDOWN has been

exclusively given the first exclusive tape every of

the exclusive baby of Tom Cruise and Katie “exclusive”

Holmes. It‘s brief, it‘s just an audiotape, the

quality is not good, kind of like “War of the Worlds,”

but it‘s a tape and we‘ll play it for you right now.

Here it is.

 

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

 

SURI CRUISE, BABY: (CRYING)

 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trust Scientology.

 

(END AUDIO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: We believe that was “trust scientology”

and there will be analysis of that overnight. The

state department has yet to authenticate that tape, a

team of translators is working around the clock to

confirm that last message and also decipher the first

part. And our source suggests we will be given

further messages from Suri Cruise throughout this

week, unless those smartasses from TMZ.com beat us to

it.

 

If we‘re lucky, we‘re thinking maybe Thursday, a burp.

Fortunately we already have one of those from Britney

Spears. (INAUDIBLE) of Mr. and Mrs. Federline, just

sitting around the dining room table, otherwise of

unknown origin and date has shown up on the internet.

Michael Musto will join me in a moment, to figure this

thing out, if that‘s even possible.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

BRITNEY SPEARS, SINGER: I‘m ugly.

 

KEVIN FEDERLINE, HUSBAND: No.

 

SPEARS: My jaw hurts.

 

FEDERLINE: That doesn‘t mean you‘re ugly.

 

Dude, we‘re going to do clips of you burpin‘.

 

SPEARS: I feel like I‘ve been missing out on life.

 

FEDERLINE: Like what part of life?

 

SPEARS: Life. Like things and things going on. Like

I feel like I‘m behind or something.

 

FEDERLINE: Would you rather go out or would you

rather go watch the movie?

 

SPEARS: Huh?

 

FEDERLINE: Would you rater go out—if you had to go

out or watch a movie, what would you want to do.

 

SPEARS: I‘d go watch that movie and just drink at

home.

 

(LAUGHTER)

 

Have you ever seen “Back to the Future?”

 

FEDERLINE: Um-hmm.

 

SPEARS: Is that possible? To time travel speed?

 

FEDERLINE: No.

 

SPEARS: Yes it is, Kevin.

 

FEDERLINE: OK, but not that we know of.

 

SPEARS: Maybe—I think people can do that. I think

some people are ahead of us.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: Here‘s one of them, as promised, “Village

Voice” columnist, Michael Musto.

 

Good evening, Michael.

 

MICHAEL MUSTO, “VILLAGE VOICE”: Hi Keith.

 

OLBERMANN: The Britney Spears video, a few mysteries

here. She says she feels ugly and says her jaw hurts.

The connection there is never explained, never

resolved. Do you have a suggestion?

 

MUSTO: Well, ugly girls have to do things with there

mouths to stay popular that pretty girls don‘t have to

do and that‘s really all I‘m going to say about that.

I want to stay tasteful (INAUDIBLE).

 

OLBERMANN: The belief from Miss Spears at that end

there that time travel is actually being practiced by

people who are, quote, as she said, “ahead of us.”

Did it not occur to here that one of the first 10

things any time travellers would go back and do would

be to prevent her from meeting Kevin Federline?

 

MUSTO: Well, I actually think she‘d like to travel

back to three years ago when she had a career. Or

maybe a year ago when she and Kevin got paid to do

these silly videos, because they had a reality show

that was actually televised. But as you‘re watching

this, Kevin, what‘s his name, he‘s a little slow, but

I actually think he seems sweet and maybe he‘s

thinking “I‘m the one who should be on a rocket ship

to yesterday.” Maybe he doesn‘t want to be saddled

with the contentious, yet kind of likable cow. He

could have just had the boozey milk.

 

OLBERMANN: This is also, obviously, at least prefirst

pregnancy, probably, but in it (INAUDIBLE)

philosophical on life and on those “things and things

going on.” Is this a side of her we have never seen?

If we see the sweet Kevin Federline, are we seeing the

thinking Britney Spears?

 

MUSTO: Well, if you know her body of work like I do,

you know that she‘s capable of such thought. I mean,

there was her lingerie valedictorian in the movie

“Crossroads”—I can‘t even say it and her brilliant

lyric, “I‘m a slave for you,” that‘s the No. 4, letter

“u.” She‘s basically, leachy (ph) in espadrilles,

she‘s (INAUDIBLE) with a Maytag. She‘s (INAUDIBLE)

with a mobile home. I could go on.

 

OLBERMANN: Do you have any idea as to which era,

directly, this home video came from and why and how it

got out and why now?

 

MUSTO: Well, actually, I think I actually watched

this whole thing and he says at one point, “you were

touring recently,” so this is actually way back when

she was working. And she says, “Oh, I want to see

‘Back to the Future,‘” Keith, that came out in ‘85.

OK, this is 21 years old, this video, and she looks

about 40, she‘s 61 now. No wonder she wants to time

travel.

 

OLBERMANN: Doing the math now, it‘s kind of

frightening. We got—tried to get a comment from Miss

Spears and we have this response. We‘d like your

reaction to it after we play it.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

SPEARS: Huh? Huh? Huh? (BURPING)

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

OLBERMANN: Is that her final answer?

 

MUSTO: That‘s my Britney, the thinker. No, I think

it‘s cute of here to quote Star Jones‘ wedding vows,

but I don‘t find that definitive, I mean, three burps

and four huhs would be definitive, she wavering here.

She‘s belching up the wrong tree. I‘m not buying it.

 

OLBERMANN: To switch gears in the final minute here,

any thoughts on how soon we‘ll get more of this Suri

Cruise audio and the content of what you heard just

tonight in our world exclusive?

 

MUSTO: Well, as you mentioned, it‘s only Scientology

who‘ve forward and say, “Oh, I have seen her and she‘s

nice.” What does that mean? She doesn‘t have cloven

hooves or something? I‘d like a second opinion from a

normal person. You had Armistead Maupin on this show

last week and he talked about a book he wrote about a

woman who would call him and then pretended to be her

kid on the phone.

 

OLBERMANN: Called, me too, yeah.

 

MUSTO: Yeah. And me too, I think. I don‘t know.

But this is the same thing exempt Katie Holmes is no

Meryl Streep or Tony Tullett (ph). I mean, she can‘t

pull it off. In between the crying you hear here

chewing gum and yelling things like, “Tom, get out of

my high heels,” it‘s really armature. He‘s short.

 

OLBERMANN: I can‘t get over the idea that (INAUDIBLE)

Michael Musto, great thanks for your time again, sir.

 

MUSTO: Thank you.

 

OLBERMANN: That is COUNTDOWN for this, the 1,194th

day since the declaration of “Mission Accomplished” in

Iraq. Keep your knees loose. I‘m Keith Olbermann,

goodnight and good luck.

 

Our MSNBC coverage continues now with “Scarborough

Country.”

 

Joe, good evening.

 

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