A followup on zeolite combined with a green juice fast

[Guest guest]

Dear group:

 

I pulled the copy below from a website I found from a simple google

search on zeolite detoxification. It came from:

 

http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view & news.id=539

 

A few days ago I knew nothing about zeolite, so I am no expert by any

means. However, I believe the gist of my last post. Dr. Cousens is

putting his professional reputation on the line by what he is saying,

and I don't think that he would do this unless he was fairly sure that

what he was representing was true.

 

The way I read Dr. Cousens material is that green juicing, which has

been used for decades as a detoxification measure of sorts, when

combined with zeolite, has an awesome detoxification effect. His

profound yet simple discovery was in linking the synergy between a

green juice fast and zeolite.

 

Incidentally, one reason that it is not hard for me to believe Dr.

Cousens extraordinary claims is that bentonite, another clay, has been

an absolute godsend for me for about seven years in regard to

correcting manic depression in myself. I have posted to the internet

on the miraculous effects of a bentonite/psyllium purge (with other

measures added) for years to no avail.

 

As soon as I have a stable living situation and enough dough for a lot

of organic veggies to juice, I am going to try a zeolite/juice fast as

Dr. Cousens suggested. When this happens in a few months or so, I

will report my results to this egroup.

 

All the best,

 

Allen

 

INTERVIEW with RIK DEITSCH and WINDER LYONS on NATURAL CELLULAR

DEFENSE December 2005

 

Welcome friends. My name is Winder Lyons, and it is a great pleasure

for me to have today Rik Deitsch who is the chairman of Waiora's

Science Advisory Board. Welcome Rik.

 

Thank you for having me Winder.

 

Let's start with some of your credentials, if you will.

 

Well, I am a biochemist; I completed my Bachelors Degree in Chemistry

and Chemical Engineering, and a Master's Degree in Biochemistry at

Florida Atlantic University. I continue to teach at Florida Atlantic

University. Up until two years ago, I taught at the College of Science

where I instructed Advanced Biochemistry Laboratory, Physical

Chemistry Laboratory, Quantitative Analysis, and Quantum Chemistry. I

now teach for the College of Business in such courses as

Entrepreneurship and test prep.

 

I conducted my PhD research for the Duke University Comprehensive

Cancer Center at Duke University Medical School, working with Computer

Adaptive Drug Design - using computers to take existing drugs and make

them more efficient, more specific for their targets, so having fewer

side effects. Many useful drugs, including chemotherapeutic agents

were discovered out of that research.

 

After Duke University, I created a company called NDA Consulting,

which helped pharmaceutical companies navigate the FDA process through

drug approval. That eventually became my public company Nutra Pharma

Corporation. I am the CEO and President of Nutra Pharma Corporation.

We are a publicly traded biotechnology company. We currently have a

drug for Multiple Sclerosis (MS) entering Phase II trials, a drug for

HIV entering Phase II trials and a drug for Adrenylmyeloneuropathy

(AMN) entering Phase III trials. Now that's being reactive to disease.

It's the side of my life as a pharmaceutical biochemist.

 

On the other side I created a life as a nutritional biochemist and

being proactive against disease, and to that end I worked for Rexall,

Sundown and sister companies, GNC and MetRx, in designing dozens of

dietary supplements, conducting over 30 clinical studies in the

dietary supplement arena, and also lecturing globally to doctors in

CME courses. And to that end, I'm now the Chairman of Waiora's

Scientific Advisory Board where I manage a group of eight physicians

and a chiropractor in over-seeing the quality control, quality

assurance, and product development of Waiora Products, and also in

educating the distributor force in the country at large on Waiora's

Products and their vision.

 

Very impressive. Let's talk about one of the products that Waiora

has–the Natural Cellular Defense. What is this and why is it unique?

 

Waiora's Natural Cellular Defense is comprised of a

naturally-occurring zeolite. Zeolites are minerals that are formed in

volcanic eruptions. When a volcano erupts, the lava and the ash go

into salt water and fresh water lakes and form these minerals with

open channels and pores in them. In other words, they are minerals

that have spaces in the middle of them. It's a cage-like structure, if

you will.

 

There are about 40 naturally occurring zeolites and because of their

unique properties, there are actually over 100 synthetic zeolites that

are created specifically to enhance one or more of those natural

properties. Zeolites are also negatively charged–one of the few

negatively charged minerals found in nature. And so, the natural

properties in zeolites are active molecular sieves or filtering

agents, where they attract to themselves and trap into them positively

charged atoms, ions, and compounds, and can remove them from a system.

We use naturally-occurring clinoptilolite in the Natural Cellular

Defense. This particular zeolite has been used for over 800 years in

traditional medicine to improve general health in places like India,

China, throughout Russia, and really all throughout Asia. In the

United States this has been used in water filtration, air

purification, animal feed and even in fertilizers to keep the crops

healthy. Now we're using it based on patented technology with our

activation process as a dietary supplement for human detoxification.

 

So is this really the first time that this has been available to

humanity in this form?

 

Well, certainly in this form. There have been powdered zeolites

available in the past that weren't as effective or active.

 

I see. So, what is actually in this mineral? Is it something that we

can find on the periodic table? What is it exactly?

 

It's a mineral with a cage-like structure. It's created by aluminum

and silica that are trapped in small tetrahedra (pyramid-like

structures) created by oxygen atoms. These form 8-sided and 10-sided

rings that stack on top of each other to form channels. The aluminum

is positively charged and the oxygen around it is negatively charged,

giving the entire molecule a net negative charge. This is a very

stable compound. For all practical purposes, this is an invincible

molecule.

 

Is there any possibility of the aluminum being released because of this?

 

Absolutely not. The aluminum is in the middle of the tetrahedron of

oxygen. So imagine you have a pyramid that's made of oxygen with

aluminum in the center of that pyramid. It's what they call

non-exchangeable aluminum. We have done studies where we have

re-captured 100% of the aluminum as it came out in fecal matter and

urine from the patients, and additionally we found that it would

excrete additional aluminum, which means that the zeolite is pulling

aluminum out of the body in addition to the aluminum contained in the

product itself.

 

So what can somebody expect who is taking this? What will we see in

our bodies as a result of using this product?

 

Well, there's certainly systemic detoxification. It's been clinically

proven to remove mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic and other heavy

metals. Research has shown that it does help balance pH, which makes a

more alkaline system. A slightly alkaline environment in the body

helps to stabilize the immune system. The zeolite may also pull out

potential triggers to allergies, asthma attacks and migraine

headaches, so you may experience fewer episodes if you are someone who

experiences these issues.

 

Certainly its effect on pH can be felt in less attacks of acid reflux.

So, if you experience acid reflux, you'll experience less of that.

Overall, you feel healthier, you have more energy, and you're at less

risk for certain diseases.

 

So you can say this is a chelating compound or a detoxification compound?

 

Certainly it is a detoxification element. It is an oral chelating

product, but as far as oral chelators go it is very, very efficient as

compared to the classic oral chelating compounds.

 

Explain a bit, if you would.

 

Classical oral chelation is charge-specific. For example, EDTA is a

classic oral chelator with a charge of -2, so it will go around the

body and take out anything that has a + 2 charge. That certainly

includes lead, but it also includes magnesium and calcium. And so,

when you're chelating with something like EDTA you have to keep adding

magnesium and calcium back into the patient, and eventually you have

diminishing returns where the only thing you're chelating out is the

magnesium and calcium you keep adding back in, with the result that

you never get all of the heavy metal out of the system.

 

With the zeolite, it has a much higher affinity for the heavier metals

like lead, mercury, cadmium, and arsenic and very low affinity for the

lighter minerals like calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and sodium. The

easiest way to think about this is, imagine a lion's cage at the zoo.

The lion is trapped in the cage, but a mouse can run in and out at

will – and that is really what happens with these lighter elements.

 

So the really toxic metals–the cadmium, lead, mercury, and arsenic

will be captured before anything else and then not re-released into

the system?

 

Absolutely. There have been two published studies in ruminants; goats,

sheep and cows. In the studies, all of the animals were fed a

nutritional supplement along with their usual animal feed. Half of the

animals were also fed the zeolite. Across the board, the animals fed

the zeolite actually had better nutritional status and better mineral

content in the form of things like calcium and magnesium than the

animals not fed the zeolite. So, not only did the zeolite reduce the

toxic metals in their system, it actually improved the nutritional

status of these animals. So there is no risk that the zeolite would

reduce these healthy minerals, making it a better choice over classic

oral chelation.

 

So you can say this is a nutritional enabler?

 

Yes, that is a very good way to put it.

 

If you would, talk a little bit more about how the heavy metals in

your body can interfere with enzymatic or ATP or other functions?

 

Yes, metals have a lot of toxic side effects. I do recommend that

people can read about this in the Environmental Protection Agency

website at www.epa.gov and also at the Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention at www.CDC.gov.

 

There's great information on heavy metal toxicity and the topical

database that shows us what we're exposed to in a daily basis.

 

It can be pretty frightening. But heavy metals do have many toxic

actions in the body. One of them has to do with enzyme inhibition and

protein inhibition. As an example, zinc finger proteins are proteins

that are stabilized by a zinc atom in the middle of the protein, and

if the zinc isn't there, the protein won't work, and zinc finger

proteins are necessary for cellular division, especially for the

immune system. So when we are under, say a viral attack or bacterial

attack and we need to make more immune system cells to deal with that,

we need to make more zinc finger proteins to be able to make those

additional cells. And this is the reason why you may use a zinc

lozenge when you have a cold, for example. The additional zinc allows

you to create more immune system cells.

 

But that zinc can be displaced by certain heavy metals–for example,

mercury or arsenic–and when that zinc is displaced, the protein

doesn't function. By removing those heavy metals, the zinc now can get

to where it needs to be. It stabilizes that molecule, and you wind up

with a more stable immune system. That's just one example. Another

good example is adenosine triphosphate (ATP) which is the energy

currency of the body. That needs to be stabilized by magnesium. In

fact, active ATP is called Mg-ATP for magnesium ATP. And magnesium can

be displaced by mercury, so if you have mercury poisoning, you have

less energy, worse neurological function–partially because of the

down- regulation or inhibition of ATP. Once you remove the mercury,

magnesium can get to its proper binding state on the ATP and you'll

have better use of the energy currency in your body. And that's one of

the reasons that many people on the Natural Cellular Defense feel more

energy within a few weeks of taking it.

 

You've mentioned in some of the talks we've had that this is not a

panacea, but the downstream consequences of using this are profound

and varied.

 

Absolutely, I hate the concept of the panacea, when people say that

they have the product that cures everything and does everything. I

will tell you that the zeolite has a quantifiable physical mechanism

of action. We see how it works, we know exactly how it works, but the

implications of its action are profound. By removing these toxins,

removing these heavy metals, helping stabilize pH, you allow the body

itself to function much more efficiently. So these downstream

implications of the quantifiable physical mechanism of the action of

the zeolite are really too numerous to enumerate.

 

Are we even aware of all the things that this does or could

potentially do yet?

 

No, absolutely not. I am hearing new things every day. When I hear a

testimonial, an anecdotal report, or a report from a physician I have

to strain to find the mechanism of action that might be responsible

for it and see how we can repeat that, because we're hearing

incredible things in a daily basis.

 

Let's talk about the three things that this will do, that I talk about

on a regular basis: 1. It will detoxify the body in a profound way 2.

It will help balance the pH 3. It acts to help the immune system

function properly.

 

On the detoxification front, is there any place in the body that this

cannot or will not get to?

 

We're looking into that right now, but, as a whole, this is a systemic

product and does get all over the body.

 

Even if you have (for instance) metals deep inside bone, it will pull

those out also eventually?

 

Eventually what happens is that there's an osmotic response where, as

you lower concentrations all over the body, these will start to leech

out of fat, muscle and bone. One of the ways that the body sequesters

heavy metals from doing damage is it builds fat or other tissue around

the heavy metal. And this is interesting, because we actually have

seen people lose weight on the Natural Cellular Defense, and this is

not associated just with water weight, but with actual loss of fat.

One of the theories is that as we remove the heavy metals, that fat is

no longer necessary to sequester the heavy metal, so it's available

for lipolysis, the breakdown of fats.

 

In other words, your body is protecting itself by wrapping the toxins

in fat and storing it?

 

That's one of the ways the body does that through sequestration. It

sequesters the metal away from other tissue.

 

And when that's no longer necessary, it can just let that fat go.

 

Exactly.

 

Now, you mentioned asthma and migraines and allergies. How would this

impact those things?

 

Well, those are what we call triggering diseases, where you need to

actually be in touch with a trigger. Your body needs to be in contact

with that trigger that causes that problem. Migraine triggers include

everything from caffeine, chocolate, and certain dairy products. There

are all sorts of things that might trigger a migraine headache. Same

thing with asthma–certain things like pollen or other things you might

be allergic to can trigger that asthma attack. In triggering-type

problems, I always recommend that the patient keeps a journal, so over

time they can write down what might have caused that action, and so

they can avoid potential triggers. But many of these triggers are

toxic products, heavily charged compounds that might be removed by the

zeolite, and so we've seen in many cases, people that experience

asthma and migraine headaches that had fewer attacks when they're

taking the product–most likely because we're removing the trigger.

 

Now, one of the things that we talk about on a regular basis is that

this will balance the pH. How does it do that and what are some of the

downstream consequences of that?

 

Well, this is a real interesting concept. First of all, the body needs

to maintain a slightly alkaline pH of about 7.4. Seven is neutral. If

you go above 7, it is alkaline. If you go below 7, then it is acidic.

The body functions best at a slightly alkaline pH–as I said, about

7.4. The more acidic the pH in the body, the more at risk you are for

bacterial infection, for yeast infection, for parasitic infection–and

bacteria flourishes in a slightly acidic environment, where the immune

system falters or does not function properly in an acidic environment.

 

Normally, our body buffers the acidity in our system very well. There

are several buffering mechanisms that try to stabilize the pH in our

body at slightly alkaline, but all sorts of things can knock that out

of whack, including our diet and including diabetes. Many diabetics

suffer diabetic acidosis where the bloodstream becomes more acidic,

and people who are not diabetic suffer acidosis through poor diet. For

example, in a low carb diet the body goes through a process where it

creates glucose, through a process called gluconeogenesis, and the

side products are ketone bodies which cause ketone acidosis and an

acidic environment. Those individuals are high risk for something

called septicemia, which is blood borne poisoning, bacteria

proliferation, parasitic or yeast proliferation, systemic Candida,

yeast infections, and all this, when the immune system doesn't

function well at a low pH.

 

So, pH is caused by protons, positively charged free hydrogen. The

more protons you have, the more acidity you have. The pH scale is

logarithmic, so a pH of 6 has 10 times the protons than a pH of 7. A

pH of 5 has 100 times the amount of protons as a pH of 7. So this

logarithmic scale is important to know every little bit of pH change

is a huge amount of protons. And so what the zeolite tends to do is

attract to itself small highly charged particles, so it can attract to

itself these hydrogen ions, but the hydrogen ions are so small they

will not get trapped in the cage, but they will migrate into the cage

based on concentration. So, wherever the zeolite is, if there are a

lot of protons around, then those protons will naturally migrate into

the cage and be pulled out or sequestered away from the solution,

thereby raising the pH of the area.

 

When it gets to an area that has a low amount of protons, they will

migrate out of the cage, so it's really a site-specific or geographic

buffering agent. Now, as the pH becomes more normal, as it becomes

more alkaline, you create a better environment for defeating bacterial

growth. The immune system stabilizes, bacteria don't grow, yeast

doesn't grow, parasites don't function well, and so you can detox your

body from all of these in addition to the downstream consequences of

stabilizing the pH.

 

I've heard that in order to buffer the over-abundance of acidity in

your body, your body will pull calcium out of bones, which can lead to

things like osteoporosis.

 

That's true as well. There was one paper published on this particular

zeolite and its effect on osteoporosis. Partially was because it

spared boned from calcium loss through this process and partially

because by removing lead (lead mixes with calcium and causes greater

calcium loss), so by removing lead from the body you also help protect

bone from calcium loss.

 

I understand that this is an immuno-modulator. Would you explain what

that means?

 

It's important to understand that in many cases we do not want to

stimulate the immune system. Many people suffer from auto-immune

diseases, which are diseases where the immune system is itself the

culprit. For example, in rheumatoid arthritis the immune system

decides, for some reason, that the joints and connective tissue are

foreign bodies or enemies, and the immune system attacks the joint and

connective tissue.

 

If you stimulate the immune system, if you affect it where it becomes

more active, then the disease becomes worse, and so in many cases with

these auto-immune diseases they are treated with immuno-suppressants

(agents that suppress the action of the immune system) and so you wind

up with other diseases instead of just the autoimmune disease.

Auto-immune diseases include multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis,

Hashimoto's thyroiditis, myasthenia gravis, type 1 diabetes–there's

really so many of them and sufferers could not take any product that

would stimulate the immune system, but Natural Cellular Defense

doesn't seem to stimulate the immune system, it seems to stabilize the

immune system, so it works more efficiently, it works more accurately.

In such a case, we call that action Immuno-modulation–and so it's not

an immuno-stimulant, it's an immuno-modulator, and as such it is

perfectly safe to be used by people with autoimmune diseases. In many

cases they benefit very well from this action, as it stabilizes the

immune system. Over time, you're less likely to have an autoimmune

attack because of it.

 

You mentioned something to do with glucose. How would this relate to,

say, arterial plaque or things like that?

 

That's two different questions. First of all, glucose carries a slight

positive charge, so it can be adsorbed to the outside of the zeolite,

not adsorbed into the zeolite, and so the zeolite has been

investigated for its effect in helping diabetics. Most of what we've

seen is it can help stabilize blood sugar levels over a period of

time, and this is one of the other reasons that it seems to help in

energy levels. By stabilizing blood sugar levels you have more

sustained energy throughout the day, instead of spikes after your

meals and drops where you feel exhausted after your meals. So this is

one of the functions of the zeolite and it shows some benefit in diabetes.

 

The other question is about arterial plaque and in classic chelation

one of the things you're trying to do is pull calcium out of the

plaque because calcium stabilizes soft plaques and makes them into

hard plaques. This is called calcification. By removing the calcium

over a long period of time and with other therapies, you might (in

fact) be able to reduce the size of the existing arteriosclerosis or

atherosclerotic plaque–and that's one of the functions of chelation

therapy. The problem with classic chelation, as I said before, is that

it removes the calcium from the system. Calcium can migrate into the

zeolite and will migrate into the zeolite, but the zeolite has very

low affinity for calcium so won't remove it from the system,

especially if there's something with higher affinity available, like

mercury, cadmium or arsenic, nitrosamines, or other highly charged

particles. And so by removing the calcium from the plaque, the zeolite

can allow the plaque to shrink over time in a safe way because it

maintains the stability of the plaque in this way, but it doesn't

remove the calcium from the system. This provides the same

cardiovascular benefits as classic chelation without the inherent loss

of necessary calcium.

 

Is there a bacteria element to plaque?

 

Yes there is. We used to believe that heart disease was a static

process where you had fatty blood, high cholesterol, high lipids, high

triglycerides that would just start to stick to the walls and form

these plaques–sort of a passive process. But now we know that it is a

very active process which starts with inflammation, and bacteria can

cause this inflammation. In fact, one of the theories is that oral

bacteria through bleeding gums migrate from the mouth (where it is

pretty safe) into the bloodstream, and that oral bacteria can aid

inflammation around the heart and in the coronary arteries. And when

inflammation occurs, triglycerides, cholesterol and fatty products can

be pulled into the walls of the arteries where they get modified. And

modified cholesterol leads to the formation of plaque and in the

layering of smooth muscle cells over those plaques to try and

stabilize them.

 

That's why the plaques seem to form from the outside pushing in to the

center of the arterial space, eventually forming an occlusion, and as

that plaque ruptures it is thrombolytic and it can form a clot. If

that artery leads to the heart there's a heart attack. If it leads to

the brain, you've just seen a stroke.

 

The Red Cross participated in a study of umbilical cords with some

pretty disturbing results. I believe there was a lot of toxic

materials discovered in those umbilical cords. What implications would

that have for newborns and how would our product relate to that?

 

I think it's really a shame. The study was conducted by the

Environmental Working Group (www.ewg.org) in cooperation with the

American Red Cross. This study evaluated the blood from the umbilical

cords of newborns. They did find over 200 toxic compounds, more than

70 of which were potentially carcinogenic. So it seems that we're born

with high toxicity, so it's not like it builds up over time–we're

acquiring it from our parents, which is a very scary thought. It is

important to know that the Natural Cellular Defense does help detoxify

the body and is perfectly safe in any age and pretty much any

condition, so it's perfectly safe in pregnant or nursing mothers and

perfectly safe in infants as well. Because of this study I would say

that not only is it safe for a pregnant woman, but it probably is

advisable in a pregnant woman to help prevent, in some way, passing on

some of these toxic compounds to her newborn.

 

We hear a lot of people say they have pain reduction as a result of

using the product. Would you explain why that would be?

 

There are a few theories–they haven't been evaluated in the research

yet, but some of the theories are the fact that you have more activity

of zinc finger proteins which leads to better cellular production.

This, in turn, leads to better healing and also better blood flow and

circulation because of its classic chelation effect. There are a lot

of reasons. Also in rheumatoid arthritis, the zeolite may act as an

immuno-modulatory agent. Since rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune

disorder, modulating immune system reactivity would provide some

benefit in that disease.

 

Not everything is helped by the NCD, what would be examples of things

that would not be directly affected?

 

Again we talk about direct effect versus downstream effects. For

example, people ask about the effect of detoxifying against hormone

mimetics or certain pesticides which act as hormones in the

body–xenoestrogens from plastics, for example. These compounds are

either too large to be absorbed by the zeolite or they are uncharged

or negatively charged compounds, which would not be attracted to the

zeolite, so the NCD would not have a direct effect in removing those

from the body.

 

But most of those are removed through a process called phase II human

glucuronidation, which is a detoxification pathway in the liver. We do

know that the NCD provides liver support. Because of this, NCD

indirectly upregulates glucuronidation. This is why we believe that

the downstream implication of taking Natural Cellular Defense will

allow us to detoxify from these other compounds.

 

What about aflatoxins?

 

Aflatoxins are created by certain fungi found in nuts and beans.

Because it has been such a scourge in farm animals, there have been

several published studies on this zeolite's effect in reducing

aflatoxin poisoning.

 

What about mercury fillings, stents, joint replacements–things that

people are concerned that might be affected by the NCD?

 

The zeolite in the Natural Cellular Defense attracts and traps small,

highly-charged particles that fit into the pores and channels of the

zeolite cage. Understand that this is a passive process – when the

zeolite is in close proximity to these compounds, they will be drawn

to the zeolite and either absorbed into the cage or adsorbed onto the

surface of the zeolite. There is no chemical activity in this process.

The zeolite will not be drawn to compounds in an effort to 'rip'

metals away from them. In other words, the zeolite will not leach

mercury from dental amalgams. If, on the other hand, the amalgams have

already released free mercury into the system, the zeolite will have

the ability to trap and remove it.

 

Again, the activity of the zeolite is entirely passive. It will not

attack dental fillings, hip replacements, breast implants, etc.. In an

entirely passive process, the zeolite will act like a magnet - drawing

high affinity atoms and compounds to itself.

 

What about toxemia?

 

Toxemia or septicemia is a blood-bourn infection and, as I said

before, the direct effect of the zeolite is its ability to regulate

pH. As the pH becomes more alkaline the body reaches a healthier

state. The immune system is stronger and more stable, so can better

handle infection. Also, bacteria don't grow well in an alkaline

environment. So bacteria, yeast and parasites are not going to grow

well and they'll really be knocked out of the body because of this effect.

 

Can it be used safely with eyes, ears, nose, rectal implants,

douches–those sorts of things?

 

Well, this is an oral supplement, so our recommendation is to use it

orally. There have been several studies where it was dosed both

topically for a variety of different issues, and also placed in the

nose, eyes and ears. Now, in the eyes, it will cause a burning

sensation in the eyes because it does draw water into itself.

 

One of the effects of the zeolite is to adsorb or absorb water, and I

think there will be burning and an irritation of the eye. It's not

dangerous in any way, but if someone decided they wanted to try it and

drop it in their eyes, it will cause a burning sensation.

 

What about side effects or contraindications?

 

There are very few side effects and contraindications. The main side

effect is that as the body rids itself of these toxins, it will also

rid itself of some water and so there's a slight diuretic effect and

99% of the complaints that anybody might have on the product are

directly the result of dehydration. So when you're taking the product,

simply drink more water. Drink eight to ten glasses of water a day,

and there are very few (if any) side effects from the product.

 

Sometimes people report that they begin to feel a little sicker or

hurt a little more when they first start using this. Is there any

explanation for that?

 

Yes. Certainly, classic detox syndromes are caused when metal or other

toxins are freed up from sequestration and now are available to the

body. And as I said before, the body tries to take these toxins and

wall them up with tissue or with fat. When those molecules become free

to exchange with the environment, they can cause all kinds of havoc,

and many detoxification products are laxative-based or diuretic-based

and pull these toxins out and they do a lot of damage on their way

out, so you have these classic detox symptoms.

 

The NCD works differently. By sequestering the toxins inside the cage,

it has very little exposure to the outside, so causing very little

damage–but if you're a highly toxic system, then some of these

elements, some of these molecules will be freed from sequestration and

might exchange into and out of the cage. For example, the zeolite has

greater affinity for cadmium than for lead–so say, you pulled out a

bunch of lead and then it came into contact with cadmium, it would

dislodge the lead in favor of the cadmium, so you might have some

excess lead that now is free to react.

 

Now this is in a very small percent of the population–probably only

about 1% of the people taking the product have some sort of detox

syndrome because of it, and in essence all it is, is the effects of

the toxins being shaken up in the body–kind of like stirring the pot,

when everything is available and everything is out there, which makes

it more available to the zeolite, so you can detoxify faster, but you

will have some of these detox syndromes. The recommendation is simply

to drink plenty of water, keep taking the product and you'll feel

much, much better, much quicker.

 

Now, you mentioned before that 40% is used in the bowel, 60% in the

kidney, and there is some discussion about nitrosamines.

 

Absolutely. Certainly about 40% of the zeolite is active in the

digestive tract and excreted through fecal matter. Sixty percent can

be measured as being absorbed in the bloodstream and is excreted

through the kidneys and through urine. One of the actions in the

digestive tract is its ability to attract to itself nitrosamines,

adsorb them, and pull them out of the body. Nitrosamines are compounds

that are found in cooked meats and have been indicated in increased

risk for colon cancer. So it's important to know that we're pulling

these out of the body.

 

What's the shelf life? You had mentioned that this is an invincible

molecule. Is there anything you can't take this in or use this with?

 

As I said before, for all practical purposes the molecule is

invincible. It takes about 900 degrees and about five hours to crack

this molecule. The only thing we can do is, when we activate it, we

heat it to very high temperatures and we elongate the bond so we can

spread the bond, you can make it a bigger cage in an effort to empty

out the cage and activate it, but we can't crack the molecule. It's

also amphoteric, which means it exists just as well in acid as in

base, so you can put it in hot food, cold food, you can freeze it,

defrost it, you can do pretty much anything to this and you are not

going to change the efficacy of the product.

 

And there's 100% removal of the zeolite from the body. None of it

stores anywhere in your system when you take it?

 

Yes, there's no place for the zeolite to deposit. There's 100%

excretion somewhere within the 4 - 7 hour time frame.

 

Somebody asked me if this was going to be affected by the CODEX thing,

if that ever happens. How do you respond to that?

 

Not really. CODEX is under the World Health Organization and under the

UN and most of the concerns with the CODEX have to do the vitamin and

mineral content and the amounts of vitamins and minerals based on RDA.

Recommended Daily Allowances were first created to have a minimum in

the body. For example, Vitamin C, the RDA is 60 mg. so if you get 60

mg. of vitamin C on a daily basis, you won't get scurvy, you won't be

deficient in that vitamin C. And the argument with the CODEX is the

fact that they're saying that the RDA should be the maximum allowable

in the dietary supplement or maximum recommended in the dietary

supplement–not the minimum–and became the big sticky point. But the

CODEX doesn't really affect herbal products and doesn't really affect

non-supplements. The zeolite is not truly a supplement; it doesn't

supplement the diet. It doesn't bring anything into the body. It's a

detoxifying agent and the simplest way to think about it, is that

you're ingesting a clean cage and you're excreting a dirty one.

 

Got it. How much should a person take, if they're just taking this, in

general?

 

In general, for a basically healthy individual, we recommend a detox

dose of 10 drops, three times a day for one to two weeks. That will

detoxify the body and then they can drop the dose to 3 drops, three

times a day–and it is recommended that you detox or use that higher

dose anywhere from once to twice a year.

 

Now, I was on the higher dose and it took me six weeks to notice a

major clearing of brain fog. How long could you take a higher dose, if

you can afford to?

 

Really, as long as you want to. There is no upper limit for the

product. It's considered to be completely safe and non-toxic, so

everything really becomes about cost efficiency.

 

What can people say about this? Explain the difference, if you would,

what someone could say about a drug and what someone can say about a

nutritional?

 

Well, in essence, a drug is allowed to make disease state claims. A

nutritional can never make a claim as to the treatment or prevention

of any symptom or disease. Those are drug claims.

 

So mostly what we talk about is supporting a healthy system,

supporting a healthy immune system, supporting a healthy kidney and

liver system, the support of healthy pH levels in the body, the

support of proper detoxification of the body. These are all claims

that are allowed to be made.

 

And this is a mineral that it is in the government's GRAS list. What

does that mean?

 

In the FDA, in the code of federal regulations they have something

called GRAS status (Generally Recognized as Safe), and this particular

zeolite, the aluminum silicate, is listed as GRAS, which is recognized

to be safe to be used in food and food additives.

 

And ours is a mined source, versus that which is extracted from

plants? Is there a difference?

 

Yes, ours is mined, but there really isn't a difference. One of the

points that was made is that there are botanical sources,

zeolites—plants that pull it up. Certainly, zeolites are used in

fertilizer and things like that because it can pull into the plants,

but it's a much more efficient way to get this particular zeolite as a

mined source.

 

Are there any final thoughts or comments that you would like to make?

 

We've said it before and I'll say it again, this is not a panacea.

This is something we know works through a physical mechanism of

action. People who do give it a chance, people who use it, are going

to see profound effects in their health and their wellness.

 

I'd like to thank you for your time, Rik. This has been a very

enlightening and fruitful conversation.

 

Always my pleasure, Winder. Thank you very much.