This says it all

[Guest guest]

My sentiments completely, I am sending it every where I can. In fact have

allready sent 6 people. I would like to have a dollar for everytime I have

expressed myself about the take over of our country . It is like it is up for

grabs. I never hear or see the white house saying anything. Why doesn't the

white how rise up and express this letter or something like it???????? It

makes me angry because I think they do not for votes. One nation under God,

god was here before we were how can we take him out.

 

When I was a kid, we saluted the flag every day, it was just what was done,

We sang the National anthem, America the Beautiful, and another song I

seem to have forgotten. This is the way it should be no questions asked. This

is America and there are plenty of forces at work to destroy it. sharon

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/10/2003 3:07:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,

kerley983 writes:

 

> One nation under God,

> god was here before we were how can we take him out.

>

>

 

One little thing I would like to point out... " Under God " was added this

century in the 1940's I doth believe. It was added as part of McCarthy's

Anti-Communism fanaticism. See, it was his point that God only loved Americas

and

Americans, not the evil Commies.

 

All a bunch of crap of course... If you believe in God then you have to

believe in the precepts that God Loves All people and not just Americans. It's

not

really a phrase that has a purpose except to divide/separate, which of course

is what MacCarthy intended. , in my opinion.

 

K

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Woobeys: The Loving Touch Therapeutic Pillow

http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't usually voice a political opinion because politics and religion usually

cause a stir on the lists but I just felt compelled to forward this. Some will

probably disagree but that is what makes our country what it is. The right to

disagree.

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Nancy<nlee5152

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Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:36 AM

This says it all

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Story in Tampa Paper

 

 

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to

make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to

live in America because it is the Country of Choice???????? Think about

it........

 

All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate

Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer say

Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas

vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS

occurs over the Christmas holiday?? We've gone so far the other way, bent over

backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that

no one has a problem with that.

 

This says it all!

 

 

 

 

 

After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim

woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is an

editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did

quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

 

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about

whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist

attacks on Sept.. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority

of Americans.. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the

" politically correct " crowd began complaining about the possibility that our

patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is

seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely

made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those

who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to

understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only

to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our

own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This

culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by

millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

 

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,

or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society,

learn the language!

 

" In God We Trust " is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing,

political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on

Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is

certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends

you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home,

because God is part of our culture.

 

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should

seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our

culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did

things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.

Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we

will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining,

whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way

of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American

freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

 

If you agree -- pass this along; if you don't agree -- delete it!

 

AMEN

I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also,

sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here is my take on it all ...

 

 

 

> Story in Tampa Paper

 

 

> Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we

continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other

countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of

Choice???????? Think about it........

 

 

Not always forced on us by those from other countries, there are a lot

of grumbly folks who were born here ;-p I actually think folks who come

from other countries appreciate what we have the ability to do here. I

snipped the rest of the stuff on this topic for " bandwidth " but I really

do feel that most folks I've met who have come here legally go out of

their way to become a part of our country and make it a better place to

live and live the American Dream themselves. More often its the folks

who are born here that take it for granted, or put a strange spin on it,

or just complain and be lazy.

 

> All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I

celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can

no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's

not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this

winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday?? We've gone so

far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am

now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.

 

 

Okay. First off - I'm not Christian (even though my name is Christine

, but I have no problem with folks saying Merry Christmas or little

kids having a Christmas tree in their classroom, etc ... I think if a

little kid in that same school wants to put their own little seasonal

holiday symbol up in class they should be allowed to also. If a Jewish

child wants to teach the class the daedal song along with the class

singing carol of O' Christmas tree - awesome, or if there is a Ramadan

song, or Hindu winter holiday song, etc, etc ...

 

I think everyone - EVERYONE has to stop being so darn offended. Gotta

get over it. The world is an offensive place. " fair " is a child's word

It was " unfair " - Ah well. We survive ;-p Try to do something about

it, but don't be offended.

 

And I also think folks have to start to learn about each other a bit

more too! There is a whole other discussion on some other lists about

how the gov't is giving moneys to religious organizations for charity

work/helping the poor, and then when the head of the White House Office

of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives agency was asked about if

Pagans faith based groups will get any of the money some gov't guy said

" I haven't run into a pagan faith-based group yet, much less a pagan

group that cares for the poor! " Now that was just stupid of him to say,

and why did he say such a dumb thing - cause he doesn't know any better.

Like a lot of folks, they just don't know any better ....

 

So not only Christians are having problems out there - there is no free

ride for anyone. Those who had ALL the voice for the longest time get

mad when anyone steps on their toes (and people ARE indeed being dumb in

their toe stepping) and those who never had any voice for the longest

time are mad when anyone steps on THEIR toes (and once again people ARE

indeed being dumb in their toe stepping) .. so everyone is mad, and

grumpy and complaining *LOL* ..

 

I say they ALL need cinnamon bark suppositories to wake them up and let

them know what REAL anal discomfort is ... ;-p And then they have to go

to dancing school so they learn to not step on toes (and HEY that

cinnamon suppository might help a few stiff folks learn to dance too

*lol*) !

 

*Wink*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Very well said Chris,

I live in a area where Hasidic Jewish people come for the summer, our

population triples, they don't speak to us, and it can be nerve

racking at times,however I witness some of the most horrific comments

said to them by the locals,throwing rocks and things at them because

they stop their cars at sundown and walk down the highway, its ugly

and the worst is that much of this is done by other Jews.

Gea

 

, " Christine Ziegler "

<chrisziggy@e...> wrote:

> I say they ALL need cinnamon bark suppositories to wake them up and

let

> them know what REAL anal discomfort is ... ;-p And then they have

to go

> to dancing school so they learn to not step on toes (and HEY that

> cinnamon suppository might help a few stiff folks learn to dance too

> *lol*) !

>

> *Wink*

> Chris (list mom)

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

[Guest guest]

Geez, Seems like everyone got stuck on the same paragraph. All I want is for

new Americans to at least try to learn the language of the place they call home.

I didn't mean they shouldn't be loved and welcomed. I should have trimmed the

darn post!!!!! From now on I'll keep my opinion to myself and be happy with

that. I thought public flogging went out of style. Guess I was wrong.

MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

Evelyn

Alternasense Skin Design Products

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WoobeyQueen<WoobeyQueen

< >

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:26 PM

Re: Fw: This says it all

 

 

In a message dated 12/10/2003 3:07:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,

kerley983<kerley983 writes:

 

> One nation under God,

> god was here before we were how can we take him out.

>

>

 

One little thing I would like to point out... " Under God " was added this

century in the 1940's I doth believe. It was added as part of McCarthy's

Anti-Communism fanaticism. See, it was his point that God only loved Americas

and

Americans, not the evil Commies.

 

All a bunch of crap of course... If you believe in God then you have to

believe in the precepts that God Loves All people and not just Americans. It's

not

really a phrase that has a purpose except to divide/separate, which of course

is what MacCarthy intended. , in my opinion.

 

K

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Woobeys: The Loving Touch Therapeutic Pillow

http://www.woobeyworld.com<http://www.woobeyworld.com/>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Evelyn,

 

No worries. Be happy! To paraphrase what you said when you posted it -

everyone gets their knickers in a twist about religion and politics ..

and their favorite football team I know we have a list of diverse

thinking, intelligent folks here and I know we can respect each other's

right to have a difference of opinions agree to disagree and not let it

become an upsetting focal point of the day or week or year. We ARE what

makes the world such a wonderful and exciting place to live!

 

Now ... on with the show ...

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

Evelyn Millican [edandevmil]

Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:20 AM

 

Re: Fw: This says it all

 

 

Geez, Seems like everyone got stuck on the same paragraph. All I want

is for new Americans to at least try to learn the language of the place

they call home. I didn't mean they shouldn't be loved and welcomed. I

should have trimmed the darn post!!!!! From now on I'll keep my opinion

to myself and be happy with that. I thought public flogging went out of

style. Guess I was wrong.

MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

Evelyn

Alternasense Skin Design Products

www.alternasense.com<http://www.alternasense.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chris,

You are one cool lady. I'd love ya even if you were fuchsia with green stripes.

Although I must admit that fuchsia is one of my favorite colors. I hope all is

forgiven. I never intended to hurt anyone's feelings.

MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

Evelyn

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Christine Ziegler<chrisziggy

< >

Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:54 AM

RE: Fw: This says it all

 

 

 

Hey Evelyn,

 

No worries. Be happy! To paraphrase what you said when you posted it -

everyone gets their knickers in a twist about religion and politics ..

and their favorite football team I know we have a list of diverse

thinking, intelligent folks here and I know we can respect each other's

right to have a difference of opinions agree to disagree and not let it

become an upsetting focal point of the day or week or year. We ARE what

makes the world such a wonderful and exciting place to live!

 

Now ... on with the show ...

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com<http://www.alittleolfactory.com/>

 

 

 

Evelyn Millican [edandevmil]

Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:20 AM

< >

Re: Fw: This says it all

 

 

Geez, Seems like everyone got stuck on the same paragraph. All I want

is for new Americans to at least try to learn the language of the place

they call home. I didn't mean they shouldn't be loved and welcomed. I

should have trimmed the darn post!!!!! From now on I'll keep my opinion

to myself and be happy with that. I thought public flogging went out of

style. Guess I was wrong.

MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

Evelyn

Alternasense Skin Design Products

www.alternasense.com<http://www.alternasense.com/<http://www.alternasensecom<htt\

p://www.alternasense.com/>>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't post often, but thought I'd share an incident that happened when

my dd ws in 6th grade (about 7 years ago)

 

Instead of having a Christmas tree and such the classroom had a few days

of sharing about various traditions of their faith. For instance, one

Jewish boys brought in potato latkes and shared about Hanukah. They

learned about other religions if there was no one in the class of that

faith, too. Everything was covered EXCEPT Christianity. Fortunately, I

didn't know about this until after the fact.

 

Then, late in the spring the class had an indoor recess because of rain.

The kids were playing games and such. My daughter was sitting with 3 or

4 of her friends, discussing their churches, what they were learning,

what things, meant, etc. They were all Christian girls, just went to

different churches. Well, the teacher came by and told them they

couldn't talk about church because it might offend someone!

 

WELL, needless to say, when she told me about this I called and made an

appt. with the teacher. These girls were not trying to convert others,

they were just having a conversation among themselves. The principal was

on my side, but the teacher held her ground for a while. Finally, after

several discussions and me saying I would take this further, she agreed

to apologize to the girls. I often wonder how she treated students in

the future, but I know that she was wrong. Had she stopped a group of

Muslim or Jewish children from discussing something among themselves,

I'm sure there would have been a lot of trouble!!

 

Just my humble opinion,

Jan

 

 

Christine Ziegler wrote:

 

> Here is my take on it all ...

>

>

>

> > Story in Tampa Paper

>

> I think if a little kid in that same school wants to put their own

> little seasonal holiday symbol up in class they should be allowed to

> also. If a Jewish child wants to teach the class the daedal song along

> with the class singing carol of O' Christmas tree - awesome, or if

> there is a Ramadan song, or Hindu winter holiday song, etc, etc ...

[Guest guest]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

 

I am not Christian. I am a witch and It is wrong not to include Christianity in

with the other religions. Period. If you do one, you do them all equally. My

children are of all faiths. I can and do cook Kosher for a couple of them. No

matter where they wanted to go for prayer, we took them. Both my hubby and I

studied their faiths with them and encouraged them to make their own paths.

Hubby is a Mason and a Shriner and it has made for some lively discussions.

 

JM2C

Linda

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Jan Gifford

Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:59 AM

Re: Fw: This says it all

 

 

 

I don't post often, but thought I'd share an incident that happened when

my dd ws in 6th grade (about 7 years ago)

 

Instead of having a Christmas tree and such the classroom had a few days

of sharing about various traditions of their faith. For instance, one

Jewish boys brought in potato latkes and shared about Hanukah. They

learned about other religions if there was no one in the class of that

faith, too. Everything was covered EXCEPT Christianity. Fortunately, I

didn't know about this until after the fact.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I applaud you and your husband. Oh, that we could be like children.

MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

Evelyn

Alternasense Skin Design Products

www.alternasense.com<http://www.alternasense.com/>

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lillizard.com<lillizard

< >

Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:08 PM

Re: Fw: This says it all

 

 

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

 

I am not Christian. I am a witch and It is wrong not to include Christianity

in with the other religions. Period. If you do one, you do them all equally.

My children are of all faiths. I can and do cook Kosher for a couple of them.

No matter where they wanted to go for prayer, we took them. Both my hubby and I

studied their faiths with them and encouraged them to make their own paths.

Hubby is a Mason and a Shriner and it has made for some lively discussions.

 

JM2C

Linda

-

Jan Gifford

< >

Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:59 AM

Re: Fw: This says it all

 

 

 

I don't post often, but thought I'd share an incident that happened when

my dd ws in 6th grade (about 7 years ago)

 

Instead of having a Christmas tree and such the classroom had a few days

of sharing about various traditions of their faith. For instance, one

Jewish boys brought in potato latkes and shared about Hanukah. They

learned about other religions if there was no one in the class of that

faith, too. Everything was covered EXCEPT Christianity. Fortunately, I

didn't know about this until after the fact.

 

[Guest guest]

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

- Isaac Asimov