Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 George v. Harry via Paul Benoit : " President Bush, comparing himself to President Truman and the war against Islamic radicals to the Cold War. Speaking at West Point the other day, the president said in both cases, we have been fighting " followers of a murderous ideology that despises freedom, crushes all descent, has territorial ambitions and pursues totalitarian aims. " " In comparing himself to President Truman, Mr. Bush pointed to the ways both have responded to threats to the United States. There is one difference worth noting, however. That would be that President Truman didn't invade anybody the way President Bush invaded Iraq. " - Jack Cafferty, CNN Anchor Let the Bush-Truman debate begin... Bush: I glance at the headlines, just to get kind of a flavor. I rarely read the stories. Truman: A president either is constantly on top of events or, if he hesitates, events will soon be on top of him. ------------ Bush: Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. Truman: In the circumstances, alarm is justified. The man who isn't alarmed simply doesn't understand the situation---or he is crazy. But alarm is one thing, and hysteria is another. Hysteria impels people to destroy the very thing they are struggling to preserve. ------------ Bush: We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. um...... There's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out. Truman: He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides. ------------ Bush: The FISA law was written in 1978. We're having this discussion in 2006. It's a different world. And FISA is still an important tool. It's an important tool. And we still use that tool. But also...and we...look, I said, look, is it possible to conduct this program under the old law? And people said, it doesn't work in order to be able to do the job we expect us to do. Truman: It's plain hokum. If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em. It's an old political trick. But this time it won't work. ------------ Bush: Because the... all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those...changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be...or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Truman: Why, this fellow don't know any more about politics than a pig knows about Sunday. ------------ Bush: There are some who feel like that if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they are talking about if that's the case. Let me finish. There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring 'em on. Truman: Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you'll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes and perhaps a supporter below. ------------ Score: Bush 0 Truman 6 - Bill in Portland Maine " I don't give 'em hell, I just tell the truth and they think it's hell. " - Harry Truman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 " followers of a murderous ideology that despises freedom, crushes all descent, has territorial ambitions and pursues totalitarian aims. " Somehow I am minded of Rumsvelt, Wolfovitz and the " New American Century, " and yes; I'd agree that this pretty much sums up the rest of the world's estimate of a terrorist too... Michael On Behalf Of dar Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:26 PM 9 AltMed George v. Harry George v. Harry via Paul Benoit : " President Bush, comparing himself to President Truman and the war against Islamic radicals to the Cold War. Speaking at West Point the other day, the president said in both cases, we have been fighting " followers of a murderous ideology that despises freedom, crushes all descent, has territorial ambitions and pursues totalitarian aims. " " In comparing himself to President Truman, Mr. Bush pointed to the ways both have responded to threats to the United States. There is one difference worth noting, however. That would be that President Truman didn't invade anybody the way President Bush invaded Iraq. " - Jack Cafferty, CNN Anchor Let the Bush-Truman debate begin... Bush: I glance at the headlines, just to get kind of a flavor. I rarely read the stories. Truman: A president either is constantly on top of events or, if he hesitates, events will soon be on top of him. ------------ Bush: Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. Truman: In the circumstances, alarm is justified. The man who isn't alarmed simply doesn't understand the situation---or he is crazy. But alarm is one thing, and hysteria is another. Hysteria impels people to destroy the very thing they are struggling to preserve. ------------ Bush: We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. um...... There's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out. Truman: He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides. ------------ Bush: The FISA law was written in 1978. We're having this discussion in 2006. It's a different world. And FISA is still an important tool. It's an important tool. And we still use that tool. But also...and we...look, I said, look, is it possible to conduct this program under the old law? And people said, it doesn't work in order to be able to do the job we expect us to do. Truman: It's plain hokum. If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em. It's an old political trick. But this time it won't work. ------------ Bush: Because the... all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those...changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be...or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Truman: Why, this fellow don't know any more about politics than a pig knows about Sunday. ------------ Bush: There are some who feel like that if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they are talking about if that's the case. Let me finish. There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring 'em on. Truman: Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you'll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes and perhaps a supporter below. ------------ Score: Bush 0 Truman 6 - Bill in Portland Maine " I don't give 'em hell, I just tell the truth and they think it's hell. " - Harry Truman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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