Guest guest Posted January 27, 2003 Report Share Posted January 27, 2003 Hi Anya, Your input is appreciated .. but I must comment to ensure that those who might not take the time to follow through and check out the URLs below, URLs that may appear to be informative .. are not misinformed on safety aspects for dermal application .. which is the discussion at hand. The URLs listed below are informative but they have not one thing to do with dermal use of Nigella sativa .. nor do they provide any information or even suggestion of it being harmful .. they just contain a lot of info. > Butch, Asira > You might want to reconsider using BC oil topically... When I see some credible information to support it being harmful, I'll not only reconsider its use .. but reconsider selling it at all .. but I'm sure that is never going to be the case. Nigella sativa is an oil I have given a lot of time and effort checking with some real experts on Nigella, none of which live in the West, for the last seven years. So .. below are my personal opinions on the URLs presented .. and I'd welcome different opinions on this. http://www.heilkun.de/science/1997/9197967.htm This URL has no substance .. its but a heading and PERHAPS a report of one male having experienced contact dermatitis from the plant or oil that is the title of the page .. Nigella sativa. But it seems generic and the last two categories are Plant Extracts and Oils, Volatile .. which in the case of Nigella .. its the former .. so I miss the value. http://www.egora.fr/Tox-In/TOXIANGL/PROTOCOL/PLANTES/INDEXDER/INDEXJN.HTM This one .. it has even less meaning to me. Its but a laundry list of plants that are supposed to have been " Responsible " for skin reactions. Covering plants J through N .. and I see it starts with Jasmine and then Lavender and works down from there. But when one clicks on one of the reactions .. the same generic description of the reaction pops up. If we click to the Main Page of this URL .. we find an index of plants and a laundry list of possible problems .. again, very generic and one that can be found in most any novel on AT or EOs .. and when we click on Plants and Dermatitis we go to Plant Induced Skin Reactions and find the biggest CYA statement yet .. a statement that is very elementary and has very little meaning, " Skin reactions may occur after direct or indirect contact with the plant or plant extract (cosmetics etc..) " Such a CYA statement can be made for ANY plant known to mankind .. bar NONE! Without knowing what this is .. what this list means and what they are trying to tell us other than " It's possible for some folks to have skin reactions to some plants sometimes " .. which is how I read it .. then I don't see where this should make folks want to reconsider using Nigella. http://www.caravanetresor.com/holy_pharmacy.htm This Commercial URL is rather interesting. And its a marketing gimick. I see under Black Cumin (they mispelled Cumin) where .. " At least one case of dermatitis has been reported from contact with the oil of black cummin.(22) " .. and that's nice info .. but I don't see where it would be sufficient to cause folks to reconsider dermal use of the oil because there is not ONE PLANT or ONE OIL in existence that has not caused SOME PEOPLE with sensitive skin to experience contact dermatitis .. or some form of irritation. Even touching many berries or shellfish or commonly eaten foods can do this .. and some folks are allergic .. which is to me as good a word as we can use to describe why 1 in 10,000 folks have a problem with a particular substance .. to life in general. But there is no data to be found ANYWHERE here that lists Nigella sativa as a common irritant .. or as an oil that commonly causes contact dermatitus .. and it is NOT a known sensitizer. Click on Olive Oil .. you'll see their misinformation on production and refinement. I read this as I read the Young Living advertisements .. our EO are finer than others because humma-humma and schuffle-schuffle. Click on Black Seed .. and it takes you to Sweet Sunnah. Understand that this is an Islamic site .. and it will only take you to Islamic sellers. I know the lady who runs Sweet Sunnah .. name is Nurah .. and a nice lady she is. Her products are quality products. But .. that's not the point of my tit-for-tat in our Devil's Advocate play here. ;-p http://strimbeck.faculty.jsc.vsc.edu/FamilyPages/Ranunculaceae/Ranunculaceae.htm This URL discusses the Family Ranunculaceae .. which by the way .. is a Genus of OVER 400 species of annuals, biennals, and mainly decidous, sometimes evergreen, perennials. Its commonly called the Buttercup or Crowfoot Family .. generally plants of this Family are found around the Northern Hemisphere of the planet. Nigella is one of those over 400 species. But I doubt if I can find ONE Family of plants in existence that does not have some dangerous species as well as some valuable therapeutic species. And we don't have to look for Families with 400 members to find this .. we can find it in Families with but 25 members .. like Mentha .. the Mints. And many others. If I want to use URLs are references .. I can add: http://www.slip.net/~mcdavis/dbas9697/98638377.htm Against Cancer http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/nigella.html Many Valuable Uses http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/f/fenflo04.html Mrs. Grieve http://fisher.bio.umb.edu/pages/fatimah/fatimah.htm This one has some fair info .. recommend you click on Conclusions http://www.botany.com/nigella.html The old fall-back on it Botany.com My vigor in presenting the other side to this subject is not due to me wanting to be a disagreeable rascal .. but rather it has to do with my credibility .. that is important to me. If I am suggesting folks use an oil on their skin that is harmful, then I'm just another Gary Young. The main point is .. Nigella sativa is NOT a known irritant, NOT an oil that commonly causes contact dermatitis .. anymore than is Lavender, and it is NOT an oil that is known to cause sensitization .. in fact, I've never heard of anyone having a negative experience with Nigella sativa and it is a plant that has been cultivated and used in this part of the world for thousands or years .. and still commonly in use today. To say that we should reconsider might be wise except that we are all in the game of using plant extracts .. so we need to identify those that are harmful vs those that someone, sometime, has had a problem with. I see this as no different than saying we should reconsider air travel as its a known fact that some folks have died while riding airplanes. I AM NOT cavalier when it comes to safe use of essential oils. I don't sell ONE essential oil that is a known sensitizer or irritant. After a few years of resistence in the face of demands, I did agree to offer Bergamot .. and I offer safety information to every buyer .. same as I do with the very helpful but very toxic Pennyroyal .. a plant that has far more benefits than danger .. we just don't ingest it. If someone can show me that Nigella sativa is an oil that folks should be wary of using dermally, I will stop offering it. But I believe that there is no such information available in the entire world. IF folks want to have at their fingertips the ONLY reference manual I'm aware of showing scientifically tested safe levels of dilution of oils regarding irritation, photo-sensitization, sensitization and toxicity, that safety manual is " Plant Aromatics " . This is a compilation of data researched over many years by Martin Watt, Cert. Phyt. Medical Herbalist & Essential Oil Educator. The primary source of this research was the RIFM. (Research Institute for Fragrance Materials) and their sister organisation the IFRA. (International Fragrance Research Association). I will say that Nigella sativa is not mentioned in Plant Aromatics .. and I can only assume that's because there have never been any known problems with it .. so it was not tested. Its not a volatile oil but it is used in cosmetics .. so it would be of interest to the RIFM/IFRA. The old edition of Plant Aromatics was $75 .. I have published the new, revised edition and offer it for $43.90 .. it can now be seen/ordered at URL http://www.av-at.com/plantaromaticsavnp.html This is NOT an advertisement .. its a public service announcement. Why not an advertisement? Because there is no competition, therefore, you need to know the only source to obtain it in North and South America. > Anya > http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady > © Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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