OT: Report: U.S. Preparing to Deploy 90,000 Troops to Turkey

December 17, 2002

Hi Butch,

I am glad that you think the Arab cuntries will

support the US that does make me feel better. With all

your experience how long do you think this will last?

And will it be dangerous for the ground troups or get

over quickly.

nightengale

--- Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote: > Hi

y'all,

>

> Below report is sorta interesting .. but there is

> far more to it than

> meets the eye. Bottom line .. the operation in Iraq

> will go down, the

> Arab countries will support the US and Turkey will

> support the US. You

> can take that to the bank. ;-p Butch

> -------

> SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM .. Monday, December 16,

> 2002

>

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_8.html

>

> ANKARA — The United States has informed Turkey it

> wants to begin the

> deployment of 90,000 American troops to six Turkish

> bases for a war

> against Iraq.

>

> (MY NOTE: These would be mostly Air Forces ..

> combat aircraft and the

> required support elements .. and some Special

> Operations Forces.)

>

> Earlier this month, Turkey agreed in principle to

> allow the United

> States to use its bases for a possible military

> campaign against Iraq

> after being promised $3.4 billion in aid.

>

> (MY NOTE: Turkey suffered over TWELVE BILLION in

> losses after the

> pipelines were closed as a result of assisting

> during Desert Storm. The

> US agreed to reimburse them for those losses .. but

> DID NOT! This has

> helped to cause the economic crisis the Turks and I

> feel now.)

>

> On Friday, the authoritative Ankara-based Hurriyet

> daily provided

> extensive details of the U.S. request from Turkey

> for the use of its

> military bases. The newspaper said U.S. intelligence

> and military teams

> have already been deployed along the Iraqi-Turkish

> border to train

> members of the Iraqi opposition for a war against

> Baghdad.

>

> The newspaper said the United States wants to use

> six military bases in

> Turkey, Middle East Newsline reported. A U.S. team

> intends to arrive in

> Turkey over the next week to begin technical and

> logistics preparations

> for the deployment.

>

> Two of the bases would be deemed as command and

> control facilities to

> help direct the war against Iraq. In addition, the

> U.S. Defense

> Department has asked Ankara for permission to use 14

> civilian airports

> for logistics and supplies. The Pentagon also

> requested the use of four

> Turkish sea ports.

>

> Officials said the new government of Prime Minister

> Abdullah Gul has not

> responded to the request. They said Gul and the head

> of the ruling

> Islamic-oriented Justice and Development Party

> Recep, Tayyip Erdogan,

> have been dismayed by what they consider an

> insufficient US compensation

> package for Turkish cooperation with a U.S.-led war

> against Iraq.

>

> So far, Ankara has allowed three teams from the U.S.

> intelligence

> community to operate along the Iraqi-Turkish border.

> Hurriyet said the

> U.S. mission was meant to train the Iraqi opposition

> to participate in

> the war against the regime of President Saddam

> Hussein.

>

> " Ankara expressed reservation over two of these

> ports while remaining

> ports would become the subject of negotiation with

> the American

> administration, " Hurriyet said.

>

> Turkish officials said permission for U.S. military

> deployment would

> come from Parliament, dominated by the Justice and

> Development Party. So

> far, polls report a huge majority of Turks against

> such a deployment.

>

> The U.S. request for Turkish bases comes as Ankara

> has bolstered its

> military presence along the Iraqi border and inside

> northern Iraq.

> Officials have reported troop movement in the area

> of Diyarbakir.

>

> Officials said the Gul government has been

> disappointed with the U.S.

> failure to convince the European Union not to delay

> Turkey's membership.

>

> (MY NOTE: This is for public consumption .. gotta

> stroke the voters.)

>

> Over the weekend, EU leaders said they would not

> consider Turkey's

> accession request until at least December 2004.

>

> In contrast, the EU voted to accept the Republic of

> Cyprus as a member.

>

> (MY NOTE: That is Southern Cyprus - Greek held.

> Northern Cyprus is the

> Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. The Greeks

> have a good lobby. ;-p

>

> Turkey has warned that such a decision would delay

> any resolution of the

> Cypriot crisis.

>

> (MY NOTE .. I can't confirm the accuracy of this

> report .. but its sorta

> interesting. If I had to guess how things will go,

> I'd say the report

> is right on the head of the nail. And the Turks

> will accept what the US

> wants. If the banner is also taken up by NATO ..

> which is most likely

> to happen .. then Turkey must allow the use of

> Incirlik Air Base as it

> is a NATO facility.)

>

> Y'all keep smiling, Butch

> http://www.AV-AT.com

>

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December 17, 2002

Hi y'all,

Below report is sorta interesting .. but there is far more to it than

meets the eye. Bottom line .. the operation in Iraq will go down, the

Arab countries will support the US and Turkey will support the US. You

can take that to the bank. ;-p Butch

-------

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM .. Monday, December 16, 2002

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_8.html

ANKARA — The United States has informed Turkey it wants to begin the

deployment of 90,000 American troops to six Turkish bases for a war

against Iraq.

(MY NOTE: These would be mostly Air Forces .. combat aircraft and the

required support elements .. and some Special Operations Forces.)

Earlier this month, Turkey agreed in principle to allow the United

States to use its bases for a possible military campaign against Iraq

after being promised $3.4 billion in aid.

(MY NOTE: Turkey suffered over TWELVE BILLION in losses after the

pipelines were closed as a result of assisting during Desert Storm. The

US agreed to reimburse them for those losses .. but DID NOT! This has

helped to cause the economic crisis the Turks and I feel now.)

On Friday, the authoritative Ankara-based Hurriyet daily provided

extensive details of the U.S. request from Turkey for the use of its

military bases. The newspaper said U.S. intelligence and military teams

have already been deployed along the Iraqi-Turkish border to train

members of the Iraqi opposition for a war against Baghdad.

The newspaper said the United States wants to use six military bases in

Turkey, Middle East Newsline reported. A U.S. team intends to arrive in

Turkey over the next week to begin technical and logistics preparations

for the deployment.

Two of the bases would be deemed as command and control facilities to

help direct the war against Iraq. In addition, the U.S. Defense

Department has asked Ankara for permission to use 14 civilian airports

for logistics and supplies. The Pentagon also requested the use of four

Turkish sea ports.

Officials said the new government of Prime Minister Abdullah Gul has not

responded to the request. They said Gul and the head of the ruling

Islamic-oriented Justice and Development Party Recep, Tayyip Erdogan,

have been dismayed by what they consider an insufficient US compensation

package for Turkish cooperation with a U.S.-led war against Iraq.

So far, Ankara has allowed three teams from the U.S. intelligence

community to operate along the Iraqi-Turkish border. Hurriyet said the

U.S. mission was meant to train the Iraqi opposition to participate in

the war against the regime of President Saddam Hussein.

" Ankara expressed reservation over two of these ports while remaining

ports would become the subject of negotiation with the American

administration, " Hurriyet said.

Turkish officials said permission for U.S. military deployment would

come from Parliament, dominated by the Justice and Development Party. So

far, polls report a huge majority of Turks against such a deployment.

The U.S. request for Turkish bases comes as Ankara has bolstered its

military presence along the Iraqi border and inside northern Iraq.

Officials have reported troop movement in the area of Diyarbakir.

Officials said the Gul government has been disappointed with the U.S.

failure to convince the European Union not to delay Turkey's membership.

(MY NOTE: This is for public consumption .. gotta stroke the voters.)

Over the weekend, EU leaders said they would not consider Turkey's

accession request until at least December 2004.

In contrast, the EU voted to accept the Republic of Cyprus as a member.

(MY NOTE: That is Southern Cyprus - Greek held. Northern Cyprus is the

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. The Greeks have a good lobby. ;-p

Turkey has warned that such a decision would delay any resolution of the

Cypriot crisis.

(MY NOTE .. I can't confirm the accuracy of this report .. but its sorta

interesting. If I had to guess how things will go, I'd say the report

is right on the head of the nail. And the Turks will accept what the US

wants. If the banner is also taken up by NATO .. which is most likely

to happen .. then Turkey must allow the use of Incirlik Air Base as it

is a NATO facility.)

Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

December 17, 2002

An interesting post Butch.

Things puzzle me - but then I'm just a simple soul!

Turkey is supposed to be a democratic country

> ..................Turkish officials said permission for U.S. military deployment would> come from Parliament, ......... So far, polls report a huge majority of Turks > against such a deployment.

as you say, the majority of Turks are against the war with Iraq

USA is supposed to be a democratic country - we understand here that at least 40% of Americans are against the war with Iraq (OK I know that that is a minority!)

UK is supposed to be a democratic country - A huge majority of Brits are against the war with Iraq

It's been announced today that we are preparing troops for desert warfare (as if we didn't know that's been going on for a long time)

I just feel sad about the whole thing and don't want to start off a political debate or offend anyone on this list, but I did like this following poem that my husband picked up from another group

Regards

Ann

This was posted by a partially disabled American war veteran:"Remember the song we sang at camp,"If You're Happy And You Know It Clap Your Hands"?Here are the new words to that tune:If we cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.If the markets hurt your Mama, bomb Iraq.If the terrorists are SaudiAnd the bank takes back your AudiAnd the TV shows are bawdy,Bomb Iraq.If the corporate scandals growin', bomb Iraq.And your ties to them are showin', bomb Iraq.If the smoking gun ain't smokin'We don't care, and we're not jokin'.That Saddam will soon be croakin',Bomb Iraq.Even if we have no allies, bomb Iraq.From the sand dunes to the valleys, bomb Iraq.So to hell with the inspections;Let's look tough for the elections,Close your mind and take directions,Bomb Iraq.While the globe is slowly warming, bomb Iraq.Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq.If the ozone hole is growing,Some things we prefer not knowing.(Though our ignorance is showing),Bomb Iraq.So here's one for dear old daddy, bomb Iraq,From his favorite little laddy, bomb Iraq.Saying no would look like treason.It's the Hussein hunting season.Even if we have no reason,Bomb Iraq."