EOs as dangerous liver destroyers *was* Wintergreen and Sweet Birch

[Guest guest]

(I don't think this went through the first time)

 

At 05:51 PM 12/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>> In my opinion, both the above have far too much Methyl salicyclate

>> because folks suffering from arthritis and other lingering pain are

>> going to continue to use them .. that's the problem. The effects are

>> cumulative.

 

As someone who has been sniffing and using oils for decades, I'll admit it

has only been in the past five years or so I became aware that the

so-called 'innocuous' oils also can affect the liver in a very negative way.

 

 

>they can be toxic if used inappropriately...all essential oils are solvents-

>and solvents are toxic to the liver!

 

That's the bottom line -- all EOs are solvents, and toxic to the liver, a

fact rarely written about in the AT books. When it became apparent to me

that I could be damaging my liver, I started on a program to help tone and

support the liver, using silimarin, schizandra and alpha lipoic acid on a

daily basis.

 

I recommend all who use the oils to follow a program of eating well and

taking supplements that will support the liver. I always cringe when I hear

of people who diffuse oils every day, just 'because it smells good', or it

raises their spirits. Very dangerous. Use them sparingly, they are powerful

chemicals, and abuse is easier than you think.

 

http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

©

[Guest guest]

Anya,

 

I am somewhat disturbed with the comment that all EOs are solvents

and toxic to the liver, a fact rarely written about in the AT

books. I have only studied EO's for a couple of months, but I use

one, two or three everyday in my learning process of " getting

acquainted " with various EOs. I certainly don't want to disturb the

liver with all the toxins we face in our everyday life already.

 

I use a combination liver/kidney/lymph, etc cleanse homeopathically

every night, but I still don't want to put another load on the liver.

 

So, is it safer then to use the hydrosols and only use the EO's when

absolutely necessary.

 

I've made several blends to aid in sleeping which have been

wonderful, but I will discontinue this also until I understand this

better.

 

Any comments from others will be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Bobbye

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> That's the bottom line -- all EOs are solvents, and toxic to the

liver, a

> fact rarely written about in the AT books. When it became apparent

to me

> that I could be damaging my liver, I started on a program to help

tone and

> support the liver, using silimarin, schizandra and alpha lipoic

acid on a

> daily basis.

>

> I recommend all who use the oils to follow a program of eating

well and

> taking supplements that will support the liver. I always cringe

when I hear

> of people who diffuse oils every day, just 'because it smells

good', or it

> raises their spirits. Very dangerous. Use them sparingly, they are

powerful

> chemicals, and abuse is easier than you think.

>

>

> Anya

> http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

> ©

[Guest guest]

Anya,

 

I am somewhat disturbed with the comment that all EOs are solvents

and toxic to the liver,

 

I wrote that...(michelle, and anya replied and agreed)

 

It means dont overdo it- a " dose " is 1-10 drops in my opinion- 10 being

high...That would be for a full body massage- diluted in a full ounce of

carrier. You dont even really need that much- I might use that much on a

specific local area if someone had something going on.

10 in a bath would be okay- some would say too much, some would say put 40

drops in the bath.

Too many solvents are too much for your body to handle- judicious use is

fine, usually.

1 drop is usually plenty for just about any daily application or inhalation-

and change the oils you use regularly.

Just dont put 5 mls in your bath or use high dilutiions on your body- and be

careful if you are filling a lot of bottles and such- that can be

overwhelming(I know- Ive gotten bad headaches from that- my liver telling me

I d had enough!!)

 

HTH

Michelle

[Guest guest]

At 09:20 PM 12/6/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Anya,

>

>I am somewhat disturbed with the comment that all EOs are solvents

>and toxic to the liver, a fact rarely written about in the AT

>books. I have only studied EO's for a couple of months, but I use

>one, two or three everyday in my learning process of " getting

>acquainted " with various EOs. I certainly don't want to disturb the

>liver with all the toxins we face in our everyday life already.

 

There are many facts about EOs that are omitted from, or incorrectly

stated, in AT books. EOs are solvents. They can dissolve varnish on

furniture, melt low density plastic, etc. Anything you ingest or inhale

that has those properties can harm your liver. Even substances with lesser

properties can harm your liver.

 

>

>I use a combination liver/kidney/lymph, etc cleanse homeopathically

>every night, but I still don't want to put another load on the liver.

>

>So, is it safer then to use the hydrosols and only use the EO's when

>absolutely necessary.

 

Perhaps, I don't know. I rarely use hydrosols. Of course, they have their

own problems with bacterial growth if not properly manufactured/stored, etc.

 

>

>I've made several blends to aid in sleeping which have been

>wonderful, but I will discontinue this also until I understand this

>better.

 

I find that deep breathing and meditation are the best sleep aids. A drop

of lavender or another oil that you find pleasing is nice, I don't see any

reason to stop that. Don't diffuse unless you're ill and need respiratory

help, and then, only for a few minutes at a time. Always minimize EO use,

you'll be safer.

 

It looks like nobody else replied to this Bobbye, so maybe my reply will

stimulate them to if they have any info or opinions.

 

Just remember, we're all self-appointed guinea pigs with EOs. Never before

have so many people - amateurs - had such access to such concentrated

volatile compounds. There is a lot of misuse and overuse going on. EOs are

wonderful, but should be treated like the volatile chemicals they are.

http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

©

[Guest guest]

Dear Anya,

 

Thank you for your reply. I understand what you are saying.

 

I still can't logically put all this together. People who make

soap are smelling the EO's everytime they make a batch. I know

today I made laundry soap, several different bars of soap with

multiple scents. Would wearing a mask help keep the EO's at a

distant?

 

And again, I'm using the cleaning EO blends. There is a minute

amount in an 8 oz. bottle so this maybe safer than diffusing. I

have to think they are safer than the chemicals found in most

cleaning products. I quit diffusing any EO's but I'm using the

hydrosols.

 

I would like to hear other's opinions.

 

On sleep: I agree meditation, exercise, proper diet, deep

breathing, transmutation, prayer are all very valid to maintain

balance. However, there are certain times in one's life when

certain events occur when I choose to use all the help I can get.

I will be more discriminating in using the EO's however.

 

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

 

Bobbye

 

P.S. Chris, your are pregnant. How do you keep from getting OD

making soaps, lotions, oils and other products in which you put EO's?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--

[Guest guest]

Hi Bobbye,

 

I replied to this once and then deleted the whole message. I thought you

would get a good response from others.

 

Okay, let me see how I can put this so I don't sound like a complete idiot

and also so you can understand.

 

Using E.O's is a matter " dosage " . Each E.O. has it's own chemical make-up as

you well know. What we are taught and a lot of us do, is that when using

E.O's on the body for example, to use example: lavender for four days. Then

to limit/minimize any " toxic overdose " we switch to a different oil or oils.

Yes you are going to have chemical overlap, though the chemical make up is

different for each oil.

 

Now all of this is based on a personal tolerance as well. For example: when

I'm pregnant, I don't use E.O.'s very much. But that's MY personal

preference. Others will use them all during pregnancy.

 

Some people will limit their usage of E.O's to the bare minimum and other's

will cheerfully wade in and pretty much ignore it, while at the same time

sticking to the 4 days on-4 days off rule (use a particular oils for four

days and then stay away from it for four days).

 

I hope that helps a little Bobbye AND your Woobey was mailed off today! ;-)

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Woobey Tip: We put the AAAHHHHHH! in Bliss

http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

 

-

<bwstegen

 

Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:00 PM

Re: EOs as dangerous liver destroyers *was*

Wintergreen and Sweet Birch

 

 

> Dear Anya,

>

> Thank you for your reply. I understand what you are saying.

>

> I still can't logically put all this together. People who make

> soap are smelling the EO's everytime they make a batch. I know

> today I made laundry soap, several different bars of soap with

> multiple scents. Would wearing a mask help keep the EO's at a

> distant?

>

> And again, I'm using the cleaning EO blends. There is a minute

> amount in an 8 oz. bottle so this maybe safer than diffusing. I

> have to think they are safer than the chemicals found in most

> cleaning products. I quit diffusing any EO's but I'm using the

> hydrosols.

>

> I would like to hear other's opinions.

>

> On sleep: I agree meditation, exercise, proper diet, deep

> breathing, transmutation, prayer are all very valid to maintain

> balance. However, there are certain times in one's life when

> certain events occur when I choose to use all the help I can get.

> I will be more discriminating in using the EO's however.

>

> Thank you for taking the time to respond.

>

> Bobbye

>

> P.S. Chris, your are pregnant. How do you keep from getting OD

> making soaps, lotions, oils and other products in which you put EO's?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

--

>

>

> How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions

> http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html

>

> To Un send a blank e-mail to:

-

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathleen,

 

I like the four days on of a particular oil/lotion and four days off

or switch.

 

I am glad Anya brought this up to make me think and investigate

further. Before menopause, I never had an allergic reaction to much

of anything except allopathic drugs (which I took very rarely).

Since going thru menopause, I have an iodine intollerance and had to

quit using most makeup products produced commercially and some

herbal products. But I am careful of products I use unless I'm

pretty sure I won't have a horrible reaction.

 

So far, so good with the EO's. But thanks to Anya, I will be wary.

I love learning to make the soaps (very simple so far) with the EO's

and would like to continue. I will ponder how to do this and not

get an overload or overtax my liver.

 

Thank you,

 

Bobbye

 

P.S. Can't wait to see the Woobey

[Guest guest]

> Now all of this is based on a personal tolerance as well. For example:

when

> I'm pregnant, I don't use E.O.'s very much. But that's MY personal

> preference. Others will use them all during pregnancy.

 

 

When pregnant- the liver is already working overtime. I used some EOs when I

was pregnant- but low doses- and definitely not every day- and when I tried

to pour oils(fill bottles) or do any work with them- OVERLOAD- nausea,

vomiting, headache- all signs of an overworked liver.

Your dosage post was nice, Kathleen...

 

Michelle

[Guest guest]

Hi Bobbye, All

 

I've been meaning to get to this for a few days now ....

 

When I make my products, I keep the room ventilated (by keeping the window or door open, maybe have a fan on, even do some stuff outside). During my first trimester when I was scents sensitive it was a lot harder than it is now, cause anything made me nauseous at that time - whether it was the smell of food, or EO"s or anything. I'm really not all that worried about "OD'ing" on EO's as I don't use oils which are toxic by nature such as wintergreen, and I really don't use them all over the body, especially not in heavy concentrations and even when I do use them internally, medicinally or in a food recipe its only a drop or two. I find EO's and their potential threat to be a lot less than say the smell of fueling up at the gas station ... I'm not even worried about them toxifying my liver more so than all the crap in the mainstream foods these days does. And even the idea that they are scary cause they can melt plastic doesn't scare me, cause, well, lye DOESN'T melt the plastic containers it is in, but it DOES melt skin ... so its a point to be considered, but kinda apples to oranges at the same time.

 

I have lots of good liver info from my doc (Anthroposophic Physician Philip Incao, M.D.), I'll dig it out one of these days for y'all He is VERY into the whole "taking care of your liver cause its being assaulted from all fronts" thing

 

Just don't over do it .. no matter what you are doing ... whether it be using EO's, taking herbs, eating, exercising, etc ... Even drinking too much water can kill a person, one just has to be reasonable, moderate, and educated with their choices and their behavior We tend to go to extremes in our culture.

 

I wish I had more time to chat folks, but I'm just swamped over here and trying to take it at a smart pace yet actually get stuff done too!

 

*Smile*Chris (list mom)

 

The Year End Clearance Sale Is Coming Soon!

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

P.S. Chris, your are pregnant. How do you keep from getting OD making soaps, lotions, oils and other products in which you put EO's?

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

 

Thanks for the reply and suggestions. Opening windows and doors is

a great idea.

 

Would love to see your information on cleansing the liver. I'm

always doing something to cleanse and detox. And you are right on

gas fumes. Try living in Atlanta, GA with all the cars and have to

smell the car fumes anywhere you go.

 

Thanks,

 

Bobbye