OT: Getting Involved ** Mercury Retro and I am Hungry ** SORTA LONG

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Hey Ana,

 

I just got my & $%# & @ ;-{ PC back on line after hours of down time - and

this is my first post since then.

 

> All week long last week I just could not focus very much! Lon was all

> stressed which makes me stressed and then I whine or something..

> So when I finally sit down on my computer to read something good I

> come to this group.

 

Agree .. this is a Blue Bird List. Great to read with morning coffee.

I like it for that reason but it doesn't fulfill my total need for info

so I'm a member of other lists that are not so friendly. I often go to

the Ankara Ballet and Opera and Ambassadors's Residence for cocktails -

where I rub elbows with Ministers and Generals and other sorts of stand

up dudes .. but sometimes I prefer sit at my outside pub and suck down a

few beers with folks I have no more in common with other than sucking

down a few beers and tawking crap.

 

> It is such an interesting group of women!

 

Are the men on this list not interesting too? ;-p

 

> I mean everything I like to read about!

 

Great .. glad it makes you smile. But if somebody tells you that you

are doing something dangerous with EOs will you like to read that too?

 

> So anyhow I just quit the IDMA aromatherapty list because I just get

> way too emotional in a fight and there is always fighting there or

> maybe everyone on that group just likes to debate or something..

 

You are 100% right .. the IDMA list has developed a style that includes

dealing with difficult controversies and there are lots of emotional

replies that could sometimes be interpreted as debate. Each list in

existence has its own personality - usually either dictated or created

by the list Administrator. The Oils & Herbs List os a Blue Bird List ..

TLC Toiletries is a pretty friendly Christian oriented soaping list ...

1Toiletries is a cut throat soap list similar to IDMA except IDMA has no

List Moderator - the List Administrators on 1Toiletries wear steel-toed

boots to get more effect when they kick butt. Alaska Soapers is a list

of good friends who live the tough life in Alaska .. and AltAromatherapy

(one I've never joined) is a rough and tumble battle of wills and ill

wills between ego-maniacs and obsessive marketeers. Each is different

but I guarantee that there will be more issues solved on 1Toiletries

when it comes to soaps and cosmetics than on all the others combined ..

same for IDMA when it comes to essential oils and the aromatherapy

industry. IDMA is where the big kids play tough games. Many folks on

that list have been there since its inception .. back in the early 90s.

 

There is NO WAY a new person can come on any list and redirect the mood

and temperament of that list .. they can get their butt fried by trying

if they have thin-skin .. or they can fall in with the folks and put out

some good info. One of the most adamant anti-YL and anti-NAHA voices on

the list now is Victoria Linssen .. but less than one month ago she came

on with a post saying she wished folks would stop all the non-essential

oil discussions as she was bored and had joined to learn about EOs - now

she is in the forefront of the press being put on YL and NAHA.

 

IDMA is a list that makes things happen in the world of aromatherapy.

IDMA is not a list for folks who don't like stressful and intense

discussions or folks who are sensitive to a point that they take offense

or feel insulted when there time in the barrel comes along .. as will

happen when we involve ourselves in any controversy. Its a tough list

and I've written to many newbys who complained on that list .. told'em

that if they couldn't run with the big dawgs they oughta consider

staying up on the porch. I will defend IDMA because I know its value to

the world of aromatherapy and essential oils .. but I won't recommend it

to folks who want to avoid excitement.

 

> And then you know me, I post something from left field which attacks

> everone one!

 

I musta missed that one .. don't recall seeing anything from you that I

would have interpreted as attacking folks. Sometimes its our very own

perceptions we gotta deal with and not others .. and I think you might

be wrong by thinking folks think you attacked anyone. I think there are

some on IDMA who feel attacked if you simply disagree with them. Some

try to act like sugar and spice, attack others in less than subtle ways

and act horrified if you come back with similar treatment. Some are

offensive if they even say good morning .. its their nature. And some

are TOTALLY emotional in all the negative crap they put out .. those are

my favorite ones because sticking their nastiness and bad-attitude back

up their nose without being like them is like taking candy from a baby.

All you gotta do is stick with the facts and avoid emotions .. and they

learn two things from that. They learn they gotta play nice and follow

the rules or they go someplace else - that is, unless they're into pain.

But I didn't see one by you that was attacking anyone.

 

I did, however, see TWO people come on line with posts that had no use

at all except to distract folks from the heated and very important issue

that was being discussed .. that of the decline or death of the ONLY AT

organization in the USA. Those distracting posts were both political in

nature and had exactly nothing to do with the issue of NAHA ... and for

AT folks, NAHA, ARC, TAP and the like are very important issues.

 

We've discussed these issues on and off for MANY years and nothing ever

became of it .. it passed along like smoke and things went back to being

rotten as hell. I for one did not wanna see the discussion sidetracked

for no reason and turn into a political thread which is about as useless

as tits on a boar hawg! But this time, we've been able to cause three

things to happen that will get NAHA's attention and the attention of a

lot of other folks .. and y'all should be happy about this even though

you might think it will not affect you directly, because it WILL!!!!

 

One is the organizing of a conference in Phoenix in October that will

cost next to nothing .. folks can have their tables for nothing .. and

its ONE MONTH after the NAHA conference in Seattle .. one that costs an

arm and a laig and bank debt to attend. These conferences are where we

meet folks we talk with on line .. networking if you will. And where we

can display our products to others and increase our sales. And finally,

its where we can hear some folks talk about things they're knowledgeable

about. I was to speak at the one just held in Raleigh, NC but I backed

out because I wanted to show my lack of support for NAHA .. and I think

that my decision was a good one because it helped some others to make a

similar decision that they knew was the right thing to do.

 

The second is creation of a group that is putting together the mission

statement for a NEW Aromatherapy organization that might replace NAHA.

I am on that private list and I will support them unless I see it going

the direction NAHA has gone. The first smell of power-grabbing and ego

boosting I detect will be the last day I support and the first day I'll

start working to destroy that one too! I told that to the ARC long ago

on the IDMA List .. when they began to plan their activity. Later on, I

decided that they were no more than a scam game of some of the same good

ol' boys and girls that run NAHA .. and that they were offering useless

tests that gave no certification or qualification and charging a helluva

lotta money for those useless tests. And I saw that even some of the

material they were testing was drawn up by schools that are teaching

totally incorrect information .. so how the hell could they know what is

right or wrong? Anyway, today I am publically down on the ARC what I

would do .. not that I think they really care all that much but in time

they might learn to care more.

 

The final thing was just put out a few minutes ago. Lynda and Graham

Sorenson were able to get an article exposing YL and Gary Young posted

on the Health Fraud List ... that is an accomplishment.

 

And Kathleen from this list has taken great steps to expose the comical

and illegal and unsafe activities of Young Living and Gary Young in two

exposes on her On-Line Aromatic Sage magazine .. they are both fantastic

and if y'all are not a member of that $18 a year list then you're only

cheating yourself!!!!

 

> I didn't even know what Raindrop Therapy was until recently and I am

> like, ah yea?

 

Some people have to care enough to get involved .. some people have

either volunteered for or have evolved into or have been elected by

unnannounced vote to champion and stand up for and defend the safe and

sane and ethical use of essential oils .. I am one of the many in this

position and Raindrop Therapy is one of the most important and unsafe

practices in the industry of AT. It is one that has the potential to

take essential oils OUT OF YOUR HANDS and out of the hands of everyone

on this list!!!! I enjoy that role because fighting is what I used to

do for a living .. for more than half my life .. so its nothing new now.

 

I think we all should be proud that folks get involved. And we should

not expect those who get involved to be sacrificial lambs due to lack of

support from the community. I was once listed as #2 on the Young Living

list of public enemies .. and was proud to be there. Even last week, a

very near histerical (methinks) president of NAHA came on line and said

she was bring a lawsuit against 4 folks .. I was one of them. She even

went so far as to misquote the Miranda warning as if she were a cop and

were putting us under arrest .. ;-p But it didn't work - not at all!

 

If folks had called the cops when all the hollering and crap was going

on a few years back, a few folks would not have wound up being cooked

and eaten by Jeffry Dahmer. ;-p

 

This applies also to the many folks who have gotten involved, often at

the risk of their own safety, to help others. Its easy to not do it.

 

I was real lucky in that I had a full-time real-life mission during my

military career. Most troops only have a real-life mission in combat

but Military Police are on the front line in combat and peace time and I

loved every minute of it .. miss it a helluva lot now too. I never ever

told my folks they were expected to die for their country in combat, I

told them their mission was to stay alive and help their buddies do the

same and help the enemy to die for his country. And during peace time,

I always told my cops that it was NOT their job to be friggin targets or

punching bags .. they were put out to prevent the innocent from becoming

victims of the guilty and to put the guilty bastards in hand-irons and

get them off the street. I was always less concerned about responsible

use of force by my cops than I was about one of them being hurt or

killed in the line of duty while trying to do a thankless job for people

who usually scorned them unless they were one of the victims we helped.

 

I got carried away maybe but I was on a thought process of those who do

get involved in the industry of AT or any other area where there are

wrongs to be righted.

 

> " So what do you care what somebody does with their jar of tee tree or

> cinnamon? "

 

I know you didn't mean for that statement to come out as it did .. ;-9

If you did there would be no reason for you to be on any list - this one

included. If folks didn't care enough to tell others when they're doing

something dangerous or just plain dumb then why join a list? If folks

are only gonna nod if you tell them you're gonna ingest Pennyroyal to

take care of a cold (it will work) instead of telling you its great for

dermal application but will kill you daider'n a doorknob if you ingest

it, then why care what others think about neat use of Tea Tree or use at

all of Cinnamon Bark EO?

 

If more folks thought that way (and Young Living teaches that way) then

we would be certain to loose free use of EOs sooner than we might now.

Let ONE newspaper article pop up that discusses some serious harm caused

by essential oils and that will be the catalyst for the Congress to get

their underwear in a knot and push the FDA to do what won't take much

pushing to do anyway .. that of taking away our right to self-medicate,

of putting essential oils into the realm of the AMA and multi-buck,

multi-national pharmaceutical companies - which they want to do anyway.

 

It damn sure won't hurt me if it happens. I live a lotta years afore I

learned what an EO is and I don't need the money from running my company

so the worst thing that could come out of it would be I'd have more time

for fishing and enjoying life.

 

Oh yea .. I'm gonna tell you something you are thinking of doing that is

unsafe - its toward the bottom of this post. ;-p

 

I've come on the Oils & Herbs List more than once and told folks that IDMA

existed and they might wanna join IF they are not thin-skinned and IF

they can handle egos and hassles and peeing contests .. and I've always

said that there is a lot of good information to be found inside all that

crap. There are medical personnel, chemists, producers, exporters, AT

practitioners, attorneys and many other trades and skills represented on

the IDMA List .. and if we wanna see a Rainbow, we gotta stand a little

rain. That's a description of IDMA. I've been a member of IDMA since

1997 and there are a couple of sensitive folks there who can't defend

themselves properly in writing who have called me a bully because I try

to cut throw the bovine excrement and get to the cause of the smell.

I've been an activist for the causes I believe in all my life and the

the ONLY forum around where I can do this for AT or EO is IDMA. It can

happen because the List Pappy does NOT get involved at all. He is not

even concerned about AT or EO .. and he doesn't monitor the list. He

describes it as a discussion between folks sitting around a table and

when we think of it, unless you have invited them all to your back deck

for a bar-be-que, odds are great that any such discussion is gonna have

lots of dissent. But then, I've never learned ONE THING in my entire

life from anyone who thought exactly as I do .. nor have I learned from

folks who pussyfoot their way around difficult and controversial issues.

 

> " You smoke don't you? "

 

Yep .. and got pretty well lit up last night on Efes Beer too but that's

my call what I do to myself .. I don't drive when I drink and I'm a nice

person when I'm lit. Me, a retired Turkish Colonel, a Russian manager

of a natural gas project being built across the Black Sea and a Police

Officer who is the bodyguard of the President of Turkey, drank a lot of

beer and sang peasant/village songs till damn near two in the morning

and then went to eat Chicken Doner Kebab .. ;-p

 

I'm also a courteous smoker .. I don't smoke around anyone who objects

or in the homes of non-smokers. But unsafe and irresponsible use of EO

is a totally different animal IF we want to keep the freedom of use we

have now. Young Living and Raindrop Therapy may well be the reason we

loose this right .. and I'm happy that there are folks like me and many

others who are not apathetic about it .. and who are willing to tell the

President of NAHA that she is doing a terrible job and destroying NAHA.

 

Even after she came on line and told me she had already contacted her

attorney and was bring suit against me .. I went back with my intentions

to see her removed from her position or I intended to do all I could to

see NAHA isolated and bypassed and replaced with an organization that

will properly represent mainline aromatherapy in the USA. If somebody

wants to get my dander up, all they gotta do is threaten me and they

done opened a big can of whupass that ain't easy to close.

 

> Hahhha

> libra thing I guess. Air, the sword, cutting though things..

 

But you wouldn't feel that way if the discussion on IDMA was about the

anti-gun lobby .. if they were running their mouth with narrow meaning.

I know that you (like me) like sporting weapons and I say they won't get

mine till they pry my cold, stiff fingers from around the handgripes.

We have to stand for something or fall for anything.

 

I am NOT an aromatherapy practitioner .. I go to great lengths to make

sure folks understand that. I'm a contract-producer, exporter, importer

and quality control executor of essential oils .. but I've decided that

I will take on those who would do in the free use of essential oils ..

just as I will take on any who try to take away my Constitutional right

to own and bear firearms. Or those who would victimize others - period!

 

> Merc is direct but things won't get settled until June 25 so, good

> morning to you all, and ideas about Frankincense?

> What should I mix it with?

 

Sweet Orange or Neroli might be good .. Frankincense is a Base Note.

 

> The same old myrrh snadalwood thing or..

 

Sandalwood is also a Base Note and it might be easier to list what we

shouldn't blend it with than what we should blend it with.

 

> frankincense with a drop of wintergreen..hummmmmI do not have

> wintergreen!

 

Nobody will ever find Wintergreen on my site because I don't sell HIGHLY

DANGEROUS products and Wintergreen is just that .. in fact, its not even

a real essential oil .. Wintergreen and Sweet Birch are plain old highly

toxic Methyl Salicylate .. a commercial chemical that builds up in the

body and can cause SERIOUS liver problems. Both will effectively treat

serious pain .. but so will a 357 Magnum round betwixt the eyes.

 

> Anastasia

 

Nothing here intended to down what you have written .. but its good, I

think, to sometimes see things from the perspective of another person.

 

Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com