Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Hi y'all, Just got back from five days in Magosa, Cyprus and owe some of you folks some replies as I didn't wanna do anything while I was there besides forwarding orders to my folks in Maryland. I gained a couple'a pounds while being real lazy and eating too much good chow .. visited a bunch of ancient Ottoman, Greek and Phoenician ruins, to include a relatively new (for that area) church .. Saint Nicolas Cathedral .. built around 1200 AD. Too hot it was there. Folks can now see that I'm a Redneck without hearing me tawk. ;-p Anyhow .. I just made this post to another list and though I'd pass it along as it might be of interest to some of the folks here too. On the forms of distillation of essential oils. The most common form is Steam Distillation. Imagine steaming a basket of veggies over boiling water .. without the boiling water. Steam is introduced into the bottom of the still, from some outside source, and it travels upward through the suspended plant material. This is also the least expensive means as it requires less water and smaller stills can be used .. generally in the range of 500 to 1,000 kilogram stills. A relatively new form of Steam Distillation is called Hydrodiffusion. Same same as above except the steam is introduced into the top of the still and flows downward through the plant material. Another form that is rarely used now is Hydro-Steam Distillation. This is where steam jackets are placed along the sides of a still that will be used for Hydrodistillation. Hydrodistillation is the oldest form .. still used by some villagers to make what I like to call Village Cooked oils .. and it can be the least efficient form unless high tech stills are used and in close proximity to an abundant source of clean water. Its only used commercially when none of the other methods will work due to the nature of the aromatic materials or when the other methods are not convenient for one reason or another. Its used for any aromatic material that will compact. Hydrodistillation is a bit like washing clothes in your washing machine. The aromatic plant material is submerged in the water .. not suspended above it. For example, in Turkey, Rose Otto is hydrodistilled by placing 500 kilograms of Rose Blossoms into 1,500 kilograms of water in a 2,000 kilogram still. The Rose Blossoms submerged in the water are heated and the steam rises in the normal manner .. into the condenser where its cooled .. and returns to liquid form. Why use Hydrodistillation for Rose Otto? Because if we suspend Rose Blossoms in a hanging contraption as we do with Steam Distillation, when the steam begins to pass through the blossoms, they will compact to a very HARD mass that will not allow a good flow of steam. There are some other plant materials distilled via Hydrodistillation at times .. but again, its not usually efficient and its not a norm. In Tunisia, they Hydrodistill Rosemary. They go forth into the wild and harvest the Rosemary plants from here and yonder and bring them to the nearest semi-portable still. That method requires a lot of water so they also must haul that in. Is it efficient? Not that I can see. It seems to me that hauling the Rosemary to a fixed still would be far more efficient than hauling water to the mobile still .. and then hauling the essential oil back to town. Some folks like to think of the harvest and distillation of aromatic plants as being a gentle and loving piece of work. Sorry to say that from a commercial standpoint this is a romantic rumor put forth by some sellers of EO. Those who might describe their oils as being " Expertly crafted in an earth-friendly manner from aromatic plants harvested with tender loving care by 16 year old blond virgins in flowing white robes who thank the plants for their sacrifice while chanting Hari Krishna to appease the Gods. " In truth, in the Third World and Emerging Market Countries, from which we obtain most of the wild-grown aromatic plants, they are harvested by the pound by peasants who want no more than to make a little extra cash. True it is that Rose Blossoms are harvested with TLC but the reason is not altruistic .. its common sense economics. If they crush the Rose Blossoms, they will begin to lost weight due to evaporation of the EO. Harvest of cultivated crops is similar .. except in the more modern countries, where they are normally harvested by machine. There are always exceptions to the above .. sometimes even in modern countries we must harvest by hand but its only done when there is no other choice. Good it is too because EO prices would go out of sight if we increased the labor required to harvest the aromatic materials. As for mobile distillation units, there's a feller now experimenting with them in the USA .. using a USG grant. There's another feller from Canada doing some work with them in Costa Rica. But this is not a norm nor is it likely to replace the convenience and efficiency of fixed station distillation. If you want to see some of these processes .. from the Rose Field to the Still .. go to the following URLs. http://www.av-at.com/distillation/rosadamascena1.html In Part II of the above URL, you'll see a reference to Hydro-Steam Distillation. At the time, it was " sorta " true .. I won't go into all the details but to say that now ALL Turkish Rose Otto is Hydrodistilled and I just haven't got around to changing the site yet. ;-p If you wanna see other shots of the Rose fields and stills .. go to http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosedistillation.html http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosefields1.html And for some more wild-grown aromatic plants .. go here: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/aromaticplants.html http://www.av-at.com/stuff/asst1.html To see Hydrodistillation of Rosemary in Tunisia .. go here: http://www.aromamedical.demon.co.uk/new/rosemaryoil.htm The photos of the Tunisian operation are what I call Village Cooked oils. Sometimes they call this Alembic distillation. But the ancient method used to distill Rosemary in Tunisia is a far cry from the more technically proficient method used to distill Rose Blossoms in Turkey. One big difference is the ability to control/regulate the heat .. that's difficult using the Tunisian method. Another is the loss of aromatic gases that occurs with the Tunisian method but not with the the Turkish Hydrodistillation. Both are environmentally friendly to a point as the spent plant materials are later used. In Tunisia for fuel and in Turkey for fertilizer on the farmer's fields. As for Martin's statement that, " Any hydrodistilled rosemary oil will be far superior to steam distilled oil. " I disagree. But we all have a right to personal opinions. ;-) Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Bulk/Wholesale/Retail GC Tested EO, Rose Otto, Hydrosols and other nice things shipped to you from Friendsville, Maryland .. population 600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 I have a question regarding distillation methods. One company (Imani Natural Products) say they use oils which come from a French doctor and are " slow distilled " for medicinal use. Has anyone (e.g. Butch) heard of this process? Also, just because oils are organic or wild crafted, is this assurance that they are not processed with solvents? Am generally wondering if there is some kind of European standard of processing oils for " medicinal " use and if there is such a thing as slow distilled. Thanks, Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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