Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Hi everyone, Hope you all had wonderful Easters! I am wondering if people could share their experiences with refined vs. unrefined oils and butters, particularly mango, shea and coconut, but I'd be interested in hearing about any others you have used as well. Thanks! Debbie deb http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Hi Debra, My experience with refined vs unrefined oils is that the unrefined oils retain a lot more of the original character of the oil than the refined does. The shelf life of unrefined oils generally isn't as long as those of the same variety of oil refined, but the unrefined oil itself is a much more " complete " oil. For example, the unrefined Virgin Coconut Oil smells like a fresh coconut, naturally, as opposed to the refined coconut oil which is unscented. Unrefined avocado oil is a very viscous, deep green, almost black colored oil that has a strong scent, whereas refined avocado oil doesn't smell that strongly and is a just a nice shade of green ..... Unrefined Olive Oil vs Refined Olive Oil is another great example of how an oil changes and loses its character after refining ..... compare the color, smell and taste of Butch's Olive Oil to that of Sam's Club's .... I hope that helps some *Smile* Chris Salt Sale Extended This Week Only http://www.alittleolfactory.com Debra McDuffee wrote: > Hi everyone, > Hope you all had wonderful Easters! > > I am wondering if people could share their experiences with refined vs. > unrefined oils and butters, particularly mango, shea and coconut, but > I'd be > interested in hearing about any others you have used as well. > > Thanks! > Debbie > deb > http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Chris, This definitely helps -- and this is what I have found with the few oils I use. I am wondering a couple more things: 1) Are there any oils or butters you would not use unrefined b/c they are too smelly or yucky-colored for certain things (I'm wondering about the avocado you mentioned)? 2) In the case of refined oils, do you know how they are refined? Solvents? I am worried about contaminants and basically poisons. Thanks! Debbie deb http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com > Hi Debra, > > My experience with refined vs unrefined oils is that the unrefined oils > retain a lot more of the original character of the oil than the refined > does. The shelf life of unrefined oils generally isn't as long as those > of the same variety of oil refined, but the unrefined oil itself is a > much more " complete " oil. > > For example, the unrefined Virgin Coconut Oil smells like a fresh > coconut, naturally, as opposed to the refined coconut oil which is > unscented. Unrefined avocado oil is a very viscous, deep green, almost > black colored oil that has a strong scent, whereas refined avocado oil > doesn't smell that strongly and is a just a nice shade of green ..... > Unrefined Olive Oil vs Refined Olive Oil is another great example of how > an oil changes and loses its character after refining ..... compare the > color, smell and taste of Butch's Olive Oil to that of Sam's Club's .... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi Debra, All This is a subject that can get VERY complicated, and VERY long winded, VERY easily ..... To make things a lot easier .... Here is an article on: Processing and Refining Edible Oils http://www.fao.org/docrep/v4700e/V4700E0a.htm This will help give you a LOT more insight into the whole subject .. as far as how they are produced and why ... *Smile* Chris (list mom) Salt Sale, Extended This Week Only! http://www.alittleolfactory.com Debra McDuffee wrote: > Chris, > This definitely helps -- and this is what I have found with the few oils I > use. I am wondering a couple more things: > 1) Are there any oils or butters you would not use unrefined b/c they are > too smelly or yucky-colored for certain things (I'm wondering about the > avocado you mentioned)? > 2) In the case of refined oils, do you know how they are refined? > Solvents? > I am worried about contaminants and basically poisons. > > Thanks! > Debbie > deb > http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Hi Debra Debra McDuffee wrote: > Are there any oils or butters you would not use unrefined b/c they are > too smelly or yucky-colored for certain things (I'm wondering about the > avocado you mentioned)? Yes! When I make a CP soap with the very expensive essential oils I used refined olive oil. I don't want a heavily scented oil like the unrefined olive pomace that I usually use in the base because it has a strong scent of its own and I don't want anything overpowering the expensive EO's (that way I can use less of them to impart their scent, instead of having to cover the smell of olive). Also I use refined coconut oil in the soap because it is much less expensive than the unrefined virgin coconut oil and the scent of the virgin coconut does not survive the saponification process. Yet for lotions and creams I'd happily (and very much more likely) use the virgin coconut oil > > > Thanks! > Debbie > deb > http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com *Smile* Chris (list mom) Salt Sale - LAST DAYS! Celtic Gray Sea Salt, Pink Orsa " Real " Salt, Hawaiian 'Alaea Red Sea Salt, White Sea Salt .... http://www.alittleolfactory.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Unrefined avocado oil is stinky for sure, but there are certain oils that turn out pretty goood in soapmaking. Especialy olive or unrefined shea butter which on their own are very strong smelling. However, after they go through the soapmaking process, they transform into something pleasant and clean.. I use an unrefined shea butter/extra virgin olive oil base and really one can add any essential oil and get a beautiful bar of soap without the original heavy scent of the oil being at all detectable. I find if you use a basic palm, coconut oilve recipe you can pick up more oil smell. Do not ask me why, I am no scientist. I blame that palm oil though! Even if it is refined! Unrefined palm is the most hidious fat I have ever smelled..besides lard which makes good soap but that smell! I used a goat milk soap made with lard once and I swear the smell of pig blew me away. Right now my favorite recipe includes 33.33% shea and 33.33% coconut oil, 22.22% olive and 11.11% cocoa butter.. I do like the deoderized cocoa butter in soap because that chocolate smell carries over not as chocolate smell but something else ..yuck! So obviously that illistrates how certain fats can effect your blend in a significant way. The answer is simply make alot of soap, sell it, so you can make more soap! I am making a salve here in a few days with beeswax (waitin' on the beeswax) and pure cocoa butter (all the chocolate scent included) olive oil and sandalwood.. I smelled one made by Bonny Doon Farm http://www.bonnydoonfarm.com in California called " Mehan Salve " and it totally blew me away! It is more like rare incense rather than a few very basic ingredients in salve.It makes my hair so nice a curly and soft instead of a the usual rat bushed hag head that I am! That is another long winded story though, ana http://www.anastasiasideas.com shea butter, rhassoul handmade paper and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2002 Report Share Posted April 6, 2002 Thanks Ana and Chris for all of the wonderful info! I promise I will get to the point where my questions are somewhere between basic and a doctoral thesis, LOL! Debbie deb http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com > Unrefined avocado oil is stinky for sure, but there are certain oils > that turn out pretty goood in soapmaking. Especialy olive or > unrefined shea butter which on their own are very strong smelling. > However, after they go through the soapmaking process, they transform > into something pleasant and clean.. > I use an unrefined shea butter/extra virgin olive oil base and really > one can add any essential oil and get a beautiful bar of soap without > the original heavy scent of the oil being at all detectable. > > I find if you use a basic palm, coconut oilve recipe you can pick up > more oil smell. Do not ask me why, I am no scientist. I blame that > palm oil though! Even if it is refined! Unrefined palm is the most > hidious fat I have ever smelled..besides lard which makes good soap > but that smell! I used a goat milk soap made with lard once and I > swear the smell of pig blew me away. > > Right now my favorite recipe includes 33.33% shea and 33.33% coconut > oil, 22.22% olive and 11.11% cocoa butter.. I do like the deoderized > cocoa butter in soap because that chocolate smell carries over not as > chocolate smell but something else ..yuck! > So obviously that illistrates how certain fats can effect your blend > in a significant way. > The answer is simply make alot of soap, sell it, so you can make more > soap! > > I am making a salve here in a few days with beeswax (waitin' on the > beeswax) and pure cocoa butter (all the chocolate scent included) > olive oil and sandalwood.. > I smelled one made by Bonny Doon Farm > http://www.bonnydoonfarm.com in California called > " Mehan Salve " and it totally blew me away! > It is more like rare incense rather than a few very basic > ingredients in salve.It makes my hair so nice a curly and soft > instead of a the usual rat bushed hag head that I am! > That is another long winded story though, > ana > http://www.anastasiasideas.com > shea butter, rhassoul > handmade paper and more! How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To Un send a blank e-mail to: - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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