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I have a patient with hand contracture which means that she can't straighter

her fingers and her knuckels are also displaced. I have been doing PC 8 and

Heart 8 and liver 3 and 8 and Gallbladder 40. I can't say that this is doing

too

much good.

 

Do you have any suggestions.

 

Zinnia

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Hi, Zinnia,

Try ba xie points (in web of fingers), including LI 4,needle JS 5 toward the

fingers. Use 10's unit if you have one and a TDP lamp. Should help quite a

bit. Good luck, Pam Price

 

 

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> I have a patient with hand contracture which means that she can't

straighter

> her fingers and her knuckels are also displaced. I have been doing PC 8

and

> Heart 8 and liver 3 and 8 and Gallbladder 40. I can't say that this is

doing too

> much good.

>

> Do you have any suggestions.

>

> Zinnia

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>

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The problem may not be in the hand at all, even when the signs are.

 

Is the flexor aspect or the extensor more pulled? This will impact the

treatment

approach.

 

If the flexors are laxed to extensors, the problem will be in yin channels

on the hand.

If the extensors are laxed to flexors, the problem will be in yang channels

on the hand.

 

After you have established this, narrow down a channel, even a

channel-complex,

and here you will look more to sinew channels in addition to the

conventional one.

 

SI - the conventional and sinew channels run up the edge of the limb and

squarely

into the scapular region, after which each goes up the neck to the face.

 

Any asymmetry in the scapular region, neck [scaleneus ms; brachial plexus],

or in the

set of the zygomas, will impact the hand.

 

LI - the conventional and sinew channels run up the edge of the limb bypass

the

scapular region to via the neck enter the face.

 

The LI sinew channel often impacts the lay of the hand by it's sinew, just

as it does

the ubiquitous pain at T 3 to 7, which plagues people, and has the remedy in

the hand.

 

Try not to set the hand right [with all due respects to suggestions

hitherto], and wait

till possibly the hand relaxes by the remote approach. This way you will

have handled the

root as well as the stem.

 

How to find out if there is a remote problem centered around the scapulae?

 

1. Check shoulder height, the set of the hips, leg length for discrepancy.

2. Look out for a 'humped' GB 21, it's a major sign.

3. Look for a 'congested sector at the medial end of the scapular ridge,

where a point

reflecting the SI 13 will be found under the ridge, just as SI 13 is above

it.

If found, the area will be swollen, congested, grainy, raised, indurated.

Again a

major sign.

 

a. Establish tender points in the scapular region, it might be at the area

mentioned in

notation 3 above, or at GB 21, or at SI 12, certainly likely at SI 14.

 

Work the point SI 11, but somewhat gingerly, it can cause bradycardia,

sometimes

even fainting. It is by and large not implicated in musculoskeletal

problems.

 

b. After you have the triggers, work the channels from wrist to shoulder,

more

in forearm, for grainy spots.

 

c. Massage the points found at step b. to release tightness etc at step a.

 

If all this has been possible, the hand will have begum to release by

degrees.

 

It is best to be gradual, because the muscles may release, and the tendons,

but the not the adhesions in the small joints of the hand.

 

If all this works for you let me know for more input.

 

By and large I work with thesurmise that it's no good to beat up the hand

which already a victim. Best treat the Silent Shadow wherever it lurks.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

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Phil

 

It all depends on the cause of the severity of the contracture.

 

Although it takes more experience/focus to use Gua Sha and Cupping below the

wrist into the hand and fingers......this is often as important as releasing

above the wrist.

 

Phil....based upon actual cases I have treated.....BaGuaFa has benefited in

all categories of severity but one must always keep in mind that every

situation and every patient is individual. There are many variables locally and

systemically involving what I refer to as 'fluid dynamics' and others have

referred

to as 'fluid physiology'.

 

Regards,

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 10/5/2004 9:02:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

 

Hi All, & Pam & Zinia,

 

Zinnia wrote:

> I have a patient with hand contracture which means that she can't

> straighter her fingers and her knuckels are also displaced. I have

> been doing PC 8 and Heart 8 and liver 3 and 8 and Gallbladder 40.

> I can't say that this is doing too much good. Do you have any

> suggestions. Zinnia

 

Pam Price replied:

> Hi, Zinnia, Try Baxie points (in web of fingers), including LI04,

> + needle TH05 toward the fingers. Use TENS unit if you have one

> and a TDP lamp. Should help quite a bit. Good luck, Pam Price

 

Pam, I have not tried to treat such cases, even though I have some

friends with the condition. Orthopedic experts here regard severe

contracture as a definite indication for surgery.

 

I would expect AP +/- TENS or Guasha (especially at points

ABOVE the wrist, on/near the muscles attached to the affected

tendons) to help in early or mild cases, but can it help much in

severe or chronic contracture?

 

Pam, are your comments just theoretical, or based on actual

experience treating hand contracture?

 

If based on actual experiences, are you referring to early/mild or

late/severe cases?

 

Any comments from other colleagues who have treated such

cases?

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 10/5/2004 6:15:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

aryaone writes:

 

 

The problem may not be in the hand at all, even when the signs are.

This is a more global approach as more easily seen in Carpal Tunnel syndrome

where 'multiple crush' syndrome is the culprit. Which basically means that

anywhere and often in multiple locations the nerve and/or vascular networks are

compressed in the soft tissue. Ranging from the nerve root - anywhere along the

nerve pathway - including at the carpal tunnels.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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Zinnia

 

Contracture as previously commented on is ONE thing.

 

Knuckle displacement is quite another issue. Experiencially....one needs to

break up as much stagnation as possible right at the knuckle joints. Needles,

moxa and focused gua sha would definitely help.

 

If someone places a 50lb cinder brick in blocking the opening of a

door.....working indirectly just won't go very far in moving it. One must at

least in

part... directly move the blockage 'out of the way'.

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 10/5/2004 2:21:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cmszinnia writes:

I have a patient with hand contracture which means that she can't straighter

her fingers and her knuckels are also displaced. I have been doing PC 8 and

Heart 8 and liver 3 and 8 and Gallbladder 40. I can't say that this is

doing too

much good.

 

Do you have any suggestions.

 

Zinnia

 

 

 

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Hi All, & Pam & Zinia,

 

Zinnia wrote:

> I have a patient with hand contracture which means that she can't

> straighter her fingers and her knuckels are also displaced. I have

> been doing PC 8 and Heart 8 and liver 3 and 8 and Gallbladder 40.

> I can't say that this is doing too much good. Do you have any

> suggestions. Zinnia

 

Pam Price replied:

> Hi, Zinnia, Try Baxie points (in web of fingers), including LI04,

> + needle TH05 toward the fingers. Use TENS unit if you have one

> and a TDP lamp. Should help quite a bit. Good luck, Pam Price

 

Pam, I have not tried to treat such cases, even though I have some

friends with the condition. Orthopedic experts here regard severe

contracture as a definite indication for surgery.

 

I would expect AP +/- TENS or Guasha (especially at points

ABOVE the wrist, on/near the muscles attached to the affected

tendons) to help in early or mild cases, but can it help much in

severe or chronic contracture?

 

Pam, are your comments just theoretical, or based on actual

experience treating hand contracture?

 

If based on actual experiences, are you referring to early/mild or

late/severe cases?

 

Any comments from other colleagues who have treated such

cases?

 

Best regards,

 

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Yes, Phil and all,

 

I have a good deal of experience with the problem. I worked in Alaska for

years and treated fishermen who'd had surgery for it. Several were so bad

off after the surgery they cried with just light/gently palpation of

arms/hands. These were tough, and I mean tough, men! They had enough relief

to support themselves fishing again. If anyone's fished in the Bering Sea,

you know what a tough life is.

 

It may take a few months and a lot of patient rest, but it's worth giving it

a good try. I did not use gua sha below the wrist. And Do Not use electro AP

on LI 4. Surgery should a last resort. Listen to Richard, he has excellent

advise and explains protocols better than I. Thank you, Pam Price

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