Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hi Z'ev... I had Tiande Yang write a formula for me that was remarkably helpful and I listened in as one of our senior supervisors who follow Dr Yang remarked on her appreciation for the blessing of his teaching. After she left, he said to me " my suffering is the patient who doesn't respond to my treatments. " Will > Message: 4 > Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:35:09 -0700 > " " <zrosenbe > Re: TCM vs Alopathic > > Very well said. > > > On Sep 22, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Doc wrote: > > > My Zaide asked one Dr; > > If your system of medicine is so superior to others why are there > > still sick people? > > > > All of us combined do not have the cure for the ills of our fellow > > humans so how can anyone claim that their system is THE ANSWER? > > Will Morris, LAc., OMD, MSEd Secretary AAOM 310-453-8300 phone 310-829-3838 fax This message is a PRIVATE communication. This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, or use it, and do not disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message with the word delete in the subject column, and then delete it and any attachments from your system. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 From the Buddhist perspective, people are sick due to karma and have the poisons of greed, anger, and stupity and a false sense of self. Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD chusauli See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com >WMorris116 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > why are there still sick people? >Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:36:50 EDT > >Hi Z'ev... > >I had Tiande Yang write a formula for me that was remarkably helpful >and I listened in as one of our senior supervisors who follow Dr Yang >remarked on her appreciation for the blessing of his teaching. After she >left, he >said to me " my suffering is the patient who doesn't respond to my >treatments. " > >Will > > > > Message: 4 > > Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:35:09 -0700 > > " " <zrosenbe > > Re: TCM vs Alopathic > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Doc wrote: > > > > > My Zaide asked one Dr; > > > If your system of medicine is so superior to others why are there > > > still sick people? > > > > > > All of us combined do not have the cure for the ills of our fellow > > > humans so how can anyone claim that their system is THE ANSWER? > > > > > > >Will Morris, LAc., OMD, MSEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Then there is stress which can compromise one's immune system, not getting enough sleep for a good period of time, not dressing more warmly when the weather gets cold, and my personal favorite: People walking around with wet hair and complaining of headaches. The list is endless.............................................. Robert Chu <chusauli wrote: From the Buddhist perspective, people are sick due to karma and have the poisons of greed, anger, and stupity and a false sense of self. Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD chusauli See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com >WMorris116 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > why are there still sick people? >Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:36:50 EDT > >Hi Z'ev... > >I had Tiande Yang write a formula for me that was remarkably helpful >and I listened in as one of our senior supervisors who follow Dr Yang >remarked on her appreciation for the blessing of his teaching. After she >left, he >said to me " my suffering is the patient who doesn't respond to my >treatments. " > >Will > > > > Message: 4 > > Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:35:09 -0700 > > " " <zrosenbe > > Re: TCM vs Alopathic > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Doc wrote: > > > > > My Zaide asked one Dr; > > > If your system of medicine is so superior to others why are there > > > still sick people? > > > > > > All of us combined do not have the cure for the ills of our fellow > > > humans so how can anyone claim that their system is THE ANSWER? > > > > > > >Will Morris, LAc., OMD, MSEd http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Robert and Ming, You miss the entire point of the RHETORICAL question. This was a question posed by my GrandFather (a practitioner of over 80 years at the time of his death). It was addressed to an arrogant MD but could as well have been addressed to members of the TCM profession. Too often people claim a superiority for their type of medicine. (ie Alopathic medicine is useless and a fraud... TCM is the only worthwhile form of medicine ...) OK -asked my Zaide- if your system of medicine is so great and superior why has it not cured all of humankind? and if your answer is one pointed at the patients role in their own healing then why have you not educated them, after all your system is so superior.... The Rombom said it is not possible for a succesful doctor to enter heaven. Why one asks. A doctor who has succesfuly cured so much pain and suffering should be assured heaven. But a doctor who is succesful begins to forget that all of our skills and arts and knowledge and we ourselves are no more than tools in the hands of G-d. The healing does not come from us it comes from the universal source (i choose to call Ha Shem or G-d) Doc " Ming H. Lee " <aceqihealer wrote: Then there is stress which can compromise one's immune system, not getting enough sleep for a good period of time, not dressing more warmly when the weather gets cold, and my personal favorite: People walking around with wet hair and complaining of headaches. The list is endless.............................................. Chu <chusauli wrote: From the Buddhist perspective, people are sick due to karma and have the poisons of greed, anger, and stupity and a false sense of self. Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD chusauli See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com >WMorris116 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > why are there still sick people? >Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:36:50 EDT > >Hi Z'ev... > >I had Tiande Yang write a formula for me that was remarkably helpful >and I listened in as one of our senior supervisors who follow Dr Yang >remarked on her appreciation for the blessing of his teaching. After she >left, he >said to me " my suffering is the patient who doesn't respond to my >treatments. " > >Will > > > > Message: 4 > > Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:35:09 -0700 > > " " <zrosenbe > > Re: TCM vs Alopathic > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Doc wrote: > > > > > My Zaide asked one Dr; > > > If your system of medicine is so superior to others why are there > > > still sick people? > > > > > > All of us combined do not have the cure for the ills of our fellow > > > humans so how can anyone claim that their system is THE ANSWER? > > > > > > >Will Morris, LAc., OMD, MSEd http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hi Doc & All, Doc wrote: > The healing does not come from us it comes from the universal > source (i choose to call Ha Shem or G-d) Doc Amen to that! IMO, the best healers are those who are wise / humble enough to know that they know nothing in comparison to the wisdom & love of G-d. Whether we are aware of it or not, we are G-d's Healing Hands in this world. We point the finger, or needle, use the scalpel, or give the herbal / homeopathuc formula, or manipulate the vertebra, and G-d / Nature does the rest. G-d's Will be done, and Blessed be G-d forever, regardless of the " clinical outcome " in our eyes. Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doc wrote: Robert and Ming, ...the RHETORICAL question ... was posed by my GrandFather (a practitioner of >80 years at the time of his death). It was addressed to an arrogant MD but could as well have been addressed to members of the TCM profession. Too often people claim a superiority for their type of medicine. (i.e. Allopathic medicine is useless and a fraud... TCM is the only worthwhile form of medicine ...) OK -asked my Zaide- if your system of medicine is so great and superior why has it not cured all of humankind? and if your answer is one pointed at the patient's role in their own healing then why have you not educated them? After all your system is so superior.... The Rombom said it is not possible for a succesful doctor to enter heaven. Why?, one asks. A doctor who has succesfuly cured so much pain and suffering should be assured heaven. But a doctor who is succesful begins to forget that all of our skills and arts and knowledge and we ourselves are no more than tools in the hands of G-d. The healing does not come from us it comes from the universal source (i choose to call Ha Shem or G- d) Doc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hi I see myself as a facilitator for healing, deep down it is still my clients' choice whether they want to be " healed " or not, and only when they are ready does the true healing take place. Some people love their misery, it's a nice crutch to hold on to. fred > > [] > Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:18 AM > Chinese Medicine > RE: why are there still sick people? > > > Hi Doc & All, > > Doc wrote: > > The healing does not come from us it comes from the universal > > source (i choose to call Ha Shem or G-d) Doc > > Amen to that! > > IMO, the best healers are those who are wise / humble enough to > know that they know nothing in comparison to the wisdom & love of > G-d. > > Whether we are aware of it or not, we are G-d's Healing Hands in > this world. We point the finger, or needle, use the scalpel, or give > the herbal / homeopathuc formula, or manipulate the vertebra, and > G-d / Nature does the rest. > > G-d's Will be done, and Blessed be G-d forever, regardless of the > " clinical outcome " in our eyes. > Phil > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Doc wrote: > > Robert and Ming, ...the RHETORICAL question ... was posed by > my GrandFather (a practitioner of >80 years at the time of his > death). It was addressed to an arrogant MD but could as well have > been addressed to members of the TCM profession. Too often > people claim a superiority for their type of medicine. (i.e. Allopathic > medicine is useless and a fraud... TCM is the only worthwhile form > of medicine ...) OK -asked my Zaide- if your system of medicine is > so great and superior why has it not cured all of humankind? and if > your answer is one pointed at the patient's role in their own healing > then why have you not educated them? After all your system is so > superior.... The Rombom said it is not possible for a succesful > doctor to enter heaven. Why?, one asks. A doctor who has > succesfuly cured so much pain and suffering should be assured > heaven. But a doctor who is succesful begins to forget that all of > our skills and arts and knowledge and we ourselves are no more > than tools in the hands of G-d. The healing does not come from us > it comes from the universal source (i choose to call Ha Shem or G- > d) Doc > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link > page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop > being delivered. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group requires prior permission from the author. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hi Doc, Thank you for point this out, but still I thought it's kind of fun answering the question this way. Nevertheless, I am inspired by the rhetorical question to share a conclusion from observations that I've made from my personal experiences treating patients. Although we can do our best to treat our patients, provide them with the most comprehensive health information available, and give our patients the best care with our best intentions and skills and diagnosis, the patients will ultimately decide what's the best for them. Their decision are not necessarily the most accurate reflection of the quality of care that we provide, because the patients themselves are limited by their level of understanding of the information we provided and their level of commitment in following our advise. We can tell our patients to give up tennis until the inflammed elbow healed, but some patients will go out and play tennis anyway. We tell patients not drink Pepsi, and they go home and finish a 12-pack within an hour. I am sure that each of us here in this group has his/her own personal examples. Patients will do what they do despite the volumes of information and care that we provided: Ultimately, they decide what's best for themselves, and sometimes they chose to ignore good advises and stay happily with their bad habits. There are limits to what we can accomplish for each patient, and the limiting factors do not rest solely on the healers. Healing is an interative process between healer and patient. Ming Doc <Doc wrote: Robert and Ming, You miss the entire point of the RHETORICAL question. This was a question posed by my GrandFather (a practitioner of over 80 years at the time of his death). It was addressed to an arrogant MD but could as well have been addressed to members of the TCM profession. Too often people claim a superiority for their type of medicine. (ie Alopathic medicine is useless and a fraud... TCM is the only worthwhile form of medicine ...) OK -asked my Zaide- if your system of medicine is so great and superior why has it not cured all of humankind? and if your answer is one pointed at the patients role in their own healing then why have you not educated them, after all your system is so superior.... The Rombom said it is not possible for a succesful doctor to enter heaven. Why one asks. A doctor who has succesfuly cured so much pain and suffering should be assured heaven. But a doctor who is succesful begins to forget that all of our skills and arts and knowledge and we ourselves are no more than tools in the hands of G-d. The healing does not come from us it comes from the universal source (i choose to call Ha Shem or G-d) Doc " Ming H. Lee " <aceqihealer wrote: Then there is stress which can compromise one's immune system, not getting enough sleep for a good period of time, not dressing more warmly when the weather gets cold, and my personal favorite: People walking around with wet hair and complaining of headaches. The list is endless.............................................. Chu <chusauli wrote: From the Buddhist perspective, people are sick due to karma and have the poisons of greed, anger, and stupity and a false sense of self. Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD chusauli See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com >WMorris116 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > why are there still sick people? >Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:36:50 EDT > >Hi Z'ev... > >I had Tiande Yang write a formula for me that was remarkably helpful >and I listened in as one of our senior supervisors who follow Dr Yang >remarked on her appreciation for the blessing of his teaching. After she >left, he >said to me " my suffering is the patient who doesn't respond to my >treatments. " > >Will > > > > Message: 4 > > Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:35:09 -0700 > > " " <zrosenbe > > Re: TCM vs Alopathic > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Doc wrote: > > > > > My Zaide asked one Dr; > > > If your system of medicine is so superior to others why are there > > > still sick people? > > > > > > All of us combined do not have the cure for the ills of our fellow > > > humans so how can anyone claim that their system is THE ANSWER? > > > > > > >Will Morris, LAc., OMD, MSEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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