Qi Gong, Emitted Qi and Healing over distances

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Hi Phil,

 

This question brought to mind a claim in the book I was reading last night

(Postive Energy by Dr. Judith Orloff M.D.).. at one point she cites a study

at Columbia University. From what I can gleen, it was a double-blinded study

involving prayer (A type of directed Qi, IMHO).. couples in the study were

undergoing fertility treatment. Those couples who were prayed for (by people

in other countries) were twice as likely to become pregnant.

 

That sounds pretty amazing to me.

That being said, I researched the study online.

 

Apparently, the study came out in the September 2001 Journal of Reproductive

Medicine. They have since pulled the article and it has come under question

since one of the authors of the study was recently arrested for criminal

acts involving using phony identities and defrauding a cable company.

 

I don't know if this means the study is less valid - perhaps if the

researcher is unscrupulous, how can we trust the data he compiles. (I will

research this matter further).

 

It's an interesting idea. And I, for one, hope they do more studies like

this one.

 

Anyone have an opinion on how prayer and Qi gong relate? Prayer involves

calming the mind and sending out directed positive intentions into the

universe and sometimes directly towards a person over distances. I am not

trying to have a theological discussion, mind you! Do you believe this could

be considered a form of directed Qi?

 

I've heard the difference between meditation and prayer described

(oversimply) as:

during meditation you empty your mind to receive (from a higher power)

during prayer you send messages out (to a higher power)

 

(I know that meditation can and does incorporate sending messages out as

well as receiving..)

 

Are these two sides of the same coin? (Removing the " is it God, the

Universe, Yaweh, Allah? " you are directing or receiving from and so on from

the discussion).. Could prayer be considered a form of emitted Qi and

therefore a relative of Qi Gong?

 

I think this is an important subject as we interact with many different

types of people in our healing practice. Some will respond very well to a

suggestion of incorporation of meditation or Qi Gong into their lifestyles,

but others may respond better if we can describe it as a relative of

something they may already have incoporated into their lives (eg: prayer).

 

Looking forward to hearing others perspective on this,

Nadia

 

 

>I have first-hand experience (as a receiver) that Qi can be

>transmitted (for example as a sensation of intense heat) over

>distance from a sender to a receiver. The claim that Yi Zhi Chan /

>Qigong can kill prompted the question: " Can sufficient Qi be

>discharged that it can kill the receiver? "

>

>But a much more important question for therapists is: " Can

>sufficient Qi be discharged that it can help the receiver's adaptive

>systems to heal him/herself? "

>

>Robert, have you first-hand experience of emitted Qi being useful in

>healing?

>

>Best regards,

>

>Email: <

>

 

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Hi All, & Nadia,

 

IMO, Yi, intercessory prayer, healing visualisation / projection and

Qigong emitted with healing intention are all similar in many ways.

 

The paper to which Nadia referred concluded: A statistically

significant difference was observed for the effect of intercessory

prayer on the outcome of IVF-ET, though the data should be

interpreted as preliminary. (J Reprod Med 2001;46:781–787)

http://hedgkism.notlong.com

 

Unfortunately, the Journal of Reproductive Medicine has withdrawn

from its Web site a September 2001 study that demonstrated the

benefits of prayer on fertility treatments, following recent concerns

raised by the research community about the validity of the results.

One of the three authors of the paper is a lawyer and psychic

researcher who last month pleaded guilty in a Pennsylvania court

to a number of charges, including using phony identities and

defrauding the cable company Adelphia Communications of more

than $1 million. See:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040614/04/

 

There is mounting evidence that intercessory prayer can influence

outcomes in hospitalised or ill people. See:

 

Leonard Leibovici Beyond science? Effects of remote, retroactive

intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream

infection: randomised controlled trial BMJ 2001;323:1450-1451 ( 22-

29 December ) Department of Medicine, Beilinson Campus, Rabin

Medical Center, Petah-Tiqva 49100, Israel leibovic

http://tinyurl.com/3uygq

 

Best regards,

Phil

 

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Nadia wrote:

 

Hi Phil, This question brought to mind a claim in the book I was

reading last night (Postive Energy by Dr. Judith Orloff M.D.).. at

one point she cites a study at Columbia University. From what I

can gleen, it was a double-blinded study involving prayer (A type of

directed Qi, IMHO).. couples in the study were undergoing fertility

treatment. Those couples who were prayed for (by people in other

countries) were twice as likely to become pregnant. That sounds

pretty amazing to me. That being said, I researched the study

online.

 

Apparently, the study came out in the September 2001 Journal of

Reproductive Medicine. They have since pulled the article and it

has come under question since one of the authors of the study was

recently arrested for criminal acts involving using phony identities

and defrauding a cable company.

 

I don't know if this means the study is less valid - perhaps if the

researcher is unscrupulous, how can we trust the data he

compiles. (I will research this matter further).

 

It's an interesting idea. And I, for one, hope they do more studies

like this one.

 

Anyone have an opinion on how prayer and Qi gong relate? Prayer

involves calming the mind and sending out directed positive

intentions into the universe and sometimes directly towards a

person over distances. I am not trying to have a theological

discussion, mind you! Do you believe this could be considered a

form of directed Qi?

 

I've heard the difference between meditation and prayer described

(oversimply) as: during meditation you empty your mind to receive

(from a higher power) during prayer you send messages out (to a

higher power)

 

(I know that meditation can and does incorporate sending

messages out as well as receiving..)

 

Are these two sides of the same coin? (Removing the " is it God,

the Universe, Yaweh, Allah? " you are directing or receiving from

and so on from the discussion).. Could prayer be considered a form

of emitted Qi and therefore a relative of Qi Gong?

 

I think this is an important subject as we interact with many

different types of people in our healing practice. Some will respond

very well to a suggestion of incorporation of meditation or Qi Gong

into their lifestyles, but others may respond better if we can

describe it as a relative of something they may already have

incoporated into their lives (eg: prayer). Looking forward to hearing

others perspective on this, Nadia

 

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Best regards,

 

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