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John,

I agree. I just bought a laser and have been using it in practice for

a few months and am finding it to be very effective. I think

vibrationally it works on same principles as does qigong if you think

of the practitioner as a diode directing coherent energy. There has

been some research into photon emmissions from qigong healers. I

don't think we should get so traditional and dogmatic about TCM to

the exclusion of science and helping people however naturally. I

think that the beauty of TCM is its holistic and vibrational

paradigm, when science embraces this, as in laser therapy and

functional medicine for example, I think there is enormous potential

to help people harmlessly. I think the paradigm is the key moreso

than the tools one uses in clinic. Biological induction- a small

nudge that allows the body to cascade toward higher function, can be

acheived by many modalities. It is nature that heals afterall...we

just catalyze.

 

Let me ask you this and anyone else with laser experience...I read

recently in Darryn Starwin's acupuncture today article on lasers that

the originator of colorpuncture (which uses light in the visible

spectrum that is non-coherent as opposed to lasers) (and I forget his

name-he's german) proposes that lasers " blow out " the subtle

circuitry of acupuncture points. I don't know what this means or why

he thinks this. Why would it be any more harmful than elecric stim as

far as " blowing out " circuitry?

 

Also, have you ever treated guillan barre syndrome with laser?

Nicole

 

Chinese Medicine , John Garbarini

<johnlg_2000> wrote:

> Nicole-

> I've tried and have conducted work with lasers in

> my acupuncture practice; with all due respect to the

> traditionalists of OM, I feel they'll be in wide use

> in the future, unless the FDA prohibits them.

> John Garbarini (Paramus, NJ)

> --- Nicole Hohmann <nicolehohmann> wrote:

>

> > I have heard low level laser therapy being able to

> > prevent root canals-if you know anyone in your area

> > that practices laser acupuncture...Also, evergreen

> > makes a formula " herbal ABX " - for acute toxic heat

> > infections...

> > Nicole Hohmann

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I use light acupuncture by 5 E circuitry to good effect.

 

I use the set made by Perlux Farbunktur Nach Peter Mandel which is simple

and

has the whole range of lights.

 

Incidentally I have used up both the light bulbs and find it difficult to

replace these.

Has nay one any idea of a resource one can buy from?

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

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Nicole-

I don't know about " blowing out " the effectiveness of

acup. pts. with lasers; to the contrary, I was awed by

the fact that laser light shown on acup. points proves

with technology what ancient texts said about the same

points stimulated with just needles and moxa.

Lasers will open up an entire new group:the kids.

Kids fear needles, and no amount of coaxing wil get

them into the TCM fold. But if their parents see the

kids will not be harmed by lasers, and can be charged

less, since a laser tx. with 1/2 Watt lasers can take

as little as 2-3 minutes, we may have a whole new

generation becoming accustomed to acupuncture.

After all, people nowadays don't mind having lasers

blasted into their eyeballs!

Let me know how it goes with you. Thanks-

John

--- nicolehohmann <nicolehohmann wrote:

 

> John,

> I agree. I just bought a laser and have been using

> it in practice for

> a few months and am finding it to be very effective.

> I think

> vibrationally it works on same principles as does

> qigong if you think

> of the practitioner as a diode directing coherent

> energy. There has

> been some research into photon emmissions from

> qigong healers. I

> don't think we should get so traditional and

> dogmatic about TCM to

> the exclusion of science and helping people however

> naturally. I

> think that the beauty of TCM is its holistic and

> vibrational

> paradigm, when science embraces this, as in laser

> therapy and

> functional medicine for example, I think there is

> enormous potential

> to help people harmlessly. I think the paradigm is

> the key moreso

> than the tools one uses in clinic. Biological

> induction- a small

> nudge that allows the body to cascade toward higher

> function, can be

> acheived by many modalities. It is nature that heals

> afterall...we

> just catalyze.

>

> Let me ask you this and anyone else with laser

> experience...I read

> recently in Darryn Starwin's acupuncture today

> article on lasers that

> the originator of colorpuncture (which uses light in

> the visible

> spectrum that is non-coherent as opposed to lasers)

> (and I forget his

> name-he's german) proposes that lasers " blow out "

> the subtle

> circuitry of acupuncture points. I don't know what

> this means or why

> he thinks this. Why would it be any more harmful

> than elecric stim as

> far as " blowing out " circuitry?

>

> Also, have you ever treated guillan barre syndrome

> with laser?

> Nicole

>

> Chinese Medicine ,

> John Garbarini

> <johnlg_2000> wrote:

> > Nicole-

> > I've tried and have conducted work with lasers

> in

> > my acupuncture practice; with all due respect to

> the

> > traditionalists of OM, I feel they'll be in wide

> use

> > in the future, unless the FDA prohibits them.

> > John Garbarini (Paramus, NJ)

> > --- Nicole Hohmann <nicolehohmann> wrote:

> >

> > > I have heard low level laser therapy being able

> to

> > > prevent root canals-if you know anyone in your

> area

> > > that practices laser acupuncture...Also,

> evergreen

> > > makes a formula " herbal ABX " - for acute toxic

> heat

> > > infections...

> > > Nicole Hohmann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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Hi: in reference to the bulbs to be used by Perlux pen of Peter Mandel I

found some similar bulbs with the same voltage in a light store here in

Miami. The only thing is that they don't last as much as the originals.

 

 

 

Beatriz Salcedo

 

 

 

_____

 

homi kaikobad [aryaone]

Friday, September 17, 2004 6:26 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Laser acupuncture

 

 

 

I use light acupuncture by 5 E circuitry to good effect.

 

I use the set made by Perlux Farbunktur Nach Peter Mandel which is simple

and

has the whole range of lights.

 

Incidentally I have used up both the light bulbs and find it difficult to

replace these.

Has nay one any idea of a resource one can buy from?

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

 

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

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I have a little success w Laser Ac too but haven't given it enough

clinic use. It is helpful in the syndrome where skin is overly

sensitive, up to pain level, where even gentle massage is risky. I

also have a set of colored diodes that I put into penlight size

tubes, and orange and black light diodes. The pure frequency

coherent light diodes specs do show that they have a small amount of

noncoherent spill above and beyond the advertized wavelength, so a

wider spectrum non coherent color is something I want to test for a

bit. The red coherent laser is the standard tho.

Another subject is, these machines often use standard industrial

parts. Not usually rare one of a kind poducts, except coil winding

maybe, so, if one looks at them and can understand the markings, or

takes them to a good electronics tech, repair can often be done.

In a maternity ward, a newborn w a high bilirubin count was held a

day to recieve 'special' light treatment to reduce the count. I

looked at the light panel, and the flourescent tubes were hardware

store westinghouse 60 watt, office-type tubes. The old way of

exposing the babies to sunlight made better sense. Even if it is

cold, you canput them in the window light.

 

Chinese Medicine , " Beatriz

Salcedo " <beatrizs@b...> wrote:

> Hi: in reference to the bulbs to be used by Perlux pen of Peter

Mandel I

> found some similar bulbs with the same voltage in a light store

here in

> Miami. The only thing is that they don't last as much as the

originals.

>

> > Beatriz Salcedo

> > homi kaikobad [aryaone@e...]

> Friday, September 17, 2004 6:26 PM

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Laser acupuncture

>

>

>

> I use light acupuncture by 5 E circuitry to good effect.

>

> I use the set made by Perlux Farbunktur Nach Peter Mandel which is

simple

> and

> has the whole range of lights.

>

> Incidentally I have used up both the light bulbs and find it

difficult to

> replace these.

> Has nay one any idea of a resource one can buy from?

>

> Dr. Holmes Keikobad

> MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

> www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

> NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

>

>

>

>

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page,

> http://babel.altavista.com/

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>

> and

adjust

> accordingly.

>

> If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop

being

> delivered.

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the group

> requires prior permission from the author.

 

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Nicole -

 

What a surprise to see your name pop up on this list...

 

Ray Rubio here in Los Angeles. I have referred a few folks to you out

there in Chicago, but I am still a little bit confused as to the

correct office number(s) to give them.

 

Could you please email off-list (rtoo) with the correct

numbers and address so that I can make sure they get to you?

 

Thanks. Hope all is going well.

 

Ray.

 

 

 

On Sep 17, 2004, at 2:00 PM, nicolehohmann wrote:

 

>

> John,

> I agree. I just bought a laser and have been using it in practice for

> a few months and am finding it to be very effective. I think

> vibrationally it works on same principles as does qigong if you think

> of the practitioner as a diode directing coherent energy. There has

> been some research into photon emmissions from qigong healers. I

> don't think we should get so traditional and dogmatic about TCM to

> the exclusion of science and helping people however naturally. I

> think that the beauty of TCM is its holistic and vibrational

> paradigm, when science embraces this, as in laser therapy and

> functional medicine for example, I think there is enormous potential

> to help people harmlessly. I think the paradigm is the key moreso

> than the tools one uses in clinic. Biological induction- a small

> nudge that allows the body to cascade toward higher function, can be

> acheived by many modalities. It is nature that heals afterall...we

> just catalyze.

>

> Let me ask you this and anyone else with laser experience...I read

> recently in Darryn Starwin's acupuncture today article on lasers that

> the originator of colorpuncture (which uses light in the visible

> spectrum that is non-coherent as opposed to lasers) (and I forget his

> name-he's german) proposes that lasers " blow out " the subtle

> circuitry of acupuncture points. I don't know what this means or why

> he thinks this. Why would it be any more harmful than elecric stim as

> far as " blowing out " circuitry?

>

> Also, have you ever treated guillan barre syndrome with laser?

> Nicole

>

> Chinese Medicine , John Garbarini

> <johnlg_2000> wrote:

>> Nicole-

>> I've tried and have conducted work with lasers in

>> my acupuncture practice; with all due respect to the

>> traditionalists of OM, I feel they'll be in wide use

>> in the future, unless the FDA prohibits them.

>> John Garbarini (Paramus, NJ)

>> --- Nicole Hohmann <nicolehohmann> wrote:

>>

>>> I have heard low level laser therapy being able to

>>> prevent root canals-if you know anyone in your area

>>> that practices laser acupuncture...Also, evergreen

>>> makes a formula " herbal ABX " - for acute toxic heat

>>> infections...

>>> Nicole Hohmann

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I have a laser which I use for myself and my family, I got it from Russia

where these units are used a lot in clinics. The results are mixed, in some

cases

when I use it on others (friends...) and myself, it does not seem to produce

the desired effect, and some other conditions are resolved quickly. In Russia

there were a lot of tests and clinical experiments proving lasers effective so

I use it. It definitely is pain-free and so is child and adult-friendly. I am

still not sure about the legal side of using laser in clinic here in New

York. If someone knows, could you let me know? Alexander Zide.

 

 

 

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You should join an IRB (Independent Review Board)

which will give the right to use your laser on a

" supervised basis. " The FDA takes a dim view of lasers

(and anything else that helps people), so, you can use

thelaser, but just cover your legal " bases. "

John Garbarini

--- limon1111 wrote:

 

> I have a laser which I use for myself and my family,

> I got it from Russia

> where these units are used a lot in clinics. The

> results are mixed, in some cases

> when I use it on others (friends...) and myself, it

> does not seem to produce

> the desired effect, and some other conditions are

> resolved quickly. In Russia

> there were a lot of tests and clinical experiments

> proving lasers effective so

> I use it. It definitely is pain-free and so is child

> and adult-friendly. I am

> still not sure about the legal side of using laser

> in clinic here in New

> York. If someone knows, could you let me know?

> Alexander Zide.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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