Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Some of what's been said here recently seems to refer to the effects of caffeine, while other comments refer more to coffee as a complex substance, containing, among other substances, caffeine. The tone of some comments is that coffee is inherently risky, if not harmful. That may be the result of popular over- or misuse of coffee, and a resultant sub-cultural ( " health-conscious " ) prejudice. Like alcohol, with similar overtones of a puritanical nature. I noticed recently while perusing the WuShiErBingFang ( " 52 formulas for disease " , in the MaWangDui manuscripts, 168. BCE) (1), that a high proportion of the recipes in there - informal impression, at least 1/3, maybe more of them - involved taking herbs or other substances with liquor (probably rice wine or some harder form). On the other side of world history, many (maybe even most or all) European liquors originated as medicinals, for instance formulated in monasteries. Historically, when coffee was initially adopted in Europe it was surrounded by controversy and scandal. (2) Today in European (and originally in various indigenous American) cultures, coffee plays a role in everyday rituals. a) Afternoon " tea time " in the UK, afternoon coffee break on the continent. Mid to late afternoon (UB-Ki time frame - pardon if I mix in CM perspectives here), post-natal Qi is on the wane after the day's activity. Time for a break, change of pace, a rest, with a beverage like coffee or tea, maybe with a small snack, and informal conversation with friends or family. A pick-me-up, mild stimulation of the Kidney (and Heart via the conversation), which then stimulates the Liver (via mother-child) in its rejuvenation/bounce-back function. (There's a little CM gimmick I picked up somewhere -in the " 10 question " phase of a new patient intake the question: " Does your energy bounce-back well after a short rest during the day? " measures resilience of the Liver (probably via its Yin, and probably as commonly shared with the Kidney).) I interpret this as basically a health practice. I have heard that the DimSum / DianShen tradition is similar - not a full meal affair, as often practiced in restaurants here, but a break at a tea house with friends, having tea and Asian " crumpets " . b) Also the tradition of coffee after a large meal, as a digestive aid - moves the Qi to avoid food stagnation. Add some milk/cream ( " good " phlegm to protect the stomach), and sugar (harmonize, just like GanCao/licorice) and you've got a little herbal formula. For many people, whereas a cup of coffee on an empty stomach late in the day will lead to trouble getting to sleep at bedtime, the cup of coffee on top of big meal. even fairly late in the evening, will not have this effect. Does anyone have handy one of the those CM books on diet/food which categorizes foods in the same terms as a ben-cao categorizes herbs (like Prince Wen's Cookbook, or the one by the Ni family, or Pitchford's), and which has an entry for coffee? (Mine are all at the clinic.) Some might have tea, especially green tea, which is also clearly an herb (as in the formula " Cnidium and Tea " ). Let's make one up. (All the ones in the BenCao books were originally made-up, and different books, especially in the Song-Jin-Yuen era, often contradict each other, i.e. there are differing interpretations) (3): C o f f e e nature: warming taste: spicy, bitter (actually depends on the method of extraction/decoction (4)) channels: San Jiao, Kidney, Liver functions: warms Yang; moves Qi; promotes digestion (peristalsis); supports communication between the Heart (mental alertness) and the Kidney; helps overcome toxic effects of sedative drug poisoning (5); diuretic. cautions: in excess or sensitive conditions may stir internal Wind (the jitters), scatter YangQi and deplete YuanQi (reserves) combinations: -- with dairy and sweetener as a digestive aid; -- concentrated and thick (espresso, Greek/Arabic) as a restorative; -- as a flavoring in ice-cream, because is tastes good; -- diluted as an enema. notes: There are numerous regional varieties and methods of processing and decocting, ranging from American coffee ( " dirty water " ) to Near Eastern coffee (mud). 1) c.f. the recent discussion thread " Re: " Early Chinese Medical Literature " by Donald John Harper " 2) c.f. the libretto of the " Coffee Cantata " by Johann Sebastian Bach. Similar historical phenomena accompanied the introduction of tobacco and the Viennese waltz into European popular culture. 3) Unschuld points this out somewhere, probably in " Medicine in China: a History of Pharmaceuticals " . 4) c.f. an article in Scientific American magazine, about end of 2000, which presented spectrographic analysis showing that substance releases and chemical reactions differ with the speed of the process, i.e. the rapid, pressurized 'espresso' system results in more " good " flavor and less bitterness. (Perhaps biased - the author was grandson of the Italian gentleman who invented the espresso machine.) 5) Tierra, Michael. Planetary Herbology. Lotus Press, Santa Fe NM, 1988. p.240 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Subhuti has a recent article on coffee. Check out itmonline.org -Jason _____ [] Friday, September 10, 2004 1:32 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Coffee and Jing (and other things) Some of what's been said here recently seems to refer to the effects of caffeine, while other comments refer more to coffee as a complex substance, containing, among other substances, caffeine. The tone of some comments is that coffee is inherently risky, if not harmful. That may be the result of popular over- or misuse of coffee, and a resultant sub-cultural ( " health-conscious " ) prejudice. Like alcohol, with similar overtones of a puritanical nature. I noticed recently while perusing the WuShiErBingFang ( " 52 formulas for disease " , in the MaWangDui manuscripts, 168. BCE) (1), that a high proportion of the recipes in there - informal impression, at least 1/3, maybe more of them - involved taking herbs or other substances with liquor (probably rice wine or some harder form). On the other side of world history, many (maybe even most or all) European liquors originated as medicinals, for instance formulated in monasteries. Historically, when coffee was initially adopted in Europe it was surrounded by controversy and scandal. (2) Today in European (and originally in various indigenous American) cultures, coffee plays a role in everyday rituals. a) Afternoon " tea time " in the UK, afternoon coffee break on the continent. Mid to late afternoon (UB-Ki time frame - pardon if I mix in CM perspectives here), post-natal Qi is on the wane after the day's activity. Time for a break, change of pace, a rest, with a beverage like coffee or tea, maybe with a small snack, and informal conversation with friends or family. A pick-me-up, mild stimulation of the Kidney (and Heart via the conversation), which then stimulates the Liver (via mother-child) in its rejuvenation/bounce-back function. (There's a little CM gimmick I picked up somewhere -in the " 10 question " phase of a new patient intake the question: " Does your energy bounce-back well after a short rest during the day? " measures resilience of the Liver (probably via its Yin, and probably as commonly shared with the Kidney).) I interpret this as basically a health practice. I have heard that the DimSum / DianShen tradition is similar - not a full meal affair, as often practiced in restaurants here, but a break at a tea house with friends, having tea and Asian " crumpets " . b) Also the tradition of coffee after a large meal, as a digestive aid - moves the Qi to avoid food stagnation. Add some milk/cream ( " good " phlegm to protect the stomach), and sugar (harmonize, just like GanCao/licorice) and you've got a little herbal formula. For many people, whereas a cup of coffee on an empty stomach late in the day will lead to trouble getting to sleep at bedtime, the cup of coffee on top of big meal. even fairly late in the evening, will not have this effect. Does anyone have handy one of the those CM books on diet/food which categorizes foods in the same terms as a ben-cao categorizes herbs (like Prince Wen's Cookbook, or the one by the Ni family, or Pitchford's), and which has an entry for coffee? (Mine are all at the clinic.) Some might have tea, especially green tea, which is also clearly an herb (as in the formula " Cnidium and Tea " ). Let's make one up. (All the ones in the BenCao books were originally made-up, and different books, especially in the Song-Jin-Yuen era, often contradict each other, i.e. there are differing interpretations) (3): C o f f e e nature: warming taste: spicy, bitter (actually depends on the method of extraction/decoction (4)) channels: San Jiao, Kidney, Liver functions: warms Yang; moves Qi; promotes digestion (peristalsis); supports communication between the Heart (mental alertness) and the Kidney; helps overcome toxic effects of sedative drug poisoning (5); diuretic. cautions: in excess or sensitive conditions may stir internal Wind (the jitters), scatter YangQi and deplete YuanQi (reserves) combinations: -- with dairy and sweetener as a digestive aid; -- concentrated and thick (espresso, Greek/Arabic) as a restorative; -- as a flavoring in ice-cream, because is tastes good; -- diluted as an enema. notes: There are numerous regional varieties and methods of processing and decocting, ranging from American coffee ( " dirty water " ) to Near Eastern coffee (mud). 1) c.f. the recent discussion thread " Re: " Early Chinese Medical Literature " by Donald John Harper " 2) c.f. the libretto of the " Coffee Cantata " by Johann Sebastian Bach. Similar historical phenomena accompanied the introduction of tobacco and the Viennese waltz into European popular culture. 3) Unschuld points this out somewhere, probably in " Medicine in China: a History of Pharmaceuticals " . 4) c.f. an article in Scientific American magazine, about end of 2000, which presented spectrographic analysis showing that substance releases and chemical reactions differ with the speed of the process, i.e. the rapid, pressurized 'espresso' system results in more " good " flavor and less bitterness. (Perhaps biased - the author was grandson of the Italian gentleman who invented the espresso machine.) 5) Tierra, Michael. Planetary Herbology. Lotus Press, Santa Fe NM, 1988. p.240 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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