Is it necessary to Conserve Jing?

September 10, 2004

Hi Brian

Ok. Here's a woman's voice. I thought that women only lost jing (in

a sexual sense) though gestation and childbirth and that the sex act

was potentially nourishing for women; that the meeting of man and

woman could create energy for both, especially if the man were

interested in conserving his ejaculation and promoting his mate's

for cultivation. I know that it certainly promotes harmony in the

household if not the zang fu!!;-)This is the story I tell my

boyfriend anyway!!

As for women in the sex industry, could it not be that their aging

is more due to working long hours, day and night often,

malnutrition, drug abuse and general negative outlook on life? I

doubt many of them are having orgasms on a regular basis. As for

male prostitutes...??? Sex had in the context of unhappiness or

disconnection, IMO, is quite draining and unhealthy for anyone. It

seems that it creates more desire than it satisfies (think sexual

addiction) and is perhaps sought out mistakenly--is it really love

we desire? Of ourselves? From others? Validation? Accpetance?

Personally, I think if ejaculation makes a guy very tired, it's not

contributing much to his health, just like anything else. The

daoists offer guidelines but no answers. Each man or woman can only

go by his/her own experience of effect and aftereffect. But, as a

woman, I don't experience any fatigue with orgasm so I consider it

quite healthy and appreciate a good partner who can understand the

great benefits inherent in contributing to mutual happiness.

Maintaining personal happiness and relationship harmony is, IMO, one

of the best ways to conserve jing and live a meaningful, joyful

life. Stress and unhappiness also drain jing, don't they?

Shanna

>

> Have you noticed that there are no women participating in this

> discussion? But do you think women are any less affected by

becoming

> drained from too much sex? They have the same issues as men, but

> this issue never seems to get any attention. You can see this by

> looking at how people age who are involved in the sex industry

over a

> long period of time.

>

September 10, 2004

As others have mentioned, it depends on individual constitution and

condition, on the one hand, and goals or preferences, on the other.

a) As also Rich pointed out, any consideration of how often one can afford

to ejaculate (lose Jing), such as Dr. Chang's algorithm or other

guidelines, would be always qualified relative to the individual. Some

would be hurt quite easily (function compromised, life shortened). Others

may be more " dragon " types, as, reputedly, Chang Kai Chek, who was known to

have multiple women (or times) per day continuously, without compromising

his extraordinary strength.

b) As others have pointed out, an answer would also be relative to the

individual's goals, or destiny/fate. (A teacher once made the distinction:

destiny (ming) is what is given you; fate is how you play it out.)

c) Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:10:58 " salvador_march " <salvador_march

wrote:

>> After all energy like money is to be used. question is, do we use it for

quick 5 minute gratification?. A bit like never having enough to buy

anything better that a cheap pair of sandals, or do we accumulate enough to

be able to afford a pair of good hiking boots that will outlast the sandals

ten time over.

>>But like people with money not everyone has the skill / knowledge of

how to manage / invest it. nor is it necessary or appropriate.

Looking at the MaWangDui sexual manuscripts, the YiShimPo literature, and

directives in Dr. Chang's book (which appears to be YiShimPo stuff plus

further, probably family-held tradition) as to how to create optimal

conditions for conception of an optimally endowed child. It's apparent that

in some threads of Chinese tradition there is a lot of attention paid to

optimization, refinement, etc. in this area. Perhaps like the Kama Sutra -

a cultivation or art, that can be motivated by self-strengthening,

religion, eugenics, etc.

This may be shed some light on why the Chinese population has, across a

long period of history, been one of the larger, if not the largest human

group on the planet.

Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:00:22, " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

wrote:

>> Through personal experience, I have noticed that my Wei Qi is weaken after

losing Jing through ejaculation. I believe that Macocia talked about the

link between Jing and Wei Qi before, although I haven't read this anywhere

else. Perhaps others can shed some light on this.

Anyone recall the source, or what Macocia's ideas were?

I've also heard about a connection between WeiQi and Jing (considered as

YuanQi) - that the Divergent/Distinct (bie jing) are the metaphorical

representation of this functional linkage. I.e. perverse Qi can invade,

overcome the WeiQi defenses, drives the battle into the main channels to

head directly for the internal organs. The Divergent channels " divert " it

away from the channel pathways to the organs, often into the major joints

where it is then held latent, and manifests as insidious, chronic

generative and auto-immune conditions (Wei attacking Jing).

The anatomical mapping of the divergent system also shares a lot with the

modern lymphatic system theory, whose functionality clearly resembles WeiQi

dynamics. Lymphatic fluid might also map into one of those varieties of the

thicker forms of Jin-Ye, relating to the Jing.

September 10, 2004

Hi H. Peter

Many people fail to realize that the success to proper chi kung training

revolves around building a firm foundation. In the beginning of your practice

the cultivation of jing and transmuting it to chi (lieng jing hwa chi) is

extremely important. I am in agreement with Matt when it comes to the regulation

of jing it is a fine balance. That balance is not arbitrarily or universally

assigned. It is different for everyone. I suggest that you visit a local

reputable master. She or he should be able to guide and direct you.

Now as to you feeling energize after sexual activity that is natural phenomenon

for practitioners of energy work. The feeling of energy you receive, however, is

not an indicator that jing is not being wasted or that you are improving. What

happens when we engage in sexual activity is the slight opening of our lower

energy centers and the root of carnality (uretha), thus making it possible for

the transmission of seminal fluid and internal energies into the vagina-

procreation and energy sharing. Sensitives and non sensitives alike can't help

but experience a beautiful buzz- duration of this buzz is dependent upon many

factors, so never take it as a sign of improvement or that no harm is being done

to your internal energy system.

Chi Kung is a system with many different branches. If you really do love

cultivating your enerygies utilizing sex, like Matt and many others that belong

to this group, I suggest you do some serious reading on Tantra, Sexual

Cultivation, and Consort Practices. I believe that the proper use of sex can be

an expidiant way to developing your internal energies and prolonging your life.

However, right approach and right understanding is key. Because though it is an

expidiant method it is also a method that is full of many pit falls and dangers.

Guidance. . . . correct guidance is key.

Kevin Dockery of the Foundation for the Advancement of Human Knowledge

www.fahk.org

Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote:

Dr. H. Peter Nussbaumer wrote:

<Matt !

I´m 62 years old and we have sex 3 - 4 times a week (me and my wife) and

every time i feel great ,like loading energie !!!!!!!!!

Regards H.Peter>

H. Peter,

Could you have your wife contact my wife? - Matt

But seriously folks, the advice on frequency of sexual activity will vary

for different people. The main point, I believe, is that unless you are

practicing specific spiritual techniques under proper guidance, moderation

(as it may apply to the individual) is the key to all health aspects. This

is what is meant by the " Middle Way " neither overdoing nor under-doing.