Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Does anyone have experience treating paraplegia. The accident occured 12 months ago and the patient is on multiple pain relieving drugs including methadone. He wants to reduce the oral meds that he is taking. He also has a shunt/pump. With all the pain relieving meds I get the feeling that any acupuncture effect will be greatly diminished. Any thoughts and input?? Kayte Halstead Acupuncture 4 Health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Kayte- Without knowing anything else, I can recommend doing the Japanese adrenal tx. The 4 and 8 o'clock points on the navel should be tender. The tx is: Kd 9, K 27 for detox patients, Kd 7 , Kd 27 for all other types of adrenal weakness. This will strengthen the adrenals, which are beat up whenever heavy meds like methadone are taken. The person should become a bit " clearer, " also. Beware, sometimes taking heavy meds actually MASKS signs and symptoms of illnesses which would normally be readily detected. John G. --- acupuncture4health <acupuncture4health wrote: > Does anyone have experience treating paraplegia. > The accident > occured 12 months ago and the patient is on multiple > pain relieving > drugs including methadone. He wants to reduce the > oral meds that he > is taking. He also has a shunt/pump. > > With all the pain relieving meds I get the feeling > that any > acupuncture effect will be greatly diminished. > > Any thoughts and input?? > > Kayte Halstead > Acupuncture 4 Health > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Kayte, I only have a few seconds online right now but the essence of treatment ( i get referals from Swedish Hospital and Craig Rehab the two local hospitals for about 4 spinal injury patients a year) is to support the Kidneys, Nourish the Center, Build the Ch'i and move Stagnation. I use a lot of needles when treating most Spinal injuries but will write ASAP with specifics if you wish. Doc acupuncture4health <acupuncture4health wrote: Does anyone have experience treating paraplegia. The accident occured 12 months ago and the patient is on multiple pain relieving drugs including methadone. He wants to reduce the oral meds that he is taking. He also has a shunt/pump. With all the pain relieving meds I get the feeling that any acupuncture effect will be greatly diminished. Any thoughts and input?? Kayte Halstead Acupuncture 4 Health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Kayte, > Does anyone have experience treating paraplegia. Yes, but in dogs only ... Acupuncture is excellent in paraplegic dogs (circa 85% success in 25-40 days) in disc disease, Grade 3, but much less effective (circa 30% success in 60-80 days) in disc disease Grade 4 (absence of deep-pain sensation on clamping the toes). > The accident occurred 12 months ago and the patient is on multiple > pain relieving drugs including methadone. He wants to reduce the > oral meds that he is taking. He also has a shunt/pump. With all > the pain relieving meds I get the feeling that any acupuncture > effect will be greatly diminished. Any thoughts and input?? Kayte > Halstead Acupuncture 4 Health Tough case! It is worth a try unless the spinal cord is badly severed/compressed. I would try acupuncture at BL11 + BL62 + SI03. I would add points from: points cranial to (say BL18, or 19, or 20), and caudal to the lesion (say BL21, or 22, or 23). Also, ST36 + SP06 + LI04 + LU07, bilateral, + earpoint Shenmen. Consider Scalp acupuncture for the affected areas / functions. Select 6-12 points/session. It may require many sessions, 1-2 times/week. If there is no response within 1 month, I would quit. PS: Paralysis / paraplegia is a good indication (one of the few, IMO) for electro-AP. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi All, & John, John Garbarini wrote: > Kayte- Without knowing anything else, I can recommend doing the > Japanese adrenal tx. The 4 and 8 o'clock points on the navel > should be tender. The tx is: KI09, KI27 for detox patients, KI07, > KI27 for all other types of adrenal weakness. This will strengthen > the adrenals, which are beat up whenever heavy meds like methadone > are taken. The person should become a bit " clearer, " also. Beware, > sometimes taking heavy meds actually MASKS signs and symptoms of > illnesses which would normally be readily detected. John G. John, is your adrenal tx protocol only applicable where you suspect exhausted adrenals and a lower thoracic/upper lumbar lesion, or do you use it in all paraplegics? Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Thanks Phil, John et al - Specifics would be useful - I had figured on supporting the adrenals but appreciate the detox protocol - Based on 2x weekly treatments for 1 month - wold you recommend detox every time to start. Then build nourish and move. I tend to favor moxa (direct) for St 36 - will this still be effective with L Jiao paraplegia? kayte Chinese Medicine , " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi All, & Doc, > > Doc wrote: > > Hi Kayte, I get referals from Swedish Hospital and Craig Rehab the > > two local hospitals for about 4 spinal injury patients a year. The > > essence of treatment is to Support KI, Nourish the Center, Build > > Qi and Move Stag. I use a lot of needles when treating most Spinal > > injuries but will write ASAP with specifics if you wish. Doc > > Doc, I would be interested in the details of your protocols - points > and methods used, session duration, inter-session intervals, > clinical outcomes and interval from start of therapy until significant > clinical improvement is seen. > > > Best regards, > > Email: <@e...> > > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Kayte, > I tend to favor moxa (direct) for St 36 - will this still be > effective with L Jiao paraplegia? kayte IMO, if there is no feeling of needling at ST36 (or other points on the lower limbs), you might consider changing to mirror points on the upper limb, plus ear- and scalp- points. LI11 or LI10 is a good Mirror for ST36 (and also belong to the Yangming Channel. If patient has feeling at CV08, CV06 or CV04-05, moxa there should have good effect on the lower jiao. Alternatives would be (assuming feeling exists there) GV04 and the lumbosacral space. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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