Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 I do not discount ideas of Chinese medicine, at all, when it comes to treating psychoemotional issues. I have had great success myself, using Chinese medicine - understood as medicine derived from the Chinese classics/texts and lineages - but less success using techniques belonging specifically to institutionalized TCM. In other words, the needling techniques scared away most of my patients, and the ones who stayed often got adverse reactions to the heavy-handed needling taught in my TCM needling course. Not until I switched to fine needles with minimum/no stimulation (with no classic De Qi perceived by the patient, just my own perception of " catching the fish " ) that I started to have good responses. Of course, if someone has a torn rotator cuff, I pull out the 2 " 30 gauge harpoons, but, in my humble, limited experience, and in the experience of many of my fellow practitioners, the " big hammer " approach of modern TCM is not conducive to positive results for anxious / sensitive American patients. Benjamin Hawes, MAOM, Lic. Ac., CORTEZ FAMILY ACUPUNCTURE 1430 E. Main Street, Suite #4 Cortez, CO 81321 (970) 565-0230 > Message: 1 > Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:18:03 -0700 (PDT) > Doc <Doc > Myths > > >is piss poor when it comes to > treating psychoemotional issues.< > > Here I very strongly disagree with you, and so would the hundreds of > patients i have treated succesfully for a wide range of psychoemotional > issue as would their *shrinks*. > > (and since so many folks seem to be using all of there initials) > Ron S " Doc " Rosen OMD, DAc, LAc, FNAAOM, Dipl Ac, Dipl CH,DD etc. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Hola Ben, I do agree that it seems that some of the published TCM info does not hold up in real life,of course i can not claim to have come from a standard TCM background. My point combinations come from either my lineage or my readings of Nei Jing / Nan Jing information. I routinely use 28 guage needles in my (thank G-d) very busy practice. I always seek and connect to the De Ch'i. I often stimulate the needles strongly and patients not only come back but bring their friends and families. My clinic patient load represents a wide range of typical Americans as well as a wide range of folks from the rest of our fair planet. In other words my experience is quite opposite of yours. Perhaps it is the difference in our locations or the longevity of our practices or just the way it happens. Quien sabe? Doc Rosen Benjamin Hawes <ben_laura wrote: I do not discount ideas of Chinese medicine, at all, when it comes to treating psychoemotional issues. I have had great success myself, using Chinese medicine - understood as medicine derived from the Chinese classics/texts and lineages - but less success using techniques belonging specifically to institutionalized TCM. In other words, the needling techniques scared away most of my patients, and the ones who stayed often got adverse reactions to the heavy-handed needling taught in my TCM needling course. Not until I switched to fine needles with minimum/no stimulation (with no classic De Qi perceived by the patient, just my own perception of " catching the fish " ) that I started to have good responses. Of course, if someone has a torn rotator cuff, I pull out the 2 " 30 gauge harpoons, but, in my humble, limited experience, and in the experience of many of my fellow practitioners, the " big hammer " approach of modern TCM is not conducive to positive results for anxious / sensitive American patients. Benjamin Hawes, MAOM, Lic. Ac., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 To a significant extent I do the meridian release, for want of a better discriptor, with maybe 2 needles or 3, till pulses stabilise and abdominal signs level out. There is no stimulation and the direction can be up or downstream. The depth is maybe .1 mm. I am not complaining. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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