Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Do you have a good source to purchase the Yunnan Baiyao powder or the impregnated gauze from and also how much do you use in most situations. Thanks Brian < wrote: Hi All, & Sagiv, Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir wrote: " Yunnan Baiyao is our prime remedy for skin lacerations in horses. Owner can spread the powder on the area twice/day for 5 days. For these horses we supply the remedy in cased sets of 10 bottles X 4g each. Another option is to buy Yunnan Baiyao-impregnated gauze for application to the area. Change tha gauze once/day for 5 days. Skin regeneration is quick and the skin is very clean and flat after washing off the powder on the 6th day. We tried Yunnan Baiyao a few times without success for internal bleeding. Eventually we found that we were dealing with von Willebrandt disease (an inherited blood-clotting defect). IMO, that is a bad indication for Yunnan Baiyao " . Phil's comment: Many thanks, Sagiv. NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin Blood, Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas in blood clotting problems. {HYPERLINK \l " t " }See article on herbs in von Willebrandt disease at: http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/HBT.shtml [Does anyone know what HBT is? I cannot find the professional details on the WWW site]. For other blood disorders, see: http://www.herbchina2000.com/t1_contents/01_BL.shtml Advanced Search of HerbChina: http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/search.shtml Re haemophilia, http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsConditions/Hemophiliacc.html says: Herbs: No studies have examined the value of herbs for hemophilia specifically. However, based on their own experience, herbalists may recommend herbs that strengthen blood vessels and act as astringents (causing contraction) to make bleeding less severe, such as the following: Bilberryfruit (Vaccinium myrtillus) Grapeseed extract (Vitis vinifera) Hawthornberry (Crategus monogyna) Horsechestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum) Witchhazel (Hamamelis virginiana) Yarrow(Achillea millefolium) In the case of hemophilia, however, herbal remedies should not be used without the guidance of an appropriately trained health professional. In addition, people with hemophilia should avoid ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba), as it reduces platelet clumping. Homeopathy: There have been few studies examining the effectiveness of specific homeopathic remedies. However, a review of several case reports found that the following remedies were helpful for individuals with hemophilia and even reduced their need for blood-clotting substances like factor VIII. Before prescribing a remedy, homeopaths take into account a person's constitutional type. In homeopathic terms, a person's constitution is his or her physical, emotional, and intellectual makeup. An experienced homeopath assesses all of these factors as well as any current symptoms when determining the most appropriate remedy for a particular person. Arnica— for internal or external bleeding immediately following an injury; helpful for shock or trauma Carbovegetabilis — for people with pale skin and weakness who are extremely frail, even listless, but like cold and fresh air Crotalushorridus — used when there is bleeding into the muscles and when blood appears thin and dark; this remedy is most appropriate for individuals who are tall, thin, and pale, have diarrhea and an aversion to warm food and drink; may have fears of being alone and death Hamamelis— for bleeding from a cut or wound, especially useful in nosebleeds, hemorrhoids, and broken blood vessels in the eye Lachesis— for heavy bleeding that is dark in color, especially in red- headed individuals that are jealous and depressed Millefolium— for internal or external wounds with significant bleeding and poor clotting Phosphorus— for frequent, heavy bleeding; this remedy is most appropriate for individuals who experience cold sweats and have a desire for alcoholic beverages; the individual may also feel as though clothing aggravates the throat Secale— for bleeding that is worsened by heat and lessened by cold NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin Blood, Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas in blood clotting problems {HYPERLINK \l " t " } Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Hi All, & Sagiv, Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir wrote: " Yunnan Baiyao is our prime remedy for skin lacerations in horses. Owner can spread the powder on the area twice/day for 5 days. For these horses we supply the remedy in cased sets of 10 bottles X 4g each. Another option is to buy Yunnan Baiyao-impregnated gauze for application to the area. Change tha gauze once/day for 5 days. Skin regeneration is quick and the skin is very clean and flat after washing off the powder on the 6th day. We tried Yunnan Baiyao a few times without success for internal bleeding. Eventually we found that we were dealing with von Willebrandt disease (an inherited blood-clotting defect). IMO, that is a bad indication for Yunnan Baiyao " . Phil's comment: Many thanks, Sagiv. NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin Blood, Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas in blood clotting problems. {HYPERLINK \l " t " }See article on herbs in von Willebrandt disease at: http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/HBT.shtml [Does anyone know what HBT is? I cannot find the professional details on the WWW site]. For other blood disorders, see: http://www.herbchina2000.com/t1_contents/01_BL.shtml Advanced Search of HerbChina: http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/search.shtml Re haemophilia, http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsConditions/Hemophiliacc.html says: Herbs: No studies have examined the value of herbs for hemophilia specifically. However, based on their own experience, herbalists may recommend herbs that strengthen blood vessels and act as astringents (causing contraction) to make bleeding less severe, such as the following: Bilberryfruit (Vaccinium myrtillus) Grapeseed extract (Vitis vinifera) Hawthornberry (Crategus monogyna) Horsechestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum) Witchhazel (Hamamelis virginiana) Yarrow(Achillea millefolium) In the case of hemophilia, however, herbal remedies should not be used without the guidance of an appropriately trained health professional. In addition, people with hemophilia should avoid ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba), as it reduces platelet clumping. Homeopathy: There have been few studies examining the effectiveness of specific homeopathic remedies. However, a review of several case reports found that the following remedies were helpful for individuals with hemophilia and even reduced their need for blood-clotting substances like factor VIII. Before prescribing a remedy, homeopaths take into account a person's constitutional type. In homeopathic terms, a person's constitution is his or her physical, emotional, and intellectual makeup. An experienced homeopath assesses all of these factors as well as any current symptoms when determining the most appropriate remedy for a particular person. Arnica— for internal or external bleeding immediately following an injury; helpful for shock or trauma Carbovegetabilis — for people with pale skin and weakness who are extremely frail, even listless, but like cold and fresh air Crotalushorridus — used when there is bleeding into the muscles and when blood appears thin and dark; this remedy is most appropriate for individuals who are tall, thin, and pale, have diarrhea and an aversion to warm food and drink; may have fears of being alone and death Hamamelis— for bleeding from a cut or wound, especially useful in nosebleeds, hemorrhoids, and broken blood vessels in the eye Lachesis— for heavy bleeding that is dark in color, especially in red- headed individuals that are jealous and depressed Millefolium— for internal or external wounds with significant bleeding and poor clotting Phosphorus— for frequent, heavy bleeding; this remedy is most appropriate for individuals who experience cold sweats and have a desire for alcoholic beverages; the individual may also feel as though clothing aggravates the throat Secale— for bleeding that is worsened by heat and lessened by cold NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin Blood, Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas in blood clotting problems {HYPERLINK \l " t " } Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Dear Brian, Yunnan Baiyao is readily available in Chinatown LA. One store I can recommend is Essential Chinese herbs, owned by Bill and Lai Fung (they're Taiwanese and perfectly bi-lingual). address and ph: 650 N . Spring st. LA 90012, (213)680-1374. Good luck, Yehuda On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Brian Hardy <mischievous00 writes: > Do you have a good source to purchase the Yunnan Baiyao powder or the > impregnated gauze from and also how much do you use in most > situations. > Thanks > Brian > > < wrote: > Hi All, & Sagiv, > > Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir wrote: " Yunnan Baiyao is our prime remedy for > skin > lacerations in horses. Owner can spread the powder on the area > twice/day for 5 > days. For these horses we supply the remedy in cased sets of 10 > bottles X 4g > each. Another option is to buy Yunnan Baiyao-impregnated gauze for > application to the area. Change tha gauze once/day for 5 days. Skin > regeneration is quick and the skin is very clean and flat after > washing off the > powder on the 6th day. > > We tried Yunnan Baiyao a few times without success for internal > bleeding. > Eventually we found that we were dealing with von Willebrandt > disease (an > inherited blood-clotting defect). IMO, that is a bad indication for > Yunnan > Baiyao " . > > Phil's comment: Many thanks, Sagiv. NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin > Blood, > Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas in blood clotting problems. > > {HYPERLINK \l " t " }See article on herbs in von Willebrandt disease > at: > http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/HBT.shtml [Does anyone know > what > HBT is? I cannot find the professional details on the WWW site]. > > For other blood disorders, see: > http://www.herbchina2000.com/t1_contents/01_BL.shtml > > Advanced Search of HerbChina: > http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/search.shtml > > Re haemophilia, > http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsConditions/Hemophiliacc.html says: > > Herbs: No studies have examined the value of herbs for hemophilia > specifically. > However, based on their own experience, herbalists may recommend > herbs that > strengthen blood vessels and act as astringents (causing > contraction) to make > bleeding less severe, such as the following: > Bilberryfruit (Vaccinium myrtillus) > Grapeseed extract (Vitis vinifera) > Hawthornberry (Crategus monogyna) > Horsechestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum) > Witchhazel (Hamamelis virginiana) > Yarrow(Achillea millefolium) > In the case of hemophilia, however, herbal remedies should not be > used without > the guidance of an appropriately trained health professional. In > addition, people > with hemophilia should avoid ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba), as it reduces > platelet > clumping. > > Homeopathy: There have been few studies examining the effectiveness > of > specific homeopathic remedies. However, a review of several case > reports found > that the following remedies were helpful for individuals with > hemophilia and even > reduced their need for blood-clotting substances like factor VIII. > Before > prescribing a remedy, homeopaths take into account a person's > constitutional > type. In homeopathic terms, a person's constitution is his or her > physical, > emotional, and intellectual makeup. An experienced homeopath > assesses all of > these factors as well as any current symptoms when determining the > most > appropriate remedy for a particular person. > Arnica— for internal or external bleeding immediately following an > injury; > helpful for shock or trauma > Carbovegetabilis — for people with pale skin and weakness who are > extremely frail, even listless, but like cold and fresh air > Crotalushorridus — used when there is bleeding into the muscles and > when blood appears thin and dark; this remedy is most > appropriate for > individuals who are tall, thin, and pale, have diarrhea and an > aversion to > warm food and drink; may have fears of being alone and death > Hamamelis— for bleeding from a cut or wound, especially useful in > nosebleeds, hemorrhoids, and broken blood vessels in the eye > Lachesis— for heavy bleeding that is dark in color, especially in > red- > headed individuals that are jealous and depressed > Millefolium— for internal or external wounds with significant > bleeding and > poor clotting > Phosphorus— for frequent, heavy bleeding; this remedy is most > appropriate for individuals who experience cold sweats and have > a desire for > alcoholic beverages; the individual may also feel as though > clothing > aggravates the throat > Secale— for bleeding that is worsened by heat and lessened by cold > NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin Blood, Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas > in > blood clotting problems > {HYPERLINK \l " t " } > Best regards, > > Email: < > > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, > Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not > interrupt man doing it " > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Thanks for the reply. Is there a certain amount that you would use for external use on animals or clients. I do not have any experience in making a topical application, would you mind suggesting the way to do this. Thanks Brian yehuda l frischman < wrote: Dear Brian, Yunnan Baiyao is readily available in Chinatown LA. One store I can recommend is Essential Chinese herbs, owned by Bill and Lai Fung (they're Taiwanese and perfectly bi-lingual). address and ph: 650 N . Spring st. LA 90012, (213)680-1374. Good luck, Yehuda On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Brian Hardy writes: > Do you have a good source to purchase the Yunnan Baiyao powder or the > impregnated gauze from and also how much do you use in most > situations. > Thanks > Brian > > wrote: > Hi All, & Sagiv, > > Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir wrote: " Yunnan Baiyao is our prime remedy for > skin > lacerations in horses. Owner can spread the powder on the area > twice/day for 5 > days. For these horses we supply the remedy in cased sets of 10 > bottles X 4g > each. Another option is to buy Yunnan Baiyao-impregnated gauze for > application to the area. Change tha gauze once/day for 5 days. Skin > regeneration is quick and the skin is very clean and flat after > washing off the > powder on the 6th day. > > We tried Yunnan Baiyao a few times without success for internal > bleeding. > Eventually we found that we were dealing with von Willebrandt > disease (an > inherited blood-clotting defect). IMO, that is a bad indication for > Yunnan > Baiyao " . > > Phil's comment: Many thanks, Sagiv. NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin > Blood, > Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas in blood clotting problems. > > {HYPERLINK \l " t " }See article on herbs in von Willebrandt disease > at: > http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/HBT.shtml [Does anyone know > what > HBT is? I cannot find the professional details on the WWW site]. > > For other blood disorders, see: > http://www.herbchina2000.com/t1_contents/01_BL.shtml > > Advanced Search of HerbChina: > http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/search.shtml > > Re haemophilia, > http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsConditions/Hemophiliacc.html says: > > Herbs: No studies have examined the value of herbs for hemophilia > specifically. > However, based on their own experience, herbalists may recommend > herbs that > strengthen blood vessels and act as astringents (causing > contraction) to make > bleeding less severe, such as the following: > Bilberryfruit (Vaccinium myrtillus) > Grapeseed extract (Vitis vinifera) > Hawthornberry (Crategus monogyna) > Horsechestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum) > Witchhazel (Hamamelis virginiana) > Yarrow(Achillea millefolium) > In the case of hemophilia, however, herbal remedies should not be > used without > the guidance of an appropriately trained health professional. In > addition, people > with hemophilia should avoid ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba), as it reduces > platelet > clumping. > > Homeopathy: There have been few studies examining the effectiveness > of > specific homeopathic remedies. However, a review of several case > reports found > that the following remedies were helpful for individuals with > hemophilia and even > reduced their need for blood-clotting substances like factor VIII. > Before > prescribing a remedy, homeopaths take into account a person's > constitutional > type. In homeopathic terms, a person's constitution is his or her > physical, > emotional, and intellectual makeup. An experienced homeopath > assesses all of > these factors as well as any current symptoms when determining the > most > appropriate remedy for a particular person. > Arnica— for internal or external bleeding immediately following an > injury; > helpful for shock or trauma > Carbovegetabilis — for people with pale skin and weakness who are > extremely frail, even listless, but like cold and fresh air > Crotalushorridus — used when there is bleeding into the muscles and > when blood appears thin and dark; this remedy is most > appropriate for > individuals who are tall, thin, and pale, have diarrhea and an > aversion to > warm food and drink; may have fears of being alone and death > Hamamelis— for bleeding from a cut or wound, especially useful in > nosebleeds, hemorrhoids, and broken blood vessels in the eye > Lachesis— for heavy bleeding that is dark in color, especially in > red- > headed individuals that are jealous and depressed > Millefolium— for internal or external wounds with significant > bleeding and > poor clotting > Phosphorus— for frequent, heavy bleeding; this remedy is most > appropriate for individuals who experience cold sweats and have > a desire for > alcoholic beverages; the individual may also feel as though > clothing > aggravates the throat > Secale— for bleeding that is worsened by heat and lessened by cold > NOTE: Avoid herbs that Thin Blood, Quicken Blood, or Move Blood Stas > in > blood clotting problems > {HYPERLINK \l " t " } > Best regards, > > Email: > > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, > Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not > interrupt man doing it " > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Is anyone familiar with the ingredients of these products used for trauma injury a Chinese acquainace said to get it as a plaster but I only could find it at Crane Herbs a Asian Patents Yunnan Baiyao Yunnan White Medicine 16 caps Thanks Ed kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Yunnan Baiyao is used in many different forms in China, including plasters. However, foreign distributors tend to only carry the encapsulated powder or the loose powder. As to the ingredients, they are a state secret of the PRC government. San Qi is a primary ingredient, but the original recipe was a family secret before being controlled by the State; it may possibly contain regional meds that are rarely used outside of Yunnan province. No one knows for sure. Yunnan is a large producer of medicinal products as a region. Eric Brand Chinese Medicine , " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy@h...> wrote: > > Is anyone familiar with the ingredients of these products used for trauma > injury > a Chinese acquainace said to get it as a plaster but I only could find it at > Crane Herbs a > > Asian Patents > Yunnan Baiyao > Yunnan White Medicine 16 caps > > Thanks > > Ed kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 among the ingrediants is ox gall, and tien chi --- smilinglotus <smilinglotus wrote: Yunnan Baiyao is used in many different forms in China, including plasters. However, foreign distributors tend to only carry the encapsulated powder or the loose powder. As to the ingredients, they are a state secret of the PRC government. San Qi is a primary ingredient, but the original recipe was a family secret before being controlled by the State; it may possibly contain regional meds that are rarely used outside of Yunnan province. No one knows for sure. Yunnan is a large producer of medicinal products as a region. Eric Brand Chinese Medicine , " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy@h...> wrote: > > Is anyone familiar with the ingredients of these products used for trauma > injury > a Chinese acquainace said to get it as a plaster but I only could find it at > Crane Herbs a > > Asian Patents > Yunnan Baiyao > Yunnan White Medicine 16 caps > > Thanks > > Ed kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Hi. As it is difficult to treat, I can see why, if the symptoms and signs were right, yunnan baiyao might be considered. It may have been appropriate. Not just a shotgun approach. Did it help your father? What other support did he find? How did it go? Leukemia Symptoms: http://www.oncologychannel.com/leukemias/symptoms.shtml --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Renee Jensen <ramtriangle wrote: Renee Jensen <ramtriangle Re: Yunnan Bai Yao Chinese Medicine Saturday, November 29, 2008, 11:23 PM My father was given this formula because he had Leukemia. The instructions that were given says its for Leukemia as well. He was in remission for Leukemia at the time and the Dr. who prescribed this worked in a cancer hospital. Anyone have an opionion on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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