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In a message dated 8/10/2004 6:54:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dermot writes:

Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is sweet, so

yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously

considering Coca Cola to be good for you?

 

Dermot

 

 

I think originally it was a good thing. Two tonifiers. Coca and cola

nut. South Americans still swear by the chewing of the coca leaf for good

health and energy.

 

(Internet grab)

 

Peasant farmers in the high Andes traditionally chew coca as a nutritional

supplement and energy booster and use it in religious and fortune-telling

rituals. Besides cocaine, which is one of 14 alkaloids in the leaf, coca has a

long

list of vitamins and minerals.

 

The source of Cola Nut's energizing effect is none other than common

caffeine, which also tends to stimulate the digestive system, speed up the

heart, and

flush excess fluid from the body. The nut also contains a minute, medicinally

useless amount of the asthma drug theophylline.

A native of tropical Africa, the Cola tree is an evergreen that grows to a

height of 50 to 65 feet. In its homeland, its nuts are used as a condiment and

an aid to digestion.

 

 

I am sure the original Coca Cola drink had a minimum of sugar as it was

expensive back then, and peoples taste preferences were different.

 

Now however, I would be surprised if there was any natural extract in the

drink and it has so much sugar, I think that would swamp any reason to take

it daily.

It may be used as a temporary digestive aid, but in the end it will

eventually diminish digestive capability.

 

Chris

 

 

 

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Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing?

 

It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've

used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia.

However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant

patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer

to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments?

 

Attilio

 

Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote:

> My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it

tonifys qi. <g>

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" " wrote:

> Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing?

>

> It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've

> used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia.

> However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant

> patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer

> to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments?

>

> Attilio

>

> Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote:

> > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it

> tonifys qi. <g>

 

 

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Hi all,

 

There is acouple of things we do know about what is in cocal cola,

Huge amounts of sugar and caffeine, although these days they seem to

be making a switch towards aspartame.

 

salvador

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Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is sweet, so

yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously

considering Coca Cola to be good for you?

 

Dermot

 

-

" " <attiliodalberto

<Chinese Medicine >

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:29 AM

Coca Cola

 

 

> Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing?

>

> It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've

> used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia.

> However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant

> patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer

> to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments?

>

> Attilio

>

> Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote:

> > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it

> tonifys qi. <g>

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My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene mists jing (although I

have no written reference). That explained to me the sudden rush felt after

injestion, and the flu-like symptoms of depletion that folks feel when kicking

the

habit.

 

Larry Moore

L.Ac, RN,BSN,MSOM

 

 

 

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That might have been when it still contained the substance for which it is

named.

 

Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA

Chiropractic Physician

Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture

Kent, CT

 

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" Dermot O'Connor " <dermot

<Chinese Medicine >

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:21 AM

Re: Coca Cola

 

 

> Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic.

> Dermot

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Yes Chris, I agree....can't support Coca Cola as a tonic - and with

Aspartame the story just gets worse.

 

Regards

 

Dermot

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<Musiclear

<Chinese Medicine >

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:28 PM

Re: Coca Cola

 

 

> In a message dated 8/10/2004 6:54:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> dermot writes:

> Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is sweet,

so

> yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously

> considering Coca Cola to be good for you?

>

> Dermot

>

>

> I think originally it was a good thing. Two tonifiers. Coca and cola

> nut. South Americans still swear by the chewing of the coca leaf for good

> health and energy.

>

> (Internet grab)

>

> Peasant farmers in the high Andes traditionally chew coca as a nutritional

> supplement and energy booster and use it in religious and fortune-telling

> rituals. Besides cocaine, which is one of 14 alkaloids in the leaf, coca

has a long

> list of vitamins and minerals.

>

> The source of Cola Nut's energizing effect is none other than common

> caffeine, which also tends to stimulate the digestive system, speed up the

heart, and

> flush excess fluid from the body. The nut also contains a minute,

medicinally

> useless amount of the asthma drug theophylline.

> A native of tropical Africa, the Cola tree is an evergreen that grows to a

> height of 50 to 65 feet. In its homeland, its nuts are used as a condiment

and

> an aid to digestion.

>

>

> I am sure the original Coca Cola drink had a minimum of sugar as it

was

> expensive back then, and peoples taste preferences were different.

>

> Now however, I would be surprised if there was any natural extract in

the

> drink and it has so much sugar, I think that would swamp any reason to

take

> it daily.

> It may be used as a temporary digestive aid, but in the end it will

> eventually diminish digestive capability.

>

> Chris

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Hi Dermot and all

 

I think most of the sugar was removed from Coke (at least in the

States) back in the 80s with the New Coke scam. When they changed

back to " Coke Classic " they had replaced most of the sugar with High

Fructose Corn Syrup. I think that's one of the highest glycemic

index " foods " available in the world today. I often wonder if it's

not responsible for the sudden sharp rise in obesity and Type II

Diabetes in children in the States as well in the last 10 or 15

years.

 

According to my teachers, sugar and high fructose corn syrup both

are destructive to the spleen as they are too sweet when consumed in

appreciable quantity. They are refined. Foods listed as " sweet " in

Pitchford's Healing With Whole Foods and therefore benefitial for

the Spleen are foods like rice, almond, pear, mushroom. Here's an

excerpt from that source:

" Sugar is a major life force and our bodies need it as fuel to feed

the ongoing fire of life's process. The sugars in whole foods are

balanced with the proper minerals. The energy obtained from breaking

down and assimilating these sugars is of a constant and enduring

nature.

When natural sugar is refined and concentrated, the life force is

dispersed and the natural balance upset. Refined sugar passes

quickly into the bloodstream in large amounts, giving the stomach

and pancreas a shock. An acid condition forms which consumes the

body's minerals quickly. Thus calcium is lost from the system

causing bone problems. The digestive system is weakened and food

cannot be digested or assimilated properly. This leads to a blood-

sugar imbalance and to further craving for sugar. "

According to Jack Tips, an Austin Naturopathic Physician, if one

does " treat " oneself to a cake, coke or cookie, try eating a raw

vegetable along with it--a carrot stick or celery or small salad. It

will provide some of the minerals missing/leached in eating the

refined sweet. I've tried this and it does seem to buffer the " sick "

feeling one can get after taking something very sweet.

Of course, since sugar exists at the extreme yang end of the

spectrum, in small amounts, it can be useful when overwhemed by yin

(acute damp stomach for instance and low blood sugar dizziness,

fainting)but I wouldn't consider it a Spleen tonic, IMO.

 

Regards, Shanna

 

Chinese Medicine , " Dermot

O'Connor " <dermot@a...> wrote:

> Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is

sweet, so

> yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously

> considering Coca Cola to be good for you?

>

> Dermot

>

> -

> " " <attiliodalberto>

> <Chinese Medicine >

> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:29 AM

> Coca Cola

>

>

> > Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing?

> >

> > It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas.

I've

> > used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia.

> > However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to

transplant

> > patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in

answer

> > to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments?

> >

> > Attilio

> >

> > Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote:

> > > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it

> > tonifys qi. <g>

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Bear in mind that Coke tastes very different in different places, to such

an extent that it can't be recognized as the same thing sometimes. My

grandparents lived near a bottling plant in South Georgia, USA, and the

Coca-Cola Co. executives in Atlanta used to send for cases of it from that

plant because it tasted better than from anywhere else. The local water

was full of iron, so there may have been that supplementing effect. (An

interesting balance to the formula -- iron, caffeine, sugar.... I suspect

the principles of soda production are at least as complex as those for

herbal formulas, or perhaps used to be.) I have tasted Coke elsewhere

that was (in my view) undrinkable. When the Co. brought out the " New " Coke

some years ago and caused an uproar, they eventually brought back the

" classic " Coke, but the formula was in fact changed. The ratio of sugars

(sucrose to others) was different, and it does not taste the same. It used

to have a certain " bite " that is gone. I rarely drink Coke (or any soda)

these days, but in the South of my youth, Coke -- however sweet -- was at

least a change from the ubiquitous super-sweet iced tea. All that sugar in

a hot, damp climate .... I will stop there.

 

Pat

 

 

Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing?

 

It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've

used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia.

However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant

patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer

to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments?

 

Attilio

 

Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote:

> My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it

tonifys qi. <g>

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--- Galenway wrote:

> My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene

> mists jing (although I

> have no written reference).

 

That sounds like a really good way to put it. I've

been explaining caffeine's effect as forcing the

adrenals to produce and squirt out hormones w/o it

(caffeine) providing any supplementation whatsoever.

Probably when chewed as cola nut it doesn't have this

effect since it is a whole food in that case.

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Attilio

 

> Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? It was commonly used for

> pregnant women to help them with gas. I've used it alot for a bad

> stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. However, many say its

> bad and it can't even be given to transplant patients as the

> doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer to Pete, yes

> i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? Attilio

 

The pH of CC (and may other fruit-based drinks, like orange juice, pepsi, or

white cider), can be very low. CC is said to have a pH of 2.4-3.0. Intake of

large

amounts of CC may acidify the system, and demineralise teeth.

 

Small amounts of CC (or similarly acidic drinks) are probably OK. However,

daily intake of large amounts are not advisable, IMO. Several cans of very

acidic drink/day adds a lot of acid to the system; that requires buffering /

neutralisation.

 

However, the pH of Coke is not the only consideration; the STIMULANT effect,

especially on children who tend to hyperactivity, is marked. Such kids are a lot

more troublesome after drinking Coke.

 

Best regards,

Phil

 

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Am J Dent. 1991 Jun;4(3):120-2. Enamel softening with Coca-Cola and

rehardening

with milk or saliva. Gedalia I, Dakuar A, Shapira L, Lewinstein I, Goultschin J,

Rahamim

E. Hadassah School of Dental Medicine, Hebrew University, Jerusalem. Rehardening

effects by cow's milk and by secreted saliva were investigated, in situ,

following

softening of human enamel with an acidic beverage (Coca-Cola). Volunteers

wearing

orthodontic removable appliances participated in the study. The intra-oral test

was

chosen for measuring microhardness of enamel slabs inserted into the dental

appliance. The softening and the rehardening degrees were defined as the

alterations

between initial- and experimental-microhardness value at the enamel surface. In

addition, SEM photos were prepared from the initial and experimental stages.

Exposure

of enamel slabs to the acidic beverage during 1 hour had a softening effect as

expressed by the hardness decrease and visualized by the SEM photo. Rehardening

effects following milk or saliva exposures respectively were evident, presumably

due

to deposited organic and mineral material on the enamel surface. PMID: 1863431

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

ASDC J Dent Child. 2001 Mar-Apr;68(2):122-4, 142. In vivo rehardening of

enamel

eroded by a cola drink. Kim JW, Jang KT, Lee SH, Kim CC, Hahn SH, Garcia-Godoy

F.

Department of Pediatric Dentistry and Dental Research Institute, College of

Dentistry,

Seoul National University, Seoul, Korea. There are many concerns about the

erosive

effects of acidic beverages. In this study, the effects of Pepsi-Cola (pH 2.41)

on bovine

enamel and the rehardening effect resulting from intraoral exposure of the teeth

were

determined by microhardness testing (Vicker's Hardness Number). Bovine enamel

specimens (VHN 380.00 12.74) were immersed in 100 ml of Pepsi-Cola for five

minutes

and subsequently exposed to human intraoral environment through the use of a

removable resin plate. Microhardness testing was performed on specimens after

one

hour, 24 hours and 48 hours of exposure to an intraoral environment. The

microhardness value was significantly (p<.05) reduced by the cola beverage (VHN

262.13 20.34), and significantly (p<.05) increased after intraoral exposure for

one hour

(VHN 299.75 26.86) and 24 hours (VHN 328.00 18.70). The difference in the

microhardness between the 24-hour group and the 48-hour group (VHN 333.50

15.13)

was not significant (p>.05). The microhardness value of the 48-hour group was

significantly less than the values recorded during the initial pre-study

measurements

p<.05). PMID: 11475687 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Clin Prev Dent. 1990 Dec;12(5):5-9. In vitro demineralization of enamel by

orange

juice, apple juice, Pepsi Cola and Diet Pepsi Cola. Grobler SR, Senekal PJ,

Laubscher

JA. Faculty of Dentistry, University of Stellenbosch, Typerberg, South Africa.

Enamel

demineralization was studied over periods related to normal use of an orange

juice, an

apple juice, Pepsi Cola and Diet Pepsi Cola. Rectangular blocks of intact human

enamel

(3 mm x 3 mm) were cut from teeth, coated with nail varnish except for the

enamel

surface and exposed to the drinks for 2, 4, 5, 6 or 40 minutes. The amount of

calcium

released from the enamel into solution was determined with the use of an atomic

absorption spectrophotometer. The results showed the following degree of enamel

demineralization: Pepsi Cola = orange juice greater than apple juice greater

than Diet

Pepsi Cola. The results suggest that diet colas are less demineralizing than

other acid

drinks, and complementary plaque studies indicate that they are also less

cariogenic.

The study emphasized the importance of acid-type, buffer capacity, pH and the

presence of other components on the degree of enamel demineralization. PMID:

2095316 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Dent Mater. 2000 Sep;16(5):351-5. Resistance of two dentin-bonding agents and

a

dentin densensitizer to acid erosion in vitro. Brunton PA, Kalsi KS, Watts DC,

Wilson

NH. Unit of Operative Dentistry and Endodontology, University Dental Hospital of

Manchester, Higher Cambridge Street, Manchester M15 6FH, UK.

paul.brunton OBJECTIVES: To determine the resistance of two dentin-

bonding agents (DBAs) and a dentin desensitizer to simulated dental erosion.

METHODS: Twenty teeth in each of three groups of selected premolars, with

exposed

cervical dentin, were treated with one of three dentin surface treatment

systems: Gluma

Desensitizer (Heraeus Kulzer (UK) Ltd), One Coat Bond (Whaledent (UK) Ltd), and

Optibond FL (Kerr (UK) Ltd) and exposed to water (control) and an erosive

challenge

(Coca Cola) for 14 days. Sequential tracings of the specimens were taken,

superimposed and the mean reduction in densensitizer or DBA thickness and or

tooth

loss determined. RESULTS: A mean loss of 77 microns (s.d. 14.6 microns) of tooth

tissue over the untreated sites following 14 days exposure to Coca Cola was

observed.

The application of DBAs, as opposed to Gluma Desensistizer alone, over exposed

dentin surfaces afforded substantial protection against erosion by Coca Cola

over the

period of study. The mean change in vertical profile of teeth treated with a DBA

was

20 microns (s.d. 14.7 microns), almost four times less than that seen over

untreated

sites. SIGNIFICANCE: With the exception of Gluma Desensitizer, which was lost

completely, One Coat Bond and Optibond FL demonstrated levels of acid

dissolution

resistance, which would be of potential value clinically. PMID: 10915896 [PubMed

-

indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Eur J Prosthodont Restor Dent. 2001 Mar;9(1):13-7. The erosive susceptibility

of

cervical versus occlusal enamel. Hammadeh M, Rees JS. Division of Restorative

Dentistry, Dept. Oral & Dental Science, University of Bristol Dental School,

Lower

Maudlin St., Bristol BS1 2LY. Clinical studies have strongly suggested a

multifactorial

aetiology for abfraction lesions or non-carious cervical tooth loss, with a

contribution

from erosive agents. Structural studies have shown that cervical enamel is more

porous with a poorly developed crystal structure that may be more prone to

erosion.

The aim of this study was to examine the susceptibility to erosion of cervical

and

occlusal enamel from human premolar and molar teeth. Small blocks of cervical

and

cuspal enamel were immersed in either orange juice or Coca-Cola and the surface

enamel loss was measured using profilometry. The enamel loss was essentially

linear

at a rate of 2.2-8.8 microns/hr. It was concluded that there was little

difference in the

susceptibility to erosion between cervical and cuspal enamel, even when the

surface

hypermineralised layer was removed. PMID: 11695129 [PubMed - indexed for

MEDLINE]

 

J Clin Periodontol. 1987 May;14(5):274-9. Dentine hypersensitivity. The

effects in

vitro of acids and dietary substances on root-planed and burred dentine. Addy M,

Absi EG, Adams D. Evidence indicates that teeth exhibiting cervical dentine

hypersensitivity have open dentinal tubules at the dentine surface. The

identification

of factors which render dentine exposed and tubules open is important both to

the

prevention and management of dentine hypersensitivity. In this study, recently

extracted teeth were root planed or burred to expose the root dentine. Specimens

were

horizontally sectioned and then using the apical portion as control, the coronal

portions placed in a variety of strong and weak acids and dietary fluids.

Examination

under the scanning electron microscope revealed a smear layer covering

completely

underlying tubules on the control root planed or burred portions. Test portions

exposed to strong and weak acids showed loss of the smear layer and exposure of

large numbers of tubules. Formic and tannic acids produced no changes. Some

dietary

fluids, in particular red and white wine, citrus fruit juices, apple juice and

yogurt

produced similar etching effects to the acids. The low pH carbonated drink,

coca-cola,

and a blackcurrent cordial produced no effects. The results of this study in

vitro

cannot necessarily be extrapolated to the clinical situation, but suggest that

certain

dietary factors could play a role in the aetiology of dentine hypersensitivity.

Dietary

advice to patients may prove important in the management of this often recurrent

condition. MID: 3301914 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Pediatr Dent. 1989 Dec;11(4):312-5. Effect of calcium lactate in erosion and

S. mutans

in rats when added to Coca-Cola. Beiraghi S, Atkins S, Rosen S, Wilson S, Odom

J,

Beck M. Thirty-six Sprague Dawley rats, 22 days of age, were divided randomly

into

three groups of 12 each and housed in a programmable feeder. The three

experimental

groups received either Coca-Cola (CC), Coca-Cola with calcium lactate (CC-CaL),

or

distilled water. The programmable feeder was set to deliver 17 equal volumes of

fluid

per day with each feeding period lasting between 80-90 min. All groups were

given

Diet MIT 305 in one premeasured amount per 24 hr period (ad libitum). The pH of

the

CC with calcium lactate was adjusted to match the CC without calcium lactate by

the

addition of citric and phosphoric acids. The test period lasted five weeks. Each

week,

the food and fluid consumed and the weight gain were measured. Erosion of the

teeth

was scored by the method of Restarski et al. (1945). ANOVA indicated that there

was a

significant difference in the amount of erosion among groups. A Newman-Keuls

analysis showed that the mean erosion score of the CC group was significantly

greater

(P less than 0.05) than that of the CC-CaL and distilled water groups (54.2 +/-

0.12;

0.0275 +/- 0.0123; 0.132 +/- 0.070, respectively). There was no significant

difference in

erosion between the CC-CaL and distilled water groups. There was no difference

in the

amount of food and fluid consumed among the group of rats. In conclusion,

calcium

lactate added to CC resulted in significantly reduced tooth erosion in rats.

PMID:

2639327 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Pediatr Dent. 1999 Nov-Dec;21(7):433-7. The implication of phenylketonuria on

oral

health. Kilpatrick NM, Awang H, Wilcken B, Christodoulou J. Royal Children's

Hospital, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. PURPOSE: This study was performed to

evaluate the oral health of children with PKU and to assess, in vitro, the

erosive

potential of 5 amino acid supplements commonly prescribed in the management of

these children. METHODS: Forty children with phenylketonuria underwent a full

dental examination and were compared with an age and sex matched control group.

The erosive potential of the supplements was assessed by comparing their pH and

titratable acidity to those of Coca Cola and orange juice. RESULTS: There was no

significant difference between the affected and control groups in the level of

dental

caries, with over 75% of the children examined being caries free. However

significantly

more (33%) children with phenylketonuria exhibited signs of tooth wear compared

with

24% of the controls (P<.05). While Coca Cola had the lowest pH (2.46), the

titratable

acidity of the flavoured supplements (92.86-126.8 mEq/l) was significantly

higher than

both their unflavored counterparts (4.18-14.0 mEq/l) and Coca Cola (38.56

mEq/l).

CONCLUSIONS: Despite the potentially damaging nature of their diet,

significantly

less children with PKU had ever seen a dentist. Health professionals involved in

the care of these patients should be aware of the implications of management

and provide appropriate dental advice and referral. PMID: 10633517 [PubMed -

indexed for MEDLINE]

 

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Clearly this is false.

 

In Su Wen, it says that too much of a particular flavor (which can be

interpreted as a very strong, concentrated flavor) has the opposite

effect, i.e. draining or weakening the viscera instead of supplementing

it. This is nowhere more true than with refined sugar products,

consumed in excess. There is nothing good that can be said about coca

cola or other refined sweets. People can rationalize anything.

 

 

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> Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing?

>

> It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've

> used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia.

> However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant

> patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer

> to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments?

>

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Here is an example where unclear translation of Chinese medical terms

leads to confusion.

 

Tonics, in Western herbal medicine, increase secretions, eliminative

functions, and 'detoxification'. In Chinese medicine, these medicinals

would be considered to be draining and heat clearing, or regulating qi.

 

Neither cola nut or coca supplement anything in the body. We would say

in Chinese medicine that they are warm, acrid medicinals that regulate

qi, like bing lang, for example. Stimulating substances actually drain

the correct qi, they don't supplement anything.

 

This is why using the terms 'tonic' or 'tonification' lead to

confusion. They mean something very different in Western herbal

medicine and naturopathy that bu/supplementation in Chinese medicine.

 

 

On Aug 10, 2004, at 6:28 AM, Musiclear wrote:

 

>

> I think originally it was a good thing. Two tonifiers. Coca and

> cola

> nut. South Americans still swear by the chewing of the coca leaf for

> good

> health and energy.

>

> (Internet grab)

>

> Peasant farmers in the high Andes traditionally chew coca as a

> nutritional

> supplement and energy booster and use it in religious and

> fortune-telling

> rituals. Besides cocaine, which is one of 14 alkaloids in the leaf,

> coca has a long

> list of vitamins and minerals.

>

> The source of Cola Nut's energizing effect is none other than common

> caffeine, which also tends to stimulate the digestive system, speed up

> the heart, and

> flush excess fluid from the body. The nut also contains a minute,

> medicinally

> useless amount of the asthma drug theophylline.

> A native of tropical Africa, the Cola tree is an evergreen that grows

> to a

> height of 50 to 65 feet. In its homeland, its nuts are used as a

> condiment and

> an aid to digestion

 

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Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

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Can you explain what this means? I can see where it frees up jing to

flow through the channels, but I don't understand 'misting'.

 

 

On Aug 10, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Galenway wrote:

 

> My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene mists jing

> (although I

> have no written reference). That explained to me the sudden rush felt

> after

> injestion, and the flu-like symptoms of depletion that folks feel when

> kicking the

> habit.

>

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My brother chews coca leaves addictively. His wife is from Bolivia,

so he has spent a lot of time there and has " connections " . He was in

a near-fatal motorcycle accident a few years ago...then got

testicular cancer...and now lives with a number of disabilities and

$1000 worth of pain meds a month (he lives too far away for me to

treat him, which is really frustrating). He says that the leaves

give him energy and help his digestion. His use seems addictive to

me, so its hard for me to think its a good thing. I think its

dangerous to take any one herb ongoing for a long time, eg: if you

take ginseng alone for too long you will build up heat and

stagnation. But on the other hand, as his options go, perhaps its

not so bad.

 

I find coke and coffee to be very depleting, and people always feel

so much better once they've quit for awhile. It seems to be very hard

on the kidney energy. But people say that green tea is good for you,

and it has caffience in it---so perhaps its not the caffiene that is

a problem. Personally I wouldn't drink anything that is potentially

addictive on a daily basis if I could avoid it.

 

Laura

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro

<subincor> wrote:

> --- Galenway@A... wrote:

> > My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene

> > mists jing (although I

> > have no written reference).

>

> That sounds like a really good way to put it. I've

> been explaining caffeine's effect as forcing the

> adrenals to produce and squirt out hormones w/o it

> (caffeine) providing any supplementation whatsoever.

> Probably when chewed as cola nut it doesn't have this

> effect since it is a whole food in that case.

>

> Hugo

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As you state in a later post, the stimulant caffiene actually mists correct

qi. It was my teachers contention that caffiene rapidly free'd jing from it's

roll as a catalyst to metabolized source. She felt the proof was the rapid rush

of energy after ingestion, the dramatic withdrawl symptoms dependent people

feel when no longer supplimenting and the weeks of flu-like symptoms folks must

endure as they readjust. In short, I was told stimulants like caffieine

shorten life by causing the candle of our lives to be consumed too rapidly in

order

to support a bright flame.

 

Larry Moore

L.Ac, RN,BSN,MSOM

 

 

 

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