Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 In a message dated 8/10/2004 6:54:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dermot writes: Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is sweet, so yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously considering Coca Cola to be good for you? Dermot I think originally it was a good thing. Two tonifiers. Coca and cola nut. South Americans still swear by the chewing of the coca leaf for good health and energy. (Internet grab) Peasant farmers in the high Andes traditionally chew coca as a nutritional supplement and energy booster and use it in religious and fortune-telling rituals. Besides cocaine, which is one of 14 alkaloids in the leaf, coca has a long list of vitamins and minerals. The source of Cola Nut's energizing effect is none other than common caffeine, which also tends to stimulate the digestive system, speed up the heart, and flush excess fluid from the body. The nut also contains a minute, medicinally useless amount of the asthma drug theophylline. A native of tropical Africa, the Cola tree is an evergreen that grows to a height of 50 to 65 feet. In its homeland, its nuts are used as a condiment and an aid to digestion. I am sure the original Coca Cola drink had a minimum of sugar as it was expensive back then, and peoples taste preferences were different. Now however, I would be surprised if there was any natural extract in the drink and it has so much sugar, I think that would swamp any reason to take it daily. It may be used as a temporary digestive aid, but in the end it will eventually diminish digestive capability. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? Attilio Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it tonifys qi. <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 " " wrote: > Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? > > It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've > used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. > However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant > patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer > to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? > > Attilio > > Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it > tonifys qi. <g> ------------------------------ Hi all, There is acouple of things we do know about what is in cocal cola, Huge amounts of sugar and caffeine, although these days they seem to be making a switch towards aspartame. salvador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is sweet, so yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously considering Coca Cola to be good for you? Dermot - " " <attiliodalberto <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:29 AM Coca Cola > Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? > > It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've > used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. > However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant > patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer > to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? > > Attilio > > Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it > tonifys qi. <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene mists jing (although I have no written reference). That explained to me the sudden rush felt after injestion, and the flu-like symptoms of depletion that folks feel when kicking the habit. Larry Moore L.Ac, RN,BSN,MSOM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 That might have been when it still contained the substance for which it is named. Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA Chiropractic Physician Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture Kent, CT - " Dermot O'Connor " <dermot <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:21 AM Re: Coca Cola > Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. > Dermot > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Yes Chris, I agree....can't support Coca Cola as a tonic - and with Aspartame the story just gets worse. Regards Dermot - <Musiclear <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:28 PM Re: Coca Cola > In a message dated 8/10/2004 6:54:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > dermot writes: > Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is sweet, so > yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously > considering Coca Cola to be good for you? > > Dermot > > > I think originally it was a good thing. Two tonifiers. Coca and cola > nut. South Americans still swear by the chewing of the coca leaf for good > health and energy. > > (Internet grab) > > Peasant farmers in the high Andes traditionally chew coca as a nutritional > supplement and energy booster and use it in religious and fortune-telling > rituals. Besides cocaine, which is one of 14 alkaloids in the leaf, coca has a long > list of vitamins and minerals. > > The source of Cola Nut's energizing effect is none other than common > caffeine, which also tends to stimulate the digestive system, speed up the heart, and > flush excess fluid from the body. The nut also contains a minute, medicinally > useless amount of the asthma drug theophylline. > A native of tropical Africa, the Cola tree is an evergreen that grows to a > height of 50 to 65 feet. In its homeland, its nuts are used as a condiment and > an aid to digestion. > > > I am sure the original Coca Cola drink had a minimum of sugar as it was > expensive back then, and peoples taste preferences were different. > > Now however, I would be surprised if there was any natural extract in the > drink and it has so much sugar, I think that would swamp any reason to take > it daily. > It may be used as a temporary digestive aid, but in the end it will > eventually diminish digestive capability. > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hi Dermot and all I think most of the sugar was removed from Coke (at least in the States) back in the 80s with the New Coke scam. When they changed back to " Coke Classic " they had replaced most of the sugar with High Fructose Corn Syrup. I think that's one of the highest glycemic index " foods " available in the world today. I often wonder if it's not responsible for the sudden sharp rise in obesity and Type II Diabetes in children in the States as well in the last 10 or 15 years. According to my teachers, sugar and high fructose corn syrup both are destructive to the spleen as they are too sweet when consumed in appreciable quantity. They are refined. Foods listed as " sweet " in Pitchford's Healing With Whole Foods and therefore benefitial for the Spleen are foods like rice, almond, pear, mushroom. Here's an excerpt from that source: " Sugar is a major life force and our bodies need it as fuel to feed the ongoing fire of life's process. The sugars in whole foods are balanced with the proper minerals. The energy obtained from breaking down and assimilating these sugars is of a constant and enduring nature. When natural sugar is refined and concentrated, the life force is dispersed and the natural balance upset. Refined sugar passes quickly into the bloodstream in large amounts, giving the stomach and pancreas a shock. An acid condition forms which consumes the body's minerals quickly. Thus calcium is lost from the system causing bone problems. The digestive system is weakened and food cannot be digested or assimilated properly. This leads to a blood- sugar imbalance and to further craving for sugar. " According to Jack Tips, an Austin Naturopathic Physician, if one does " treat " oneself to a cake, coke or cookie, try eating a raw vegetable along with it--a carrot stick or celery or small salad. It will provide some of the minerals missing/leached in eating the refined sweet. I've tried this and it does seem to buffer the " sick " feeling one can get after taking something very sweet. Of course, since sugar exists at the extreme yang end of the spectrum, in small amounts, it can be useful when overwhemed by yin (acute damp stomach for instance and low blood sugar dizziness, fainting)but I wouldn't consider it a Spleen tonic, IMO. Regards, Shanna Chinese Medicine , " Dermot O'Connor " <dermot@a...> wrote: > Yes...and it initially was sold in pharmacies as a tonic. It is sweet, so > yes, in theory it tonifies the Spleen, but are we really seriously > considering Coca Cola to be good for you? > > Dermot > > - > " " <attiliodalberto> > <Chinese Medicine > > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:29 AM > Coca Cola > > > > Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? > > > > It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've > > used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. > > However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant > > patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer > > to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? > > > > Attilio > > > > Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > > > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it > > tonifys qi. <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Bear in mind that Coke tastes very different in different places, to such an extent that it can't be recognized as the same thing sometimes. My grandparents lived near a bottling plant in South Georgia, USA, and the Coca-Cola Co. executives in Atlanta used to send for cases of it from that plant because it tasted better than from anywhere else. The local water was full of iron, so there may have been that supplementing effect. (An interesting balance to the formula -- iron, caffeine, sugar.... I suspect the principles of soda production are at least as complex as those for herbal formulas, or perhaps used to be.) I have tasted Coke elsewhere that was (in my view) undrinkable. When the Co. brought out the " New " Coke some years ago and caused an uproar, they eventually brought back the " classic " Coke, but the formula was in fact changed. The ratio of sugars (sucrose to others) was different, and it does not taste the same. It used to have a certain " bite " that is gone. I rarely drink Coke (or any soda) these days, but in the South of my youth, Coke -- however sweet -- was at least a change from the ubiquitous super-sweet iced tea. All that sugar in a hot, damp climate .... I will stop there. Pat Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? Attilio Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it tonifys qi. <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 --- Galenway wrote: > My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene > mists jing (although I > have no written reference). That sounds like a really good way to put it. I've been explaining caffeine's effect as forcing the adrenals to produce and squirt out hormones w/o it (caffeine) providing any supplementation whatsoever. Probably when chewed as cola nut it doesn't have this effect since it is a whole food in that case. Hugo _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hi Attilio > Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? It was commonly used for > pregnant women to help them with gas. I've used it alot for a bad > stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. However, many say its > bad and it can't even be given to transplant patients as the > doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer to Pete, yes > i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? Attilio The pH of CC (and may other fruit-based drinks, like orange juice, pepsi, or white cider), can be very low. CC is said to have a pH of 2.4-3.0. Intake of large amounts of CC may acidify the system, and demineralise teeth. Small amounts of CC (or similarly acidic drinks) are probably OK. However, daily intake of large amounts are not advisable, IMO. Several cans of very acidic drink/day adds a lot of acid to the system; that requires buffering / neutralisation. However, the pH of Coke is not the only consideration; the STIMULANT effect, especially on children who tend to hyperactivity, is marked. Such kids are a lot more troublesome after drinking Coke. Best regards, Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am J Dent. 1991 Jun;4(3):120-2. Enamel softening with Coca-Cola and rehardening with milk or saliva. Gedalia I, Dakuar A, Shapira L, Lewinstein I, Goultschin J, Rahamim E. Hadassah School of Dental Medicine, Hebrew University, Jerusalem. Rehardening effects by cow's milk and by secreted saliva were investigated, in situ, following softening of human enamel with an acidic beverage (Coca-Cola). Volunteers wearing orthodontic removable appliances participated in the study. The intra-oral test was chosen for measuring microhardness of enamel slabs inserted into the dental appliance. The softening and the rehardening degrees were defined as the alterations between initial- and experimental-microhardness value at the enamel surface. In addition, SEM photos were prepared from the initial and experimental stages. Exposure of enamel slabs to the acidic beverage during 1 hour had a softening effect as expressed by the hardness decrease and visualized by the SEM photo. Rehardening effects following milk or saliva exposures respectively were evident, presumably due to deposited organic and mineral material on the enamel surface. PMID: 1863431 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ASDC J Dent Child. 2001 Mar-Apr;68(2):122-4, 142. In vivo rehardening of enamel eroded by a cola drink. Kim JW, Jang KT, Lee SH, Kim CC, Hahn SH, Garcia-Godoy F. Department of Pediatric Dentistry and Dental Research Institute, College of Dentistry, Seoul National University, Seoul, Korea. There are many concerns about the erosive effects of acidic beverages. In this study, the effects of Pepsi-Cola (pH 2.41) on bovine enamel and the rehardening effect resulting from intraoral exposure of the teeth were determined by microhardness testing (Vicker's Hardness Number). Bovine enamel specimens (VHN 380.00 12.74) were immersed in 100 ml of Pepsi-Cola for five minutes and subsequently exposed to human intraoral environment through the use of a removable resin plate. Microhardness testing was performed on specimens after one hour, 24 hours and 48 hours of exposure to an intraoral environment. The microhardness value was significantly (p<.05) reduced by the cola beverage (VHN 262.13 20.34), and significantly (p<.05) increased after intraoral exposure for one hour (VHN 299.75 26.86) and 24 hours (VHN 328.00 18.70). The difference in the microhardness between the 24-hour group and the 48-hour group (VHN 333.50 15.13) was not significant (p>.05). The microhardness value of the 48-hour group was significantly less than the values recorded during the initial pre-study measurements p<.05). PMID: 11475687 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Clin Prev Dent. 1990 Dec;12(5):5-9. In vitro demineralization of enamel by orange juice, apple juice, Pepsi Cola and Diet Pepsi Cola. Grobler SR, Senekal PJ, Laubscher JA. Faculty of Dentistry, University of Stellenbosch, Typerberg, South Africa. Enamel demineralization was studied over periods related to normal use of an orange juice, an apple juice, Pepsi Cola and Diet Pepsi Cola. Rectangular blocks of intact human enamel (3 mm x 3 mm) were cut from teeth, coated with nail varnish except for the enamel surface and exposed to the drinks for 2, 4, 5, 6 or 40 minutes. The amount of calcium released from the enamel into solution was determined with the use of an atomic absorption spectrophotometer. The results showed the following degree of enamel demineralization: Pepsi Cola = orange juice greater than apple juice greater than Diet Pepsi Cola. The results suggest that diet colas are less demineralizing than other acid drinks, and complementary plaque studies indicate that they are also less cariogenic. The study emphasized the importance of acid-type, buffer capacity, pH and the presence of other components on the degree of enamel demineralization. PMID: 2095316 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Dent Mater. 2000 Sep;16(5):351-5. Resistance of two dentin-bonding agents and a dentin densensitizer to acid erosion in vitro. Brunton PA, Kalsi KS, Watts DC, Wilson NH. Unit of Operative Dentistry and Endodontology, University Dental Hospital of Manchester, Higher Cambridge Street, Manchester M15 6FH, UK. paul.brunton OBJECTIVES: To determine the resistance of two dentin- bonding agents (DBAs) and a dentin desensitizer to simulated dental erosion. METHODS: Twenty teeth in each of three groups of selected premolars, with exposed cervical dentin, were treated with one of three dentin surface treatment systems: Gluma Desensitizer (Heraeus Kulzer (UK) Ltd), One Coat Bond (Whaledent (UK) Ltd), and Optibond FL (Kerr (UK) Ltd) and exposed to water (control) and an erosive challenge (Coca Cola) for 14 days. Sequential tracings of the specimens were taken, superimposed and the mean reduction in densensitizer or DBA thickness and or tooth loss determined. RESULTS: A mean loss of 77 microns (s.d. 14.6 microns) of tooth tissue over the untreated sites following 14 days exposure to Coca Cola was observed. The application of DBAs, as opposed to Gluma Desensistizer alone, over exposed dentin surfaces afforded substantial protection against erosion by Coca Cola over the period of study. The mean change in vertical profile of teeth treated with a DBA was 20 microns (s.d. 14.7 microns), almost four times less than that seen over untreated sites. SIGNIFICANCE: With the exception of Gluma Desensitizer, which was lost completely, One Coat Bond and Optibond FL demonstrated levels of acid dissolution resistance, which would be of potential value clinically. PMID: 10915896 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Eur J Prosthodont Restor Dent. 2001 Mar;9(1):13-7. The erosive susceptibility of cervical versus occlusal enamel. Hammadeh M, Rees JS. Division of Restorative Dentistry, Dept. Oral & Dental Science, University of Bristol Dental School, Lower Maudlin St., Bristol BS1 2LY. Clinical studies have strongly suggested a multifactorial aetiology for abfraction lesions or non-carious cervical tooth loss, with a contribution from erosive agents. Structural studies have shown that cervical enamel is more porous with a poorly developed crystal structure that may be more prone to erosion. The aim of this study was to examine the susceptibility to erosion of cervical and occlusal enamel from human premolar and molar teeth. Small blocks of cervical and cuspal enamel were immersed in either orange juice or Coca-Cola and the surface enamel loss was measured using profilometry. The enamel loss was essentially linear at a rate of 2.2-8.8 microns/hr. It was concluded that there was little difference in the susceptibility to erosion between cervical and cuspal enamel, even when the surface hypermineralised layer was removed. PMID: 11695129 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] J Clin Periodontol. 1987 May;14(5):274-9. Dentine hypersensitivity. The effects in vitro of acids and dietary substances on root-planed and burred dentine. Addy M, Absi EG, Adams D. Evidence indicates that teeth exhibiting cervical dentine hypersensitivity have open dentinal tubules at the dentine surface. The identification of factors which render dentine exposed and tubules open is important both to the prevention and management of dentine hypersensitivity. In this study, recently extracted teeth were root planed or burred to expose the root dentine. Specimens were horizontally sectioned and then using the apical portion as control, the coronal portions placed in a variety of strong and weak acids and dietary fluids. Examination under the scanning electron microscope revealed a smear layer covering completely underlying tubules on the control root planed or burred portions. Test portions exposed to strong and weak acids showed loss of the smear layer and exposure of large numbers of tubules. Formic and tannic acids produced no changes. Some dietary fluids, in particular red and white wine, citrus fruit juices, apple juice and yogurt produced similar etching effects to the acids. The low pH carbonated drink, coca-cola, and a blackcurrent cordial produced no effects. The results of this study in vitro cannot necessarily be extrapolated to the clinical situation, but suggest that certain dietary factors could play a role in the aetiology of dentine hypersensitivity. Dietary advice to patients may prove important in the management of this often recurrent condition. MID: 3301914 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Pediatr Dent. 1989 Dec;11(4):312-5. Effect of calcium lactate in erosion and S. mutans in rats when added to Coca-Cola. Beiraghi S, Atkins S, Rosen S, Wilson S, Odom J, Beck M. Thirty-six Sprague Dawley rats, 22 days of age, were divided randomly into three groups of 12 each and housed in a programmable feeder. The three experimental groups received either Coca-Cola (CC), Coca-Cola with calcium lactate (CC-CaL), or distilled water. The programmable feeder was set to deliver 17 equal volumes of fluid per day with each feeding period lasting between 80-90 min. All groups were given Diet MIT 305 in one premeasured amount per 24 hr period (ad libitum). The pH of the CC with calcium lactate was adjusted to match the CC without calcium lactate by the addition of citric and phosphoric acids. The test period lasted five weeks. Each week, the food and fluid consumed and the weight gain were measured. Erosion of the teeth was scored by the method of Restarski et al. (1945). ANOVA indicated that there was a significant difference in the amount of erosion among groups. A Newman-Keuls analysis showed that the mean erosion score of the CC group was significantly greater (P less than 0.05) than that of the CC-CaL and distilled water groups (54.2 +/- 0.12; 0.0275 +/- 0.0123; 0.132 +/- 0.070, respectively). There was no significant difference in erosion between the CC-CaL and distilled water groups. There was no difference in the amount of food and fluid consumed among the group of rats. In conclusion, calcium lactate added to CC resulted in significantly reduced tooth erosion in rats. PMID: 2639327 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Pediatr Dent. 1999 Nov-Dec;21(7):433-7. The implication of phenylketonuria on oral health. Kilpatrick NM, Awang H, Wilcken B, Christodoulou J. Royal Children's Hospital, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. PURPOSE: This study was performed to evaluate the oral health of children with PKU and to assess, in vitro, the erosive potential of 5 amino acid supplements commonly prescribed in the management of these children. METHODS: Forty children with phenylketonuria underwent a full dental examination and were compared with an age and sex matched control group. The erosive potential of the supplements was assessed by comparing their pH and titratable acidity to those of Coca Cola and orange juice. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between the affected and control groups in the level of dental caries, with over 75% of the children examined being caries free. However significantly more (33%) children with phenylketonuria exhibited signs of tooth wear compared with 24% of the controls (P<.05). While Coca Cola had the lowest pH (2.46), the titratable acidity of the flavoured supplements (92.86-126.8 mEq/l) was significantly higher than both their unflavored counterparts (4.18-14.0 mEq/l) and Coca Cola (38.56 mEq/l). CONCLUSIONS: Despite the potentially damaging nature of their diet, significantly less children with PKU had ever seen a dentist. Health professionals involved in the care of these patients should be aware of the implications of management and provide appropriate dental advice and referral. 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Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Clearly this is false. In Su Wen, it says that too much of a particular flavor (which can be interpreted as a very strong, concentrated flavor) has the opposite effect, i.e. draining or weakening the viscera instead of supplementing it. This is nowhere more true than with refined sugar products, consumed in excess. There is nothing good that can be said about coca cola or other refined sweets. People can rationalize anything. On Aug 10, 2004, at 2:29 AM, wrote: > Is CocaCola a good thing or bad thing? > > It was commonly used for pregnant women to help them with gas. I've > used it alot for a bad stomach whilst on my travels around Asia. > However, many say its bad and it can't even be given to transplant > patients as the doctors don't know what's in it. So....but in answer > to Pete, yes i think it tonifies the Spleen. Any other comments? > > Attilio > > Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: >> My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it > tonifys qi. <gMembership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, > religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being > delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Here is an example where unclear translation of Chinese medical terms leads to confusion. Tonics, in Western herbal medicine, increase secretions, eliminative functions, and 'detoxification'. In Chinese medicine, these medicinals would be considered to be draining and heat clearing, or regulating qi. Neither cola nut or coca supplement anything in the body. We would say in Chinese medicine that they are warm, acrid medicinals that regulate qi, like bing lang, for example. Stimulating substances actually drain the correct qi, they don't supplement anything. This is why using the terms 'tonic' or 'tonification' lead to confusion. They mean something very different in Western herbal medicine and naturopathy that bu/supplementation in Chinese medicine. On Aug 10, 2004, at 6:28 AM, Musiclear wrote: > > I think originally it was a good thing. Two tonifiers. Coca and > cola > nut. South Americans still swear by the chewing of the coca leaf for > good > health and energy. > > (Internet grab) > > Peasant farmers in the high Andes traditionally chew coca as a > nutritional > supplement and energy booster and use it in religious and > fortune-telling > rituals. Besides cocaine, which is one of 14 alkaloids in the leaf, > coca has a long > list of vitamins and minerals. > > The source of Cola Nut's energizing effect is none other than common > caffeine, which also tends to stimulate the digestive system, speed up > the heart, and > flush excess fluid from the body. The nut also contains a minute, > medicinally > useless amount of the asthma drug theophylline. > A native of tropical Africa, the Cola tree is an evergreen that grows > to a > height of 50 to 65 feet. In its homeland, its nuts are used as a > condiment and > an aid to digestion Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Can you explain what this means? I can see where it frees up jing to flow through the channels, but I don't understand 'misting'. On Aug 10, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Galenway wrote: > My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene mists jing > (although I > have no written reference). That explained to me the sudden rush felt > after > injestion, and the flu-like symptoms of depletion that folks feel when > kicking the > habit. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 My brother chews coca leaves addictively. His wife is from Bolivia, so he has spent a lot of time there and has " connections " . He was in a near-fatal motorcycle accident a few years ago...then got testicular cancer...and now lives with a number of disabilities and $1000 worth of pain meds a month (he lives too far away for me to treat him, which is really frustrating). He says that the leaves give him energy and help his digestion. His use seems addictive to me, so its hard for me to think its a good thing. I think its dangerous to take any one herb ongoing for a long time, eg: if you take ginseng alone for too long you will build up heat and stagnation. But on the other hand, as his options go, perhaps its not so bad. I find coke and coffee to be very depleting, and people always feel so much better once they've quit for awhile. It seems to be very hard on the kidney energy. But people say that green tea is good for you, and it has caffience in it---so perhaps its not the caffiene that is a problem. Personally I wouldn't drink anything that is potentially addictive on a daily basis if I could avoid it. Laura Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor> wrote: > --- Galenway@A... wrote: > > My herbal instructor in school used to say caffiene > > mists jing (although I > > have no written reference). > > That sounds like a really good way to put it. I've > been explaining caffeine's effect as forcing the > adrenals to produce and squirt out hormones w/o it > (caffeine) providing any supplementation whatsoever. > Probably when chewed as cola nut it doesn't have this > effect since it is a whole food in that case. > > Hugo > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hi All, A little He Huan Pi in your cola? http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_91348.html<http://www.ananova.com/news/stor\ y/sm_91348.html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 As you state in a later post, the stimulant caffiene actually mists correct qi. It was my teachers contention that caffiene rapidly free'd jing from it's roll as a catalyst to metabolized source. She felt the proof was the rapid rush of energy after ingestion, the dramatic withdrawl symptoms dependent people feel when no longer supplimenting and the weeks of flu-like symptoms folks must endure as they readjust. In short, I was told stimulants like caffieine shorten life by causing the candle of our lives to be consumed too rapidly in order to support a bright flame. Larry Moore L.Ac, RN,BSN,MSOM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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