Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hi All, Awhile back someone posted the " Ghost Point Treatment " , and I had a few questions about it---and also am curious if this is the protocol that others use because I have one that uses a few different points. Here is the protocol that was given: Sun Si-Miao's 13 ghost points Males- initiatte on left Females initiate on right Gv 26 .3-.5 cun LU 11 .3 cun Sp 1 .2 cun PC 7 .5 cun BL 62 warm needle insert and withdraw quickly 3-7x GV 16 1 cun St 6 warm bleeding needle Cv 24 .2-.3 cun PC 8 .3-.5 cun GV 23 .3-.5 cun Cv 1 (men) moxa cauterization 3x or Yu men (women) moxa LI 11 warm needle insert and withdraw 3-7x Hai Quan .2-.3 cun w/ bledding needle Here is the protocol that I have: Du 26 Du 16 Du 23 Du 1 Jin Jin/Yu Ye LI 11 Lu 11 Per 7 Per 8 Ren 24 Sp 1 St 6 UB 62 So here are my questions: 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? 2. The first protocol calls for " warming needle insert and withdraw 3-7 x's " . My understanding of warming needle is when you burn moxa on a needle--so I don't understand how you can insert it quickly when you have to burn moxa on it??? 3. Does anyone have experience with the second protocol and how effective it is? I'm curious because I'd prefer to use it (considering it doesn't have Ren 1 which is too personal for some people). 4. When doing these Du points I'm thinking that you would want to direct the needle backward, against the flow of the meridian in order to reduce. Is that your experience? 5. Any experience to share on what sorts of problems this has been effective with? The original poster said it was good for stubborn thought processes like Obsessive Compulsive disorder and I know a few people who would benefit from that. Thanks for the feedback! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> wrote: >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? lingual frenulum -- the piece of tissue that connects the underside of the tongue to the bottom of the mouth. > > 2. The first protocol calls for " warming needle insert and withdraw > 3-7 x's " . My understanding of warming needle is when you burn moxa > on a needle--so I don't understand how you can insert it quickly when > you have to burn moxa on it??? might be fire needle -- heated until it is red hot and quickly inserted & withdrawn. rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? Hai Quan is EX-HN11 - kampo36 Chinese Medicine Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:04 PM Re: Ghost Point Treatment Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> wrote: >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Yes....which is under the tongue isn't it? - " guigen_qigong " <guigen_qigong <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:55 PM Re: Re: Ghost Point Treatment > >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? > > Hai Quan is EX-HN11 > > - > kampo36 > Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:04 PM > Re: Ghost Point Treatment > > > Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> > wrote: > >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hai Quan is located under the tongue at the centre of the lingual frenulum. - " guigen_qigong " <guigen_qigong <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:55 PM Re: Re: Ghost Point Treatment > >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? > > Hai Quan is EX-HN11 > > - > kampo36 > Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:04 PM > Re: Ghost Point Treatment > > > Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> > wrote: > >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Yes! " Hai " means sea, and " Quan " means spring (water coming from earth) . One of its indications is Diabetes (for its thirst) - Dermot O'Connor Chinese Medicine Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:44 PM Re: Re: Ghost Point Treatment Yes....which is under the tongue isn't it? - " guigen_qigong " <guigen_qigong <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:55 PM Re: Re: Ghost Point Treatment > >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? > > Hai Quan is EX-HN11 > > - > kampo36 > Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:04 PM > Re: Ghost Point Treatment > > > Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> > wrote: > >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 One way of 'warming a needle', don't forget these were the old days without climate control, was to just warm it in your mouth to body temperature and insert it. Not ok anymore. kampo36 <kampo36 wrote:--- In Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> wrote: >> 1. Does anyone know where Hai Quan is? lingual frenulum -- the piece of tissue that connects the underside of the tongue to the bottom of the mouth. > > 2. The first protocol calls for " warming needle insert and withdraw > 3-7 x's " . My understanding of warming needle is when you burn moxa > on a needle--so I don't understand how you can insert it quickly when > you have to burn moxa on it??? might be fire needle -- heated until it is red hot and quickly inserted & withdrawn. rh Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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