Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Depends on the form of Qi gong one is practicing. What I was taught by my Si-fu has a lot to do with work with the spine. Especially when you consider that the spine is a part of the Macro and Micro Cosmic Orbits. In my case with Qi gong the condition of the spine if of the most importance and practice of Qi gong provides means for the Free flow of energy through this area ,and keeps the spine supple and strong. Alex Zide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Hi all, It ocurred to me, after the lecture I listened to last week on the health problems caused by obstructions in the spine, that TCM, without the incorporation of direct tuina manipulation of the spinal area, would have great difficulty treating these kind of problems. I did a quick scan using google and came across this very interesting dissertation that discusses Ankylosing Spondylitis: pages.zoom.co.uk/nowandzen/rj.doc In this dissertation (which requires MS Word to open) the author who has this problem discusses the different approaches used by Western medicine, TCM, and Shiatsu. Of note is that the author eventually came to rely on Shiatsu for his treatments and advocates the incorporation of shiatsu-like stretches into normal life, in order to keep the spine fliexible " like a willow " . It does not seem surprising to me that acupuncture or herbs alone, with the use of tuina or similar such manipulation, would be insufficient in the treatment of these kind of problems. My doctor has treated these problems with sucess though it does take time and work on the spine itelf - not just the meridians. Would any one like to comment on the sufficiency of herbs and/or acupuncture to treat what I would call " hardening of the spine " ? Have you found herbs and/or acupuncture sufficient or are additional techniques such as tuina or shiatsu required? Has anyone found that qigong alone to be sufficient? It is not the case in my experiences. Thanks for your comments. Regards,| Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hi Alex, > Depends on the form of Qi gong one is practicing. What I was taught by my > Si-fu has a lot to do with work with the spine. Especially when you consider that > the spine is a part of the Macro and Micro Cosmic Orbits. In my case with Qi > gong the condition of the spine if of the most importance and practice of Qi > gong provides means for the Free flow of energy through this area ,and keeps > the spine supple and strong. Alex Zide > From my own experiences, it would appear that it is possible to connects the du and ren meridians if the spine is relatively unubstructed at the physical level. But I would not think that Micro Cosmic in itself would be sufficient to treat fusion in the spine ... or if it was sufficient, it might take many, many years. Of course, one can combine Micro Cosmic meditation with various qigong exercises that would losen the spine over time, but this would introduce physical exercise along with the meditation. So again, the physical exerices of some sort would have to be introduced. Have you had different experiences or has your Si-fu suggested differently? Thanks. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 》》》Has anyone found that qigong alone to be sufficient? It need time to accumulate qi for self_healing. depends, different people has different result. Guigen - Rich Chinese Medicine Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:09 AM Fusion in Spine Hi all, It ocurred to me, after the lecture I listened to last week on the health problems caused by obstructions in the spine, that TCM, without the incorporation of direct tuina manipulation of the spinal area, would have great difficulty treating these kind of problems. I did a quick scan using google and came across this very interesting dissertation that discusses Ankylosing Spondylitis: pages.zoom.co.uk/nowandzen/rj.doc In this dissertation (which requires MS Word to open) the author who has this problem discusses the different approaches used by Western medicine, TCM, and Shiatsu. Of note is that the author eventually came to rely on Shiatsu for his treatments and advocates the incorporation of shiatsu-like stretches into normal life, in order to keep the spine fliexible " like a willow " . It does not seem surprising to me that acupuncture or herbs alone, with the use of tuina or similar such manipulation, would be insufficient in the treatment of these kind of problems. My doctor has treated these problems with sucess though it does take time and work on the spine itelf - not just the meridians. Would any one like to comment on the sufficiency of herbs and/or acupuncture to treat what I would call " hardening of the spine " ? Have you found herbs and/or acupuncture sufficient or are additional techniques such as tuina or shiatsu required? Has anyone found that qigong alone to be sufficient? It is not the case in my experiences. Thanks for your comments. Regards,| Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hi Guigen, > Has anyone found that > qigong alone to be sufficient? > > It need time to accumulate qi for self_healing. depends, different people has different result. > > Guigen > Have you actually been involved in a situation or has any of your teachers talked about a situation where qigong was sufficient to open up a fused spine? Did this require physical exercises as well as breathing medititation? Thanks. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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