Master Ji

[Guest guest]

HI Matt,

 

You wrote:

" Finally one day it hit me - he was not directing the treatment, he

was following a

stream of qi that guided has hands with the greatest of ease. I asked

him (with my friend interpreting) if this was the case. He

gave me a wry smile and told me I had learned his secret. Over time,

I learned to do a bit of this myself. In addition to PC 8, the

tip of the middle finger (PC9) is also used to find qi blockages

almost as a dousing rod would be used to find water. In my own

experience, the Pericardium points are important because they connect

with the shen energy via the Heart system. The YinTang (Third

Eye) point and Bai Hui (GV 20) can also become sensitive and help

guide diagnosis and treatment. When you follow a patient's qi,

there is a groove or sweet-spot that you find and try to stay within.

It is almost like hitting a golf ball dead square - you know "

 

Can you say more about the stream of qi Master Ji was following. Is

the stream a mutual connection between Master Ji and the patient, or

does it come more from Master or the patient?

 

How does GV 20 and Yin Tang specifically help guide diagnosis and

treatment?

 

Thanks,

Malino

[Guest guest]

Hi Malino- You asked:

 

 

<Can you say more about the stream of qi Master Ji was following. Is

the stream a mutual connection between Master Ji and the patient, or

does it come more from Master or the patient?>

 

 

 

On the surface, this stream may seem to be more the case of following the

patient's qi as it can change so much from patient to patient or even the same

patient at different times. But, when one digs a little deeper, it seems to

really be a mutual connection between the Master and the patient as different

healers with the same ability would feel this stream somewhat differently even

with similar healing results. At a deeper level however, I would say there is a

third component that is easily overlooked and that is the event itself. By this

I mean the actual healing interaction between the patient and the Master that

takes place in a specific place in space and at a specific time. As space, time,

and the internal dynamics of both the patient and healer are in a constant state

of change, the triad of patient, healer and their interaction is always a unique

event that could never be exactly duplicated again.

 

 

 

My understanding of Taoist philosophy is that everything in life is an example

of similar triads - what my teacher calls a " Three in One " . This is what the Tai

Chi symbol is meant to symbolize - the triad of yin, yang and their interaction

as one harmonious whole. This is also spelled out in the Tao De Ching when Lao

Tzu states that " From the Nothingness comes the one - From the One comes the Two

- From the Two comes the Three - From the Three comes the myriad (numberless)

things. " In Taoist numerology (the use of numbers to help understand nature),

the number three is the primary number in the manifest (physical) realm, the

lowest common denominator so to speak.

 

 

 

The third component - the dynamic of yin/yang interaction that could be said to

itself be neither yin nor yang - is in my book the most mysterious and subtle

force that one can possibly attune themselves to. It goes by many traditional

names such as the " Mystical Pivot " , the " Devine Gate " , etc. This is also the

" groove " I mentioned in my post that is so tricky to find and stay within.

 

 

 

 

 

 

<How does GV 20 and Yin Tang specifically help guide diagnosis and

treatment?>

 

 

 

These points are especially connected to shen qi that serves as a bridge (that

mysterious middle-ground again) between the individual's conscious awareness

(yin) and the awareness of the all-knowing Universal Mind (yang). Actually all

points and channels potentially help in this regard, it is just that some are

relatively more directly related to this function than others. Information from

this connection arrives to one's conscious mind via one's so-called " intuition. "

It is similar to what can happen in the martial arts when one has no time for

reason-out the best move to make to avoid injury and disable an attacker - one

just knows and reacts instantly. It is also similar to the instant manner one is

supposed to respond to a Buddhist " koan " or seemingly senseless question: " Can

you hear the sound of one hand clapping? " The ability to respond to a given

situation in the most appropriate manner comes to us intuitively via our shen qi

and its connection with the shen qi of great Nature.

 

 

All the above, of course, is my personal understanding. Others may have

different ideas and experiences. I hope this was of use to you and thanks for

your questions. - Matt

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

qiprof

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:42 PM

Master Ji

 

 

HI Matt,

 

You wrote:

" Finally one day it hit me - he was not directing the treatment, he

was following a

stream of qi that guided has hands with the greatest of ease. I asked

him (with my friend interpreting) if this was the case. He

gave me a wry smile and told me I had learned his secret. Over time,

I learned to do a bit of this myself. In addition to PC 8, the

tip of the middle finger (PC9) is also used to find qi blockages

almost as a dousing rod would be used to find water. In my own

experience, the Pericardium points are important because they connect

with the shen energy via the Heart system. The YinTang (Third

Eye) point and Bai Hui (GV 20) can also become sensitive and help

guide diagnosis and treatment. When you follow a patient's qi,

there is a groove or sweet-spot that you find and try to stay within.

It is almost like hitting a golf ball dead square - you know "

 

Can you say more about the stream of qi Master Ji was following. Is

the stream a mutual connection between Master Ji and the patient, or

does it come more from Master or the patient?

 

How does GV 20 and Yin Tang specifically help guide diagnosis and

treatment?

 

Thanks,

Malino

 

 

 

 

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All the above, of course, is my personal understanding. Others may have

different ideas and experiences. I hope this was of use to you and thanks for

your questions. - Matt

 

Very nice Matt. The third being the present experience in wide full feeling

mind, the Unity. Where self and its limitation is suspended for feeling all

there is in this cave of the moon. Worded concepts can alude to, and clue you to

the affirmation only. My words are poor, but your feeling as I can understand

is right there, or, here..

[Guest guest]

Sorry to reply in choppy way, but this thread I am following here is closest so

far to the subjective reality of the phenomenon. Linguists may endlessly try

to define 'cognitive dissonance', or 'concensus of reality', or 'Unity', and

personally some may be very ripe/close to experience, but until it is

experienced by the body and conciousness, at influence of one at the top of the

'game', a master, it is only little steps, conditioned or invalidated by day to

day life. That has to suffice because of the 'few and far between'. It has

always been this way. Few streams and few masters, and these days fewer

processors to finish. My direct strict benefactor's lineage after a thousand

years in china, came with him early last century to the USA to spread and teach

chinese medicine outwardly, and spread what he could of his way privately to the

right students and even hard headed imbeciles like me. Now he may be in the

canadian rockies, anonymously, as an ordinary person, and sorry, I

may be misdirecting people, because the teaching has its own way, or time and

method of transmission. Not a pay as you go type of thing. Too powerful and

unusual. It took me over a decade to reassemble. (this is just one stream, I'm

not saying all this is similar)

Without personal details that would only be more boring words, what I was

made/allowed to experience deconstructed ordinary accepted reality so

completely, that it changed my spirit in ways still to be revealed to me, but

because of clinging to the old useless view, I guess as a social

survival/defense instinct, it hasn't fully flowered in me. But I'm learning what

the present is. I can see and swim and fly a little, and use the flow in

healing (the points for diagnosis and qi emission mentioned are used, as are

spontaneous paths that look a lot like the extraordinary channels or overflow of

them and the 'ordinary' ones), and I have no fear, and am eternally grateful to

him. It'll knock you off your zen seat. There must be others, too. This

medicine is part of this way. I only wanted to add confirmation to what good

things were stated here. thanks much

 

Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote:

the event itself

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Matt,

 

My experiences and understandings are very similar to yours.

 

 

..that takes place in a specific place in space and at a specific

time. As space, time, and the internal dynamics of both the patient

and healer are in a constant state of change, the triad of patient,

healer and their interaction is always a unique event that could never

be exactly duplicated again.

 

Yes, I very much agree. The intermingling of energies is an often

overlooked element, but can be the key aspect concerning the ultimate

outcome. This would pertain to all modalities - not just qigong. The

interaction between practitioner/patient. What exactly does that mean

and how does it effect the " event " . Is there any predictability in

this at all? Possibly. I think that from qigong practice,

practitioners learns to " modulate " themselves so that they can more

easily interact and conform to their patient's needs. I think this is

applicable to all modalities where there is a practitioner/patient

interaction.

 

>

>

> My understanding of Taoist philosophy is that everything in life is

an example of similar triads - what my teacher calls a " Three in One " .

 

Yes, this is my understanding also. A " triad " ocurs time and time

again in many forms in different philosophies and religions.

 

> This is what the Tai Chi symbol is meant to symbolize - the triad of

>yin, yang and their interaction as one harmonious whole. > This is

also spelled out in the Tao De Ching when Lao Tzu states that " From

the Nothingness comes the one - From the One comes the Two - From the

Two comes the Three - From the Three comes the myriad (numberless)

things. "

 

I like to think that from yin and yang (the two aspects of the " wave "

- i.e. negative and positive) comes qi (the third - i.e. motion). Yin,

Yang, and qi, are different, but aspects of the same whole, at the

same time. Not too dissimilar from the way String Theory views the

stuff of the universe. What starts the whole thing rolling? I think it

is consciousness?

 

 

> <How does GV 20 and Yin Tang specifically help guide diagnosis and

> treatment?>

>

>

> These points are especially connected to shen qi that serves as a

bridge (that mysterious middle-ground again) between the individual's

conscious awareness (yin) and the awareness of the all-knowing

Universal Mind (yang). Actually all points and channels potentially

help in this regard, it is just that some are relatively more directly

>related to this function than others.

 

It appears, from my own practice, that the purpose of qigong and taiji

are to connect thise points and channels so that the Mind is aware of

the flow and also aware of where things are not flowing.

 

>Information from this connection arrives to one's conscious mind via

one's so-called " intuition. " It is similar to what can happen in the

martial arts when one has no time for reason-out the best move to make

to avoid injury and disable an attacker - one just knows and reacts

>instantly.

 

Yes, in taiji, there is an exercise called Push Hands which I use to

teach me to eliminate Will and Intent which allows me to instanteously

connect to my partner and move with the force in whichever direction

the force is moving in exact conformance to the strength of the force.

That is, I become an " extension " of the other person, so it is like a

joint in a finger trying to hit the nail. It cannot. It is an

interesting exercise.

 

> It is also similar to the instant manner one is supposed to respond

to a Buddhist " koan " or seemingly senseless question: " Can you hear

the sound of one hand clapping? " The ability to respond to a given

situation in the most appropriate manner comes to us intuitively via

>our shen qi and its connection with the shen qi of great Nature.

 

I think this is a very nice way of explaining the practice of Daoist

and Buddhist meditation practices. My own preference is qigong and

taiji.

>

>

> All the above, of course, is my personal understanding. Others may

have different ideas and experiences. I hope this was of use to you

and thanks for your questions. - Matt

 

 

Thanks for relating your experiences. They are very much in

comformance with my own.

 

Regards,

Rich

[Guest guest]

Thanks to both you and Rich for sharing your affirming experiences and your

insightful comments. - Matt

-

mystir

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:36 AM

Re: Master Ji

 

 

All the above, of course, is my personal understanding. Others may have

different ideas and experiences. I hope this was of use to you and thanks for

your questions. - Matt

 

Very nice Matt. The third being the present experience in wide full feeling

mind, the Unity. Where self and its limitation is suspended for feeling all

there is in this cave of the moon. Worded concepts can alude to, and clue you to

the affirmation only. My words are poor, but your feeling as I can understand

is right there, or, here..

 

 

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