Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Hi everyone, Yesterday, my qigong doctor/teacher gave a short talk on how he views the spine and I thought I might relate it to you. Apparently, it was his primary area of research in China. I thought I might relate this to you for your own comments and information. He believes that the source of human health problems is the " obstructions " in the vertebrae of the spine. He also believes that if we were still walking on all fours we would be all be much healthier. :-) He outlined the relationship of the vertebrae to the body: C1. eye, vision C2. nose, smell C3. ear, hearing C4. throat C5. shoulder, arm T1. esophagus T2. lungs T3. heart T4. chest, mammary glands T5. gallbladder T6. liver, pancreas (relates to diabetes) T7. spleen T8. stomach T9. small intestine T10. large instestine T11. waist (yao area) I hope others find this of interest. Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Hi Rich, Very intersting information here. Has the qigong doctor suggested any application for this information in terms of diagnosis and acupoint treatments? Ming Rich <rfinkelstein wrote: Hi everyone, Yesterday, my qigong doctor/teacher gave a short talk on how he views the spine and I thought I might relate it to you. Apparently, it was his primary area of research in China. I thought I might relate this to you for your own comments and information. He believes that the source of human health problems is the " obstructions " in the vertebrae of the spine. He also believes that if we were still walking on all fours we would be all be much healthier. :-) He outlined the relationship of the vertebrae to the body: C1. eye, vision C2. nose, smell C3. ear, hearing C4. throat C5. shoulder, arm T1. esophagus T2. lungs T3. heart T4. chest, mammary glands T5. gallbladder T6. liver, pancreas (relates to diabetes) T7. spleen T8. stomach T9. small intestine T10. large instestine T11. waist (yao area) I hope others find this of interest. Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Hi Rich > Yesterday, my qigong doctor/teacher gave a short talk on how he > views the spine and I thought I might relate it to you. > Apparently, it was his primary area of research in China. I thought > I might relate this to you for your own comments and information. > He believes that " obstructions " in the spinal vertebrae are the > source of human health problems Many body- and energy- workers (osteos, chiros, physios, Tuina, Guasha and others) would agree that spinal " blockages " , or abnormal pressure on spinal nerves, can trigger and maintain many problems in humans and animals. However, there are many other known causes that can act independently of spinal health. > He also believes that if we were still walking on all fours we > would be all be much healthier.:-) IMO, that is an irrelevant and inaccurate belief that ignores evidence from evolutionary experience. Is there a single example of a quadriped at the high end of the evolutionary tree, especially as regards conscious planning for the future, organised medical care, organised planting and harvesting of food, etc? > He outlined the relationship of the vertebrae to the body: C1. > eye, vision; C2. nose, smell; C3. ear, hearing; C4. throat; C5. > shoulder, arm. WHat happened to C6 and C7? > ...T1. esophagus; T2. lungs; T3. heart; T4. chest, mammary glands; > T5. gallbladder; T6. liver, pancreas (relates to diabetes); T7. > spleen; T8. stomach; T9. small intestine; T10. large instestine; > T11. waist (yao area) What happened to T12 to S4? > I hope others find this of interest. Regards, Rich Masses of oriental and western science cast doubts on the validity of such simple ideas. For example, research in physiology has proven beyond reasonable doubt that SEVERAL spinal nerves innervate (and receive feedback from) each thoracic and abdominal organ. Even the TCM concept of Back Shu Points (which can be very useful in clinical practice) got that wrong. HT receives innervation from many spinal segments of the neck and upper thoracic vertebrae, as well as the vagus (cardiac plexus) and sympathetic ganglia (middle and inferior cervical) . ST receives innervation from many spinal segments of the lower thorax and upper lumbar vertebrae, as well as the vagus and sympathetic plexuses I had chronic problems with cardiac angina and left thoracic/arm pain in the late 80's and early 90s. In late 1991 or early 1992, I also developed a chronic stomach ulcer and was on Tagamet suppressive therapy (acupuncture had failed in my case, though it was very successful in others) for almost 18 months before being correctly diagnosed. The therapist, the late Dominique Giniaux (RIP) from Paris, was a vet, brilliant osteopath and acupuncturist. WITHOUT knowing my history, he diagnosed my problems, and their causes, by palpation of my spine. He found a blockage at C7 and another at T12. He correctly suggested my symptoms, and corrected both blockages in one session that lasted less than a minute. Since then (more than 11 years ago), I have taken about 3 Tagamets and have much less HT/angina problems. In my case the problem vertebrae were C7 (HT) and T12 (ST), but they could have been several vertebrae up or down in other cases because several spinal segments are involved in organ innervation. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Hi Phil, Thank you for your comments and relating to me your experiences. > > In my case the problem vertebrae were C7 (HT) and T12 (ST), but they could > have been several vertebrae up or down in other cases because several spinal > segments are involved in organ innervation. He was relating his experiences and research, but he did say that he is simplifying for the purposes of this discussion. I believe his primary point was that the vertebrae should be open and unobstructed otherwise problems will materialize over time. Once re-opened, the vertebrae can act as a communication channel with the rest of the body and so that the body can repair itself. The outline he gave was a short synopsis of areas that may be impacted by problems in the vertebrae. I am quite certain there is much more to it. Thanks again for your comments, Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Hi Ming, It was a short lecture among a mixed group (in terms of experience). I believe the primary idea that he wanted to present was that verterbrae was required for good health and the body could not repair itself if there were any obstructions in the spine. This is probably why he feels that all health problems are the result of problems in the spine, since he believes that the body is self-maintaining if energy is freely flowing. This, I feel is an interesting idea because if accepted then one must inspect all modalities to ensure that the modality is capable of addressing all aspects of an obstructed spine such as curvature, fusion, splippate, etc. In this regard, I have observed that tuina and other manipulation techniques, combined with qigong, are effective. I believe that you mentioned in your post, that the qigong doctors that you are familar with are also verse in other modalities including tuina. Beyond this, he did mention that he has verified these findings to a very high degree during his many years of research in China. It was his specialty. I don't think he uses it for diagnostic purposes per se - more so for verification - since from his viewpoint what he needs to do is to work on the whole vertebrae and make sure it is flowing and flexible in all patients. This is a primary objective. Of course, he manipulates the whole body during every session, but he does spend more time on the vertebrae if he finds physical or energetic obstructions. In addition to " twists " and other hand manipulation techniques, he uses qigong to clear the " cold qi " from the channel. It would be interesting to hear from others on this forum concerning their views about the vetebrae, and how they go about ensuring free-flowing qi through the column if there are obstructions. DO you have any ideas. I hope this answers your question. Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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