Fatal dangers of alternative 'cancer cures' on the web

[Guest guest]

Isn't it about time that the public were allowed to access good information

and make their own decisions? Perhaps educating the public with regards

the dangers of believing claims made by Web sites without question, would

be a much better approach, rather than an outright ban. Besides which I have

seen a couple of miraculous recoveries, or alleviating of pain, associated

with people who have used a couple of the therapies mentioned here. Properly

educating people with regards the possible side affects and benefits of

successful WM treatments, alongside the dangers to look out for when seeking

alternative treatments, would be a far better approach. There is far too

much emphasis on disempowering patients in the decision making process.

 

However in saying this I must make it clear that I am a great believer in

working with the patient and their doctor when there is a diagnosis of, or

presentation, of signs, of possible serious illness . Nevertheless there

are a lot of questions I would like to ask the medical profession with

regards their own statistics.. Do they ever ask, and most importantly take

into account that the patients used as subjects of their surveys and

studies are using alternative medicines or therapies, at the same time as

the WM treatment they are researching.? I wonder how many so called

recorded cancer remissions associated with the use of pharmaceutical drugs

ever publicize what other therapies or alternative herbal medicines or

supplements the subjects were taking at the same time.In this respect there

is a lot to be desired with the rigorousness of such studies. I know of at

least one instance where this was not taken into account.. In studies on

less serious illness there is also the oft too common approach of neglecting

to check if the patients are sticking to the medication. It is not uncommon

that general surveys of recovery rates amongst patients will inadvertently

include many who secretly throw away their medication once they leave the

consulting room or surgery.

 

Finally you are only going to create a black market of alternative drugs and

medicine by policing the internet. It has not stopped paedophilia so how is

it going to stop desperate people looking for more comfortable alternatives

to unpleasant treatments. I say education, education ,

education............

 

Regards

 

Helene

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio!

 

It seems that cancer is a death sentence in most cases anyway. Oh, sure,

they consider a 5 year survival " cured " and then the patient dies a month

later. It seems that patients should have the freedom to choose whatever

treatment they believe in, since the patient is getting to the stage of

life where faith will serve him or her more than anything else.

 

Interesting to note that they took a swipe at acupuncture. Also remarkable

that they did *not* comment on the rife websites.

 

At 08:13 AM 8/3/04, you wrote:<snip>

 

>Britain's only professor of complementary medicine is urging

>government intervention on websites offering treatments that have no

>scientific evidence to back them up.

>

>THOUSANDS of cancer patients are risking their health

>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen

<petet@a...> wrote:

> Hi Attilio!

>

> It seems that cancer is a death sentence in most cases anyway. Oh,

sure,

> they consider a 5 year survival " cured " and then the patient dies a

month

> later. It seems that patients should have the freedom to choose

whatever

> treatment they believe in, since the patient is getting to the stage of

> life where faith will serve him or her more than anything else.

>

> Interesting to note that they took a swipe at acupuncture. Also

remarkable

> that they did *not* comment on the rife websites.

 

Cancer is a tricky subject, where different kinds of cancers have very

different rates of survival. WM rocks with some and not so good with

others... I agree that the patient has any choice they want, but for

many cancers WM reigns supreme. I would be cautious in promoting

otherwise without some substantial proof. Especially if you think the

alterative therapy is better than the WM approach. SLOW…

 

-

 

>

> At 08:13 AM 8/3/04, you wrote:<snip>

>

> >Britain's only professor of complementary medicine is urging

> >government intervention on websites offering treatments that have no

> >scientific evidence to back them up.

> >

> >THOUSANDS of cancer patients are risking their health

> >

>

> Regards,

>

> Pete

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/8/2004 10:46:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

Cancer is a tricky subject, where different kinds of cancers have very

different rates of survival. WM rocks with some and not so good with

others... I agree that the patient has any choice they want, but for

many cancers WM reigns supreme. I would be cautious in promoting

otherwise without some substantial proof. Especially if you think the

alterative therapy is better than the WM approach. SLOW…

 

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Do you really think so? In some situations I would agree. However, in

many cases, I do not. Look at what happens in our society.

 

We are bombarded with environmental toxins, pesticides, heavy metals,

stress, bad food, and other issues, that leads to poor circulation, an reduced

ability to process out metabolic waste, cellular stress and genetic problems,

which leads to cancer in many people.

 

Jason, please don't try to impose the idea that I am saying this is the

only way cancer happens. I am saying this is a common path to cancer.

 

During school I was fortunate to have an oncologist visit with us and

bring pictures that show the progression of a healthy cell into cancerous cells.

He went on to say he has seen cells, once the metabolic stress was removed,

revert back into a healthy looking cell.

 

Science has shown that the biggest difference between a " healthy " cell

and a cancerous cell is that the preprogrammed death gene has been turned off in

the cancerous cell. We also know this happens often times after cell groups

have been under metabolic stress for a while.

 

Science has also pointed us in the direction of compounds that reactivate

that same gene, which effectively takes care of a major part of the problem.

 

I worked in a health resort that people flew to from around the world to

" cure " themselves from many illnesses including cancers. This cure happened

countless times. Jason, I know this is not a scientific approach. However, I

watched this time and time again. The response from WM, misdiagnosis. Maybe

some times, but this happened so often, it was a joke. People given death

sentences by their doctors only months before were really just misdiagnosed.

Think what you like.

 

So what I am saying is that cancer is often the result of a series of

metabolic challenges that once relieved, goes away. Jason, this does not mean

all caners. But a lot of them.

 

I am not meaning to say that if a person is in imminent danger that a

person should disregard WM. That would be stupid. However, there are many

cancers that people do have some time to figure things our and in these cases

the

person has a lot of options that may make harsh, life threatening drugs

unnecessary.

 

**********More importantly, and this really is the most important thing,

people are often presented with the " Precancerous " diagnosis. This is the

most important time for a person to deal with the problem before it gets to be a

problem. What does the illustrious scientific WM community do for you? They

watch it. That's right. They watch it turn into cancer later on. Because

there is virtually no instruction on what to do to relieve the metabolic stress

and prevent the cancerous process.*************

 

I have a number of friends who have had cancer, gone through WM. and are

fine now. Jason, I know WM. works for many cancers.

 

However, given the opportunity to relieve toxins, stress and malnutrition

and reactivate the programed cell death gene, or take toxic chemicals that

weaken the body and stress the immune system to kill the cancer just before the

drug kills you,,,,,lets see,, which one makes more sense and will give a

longer more productive life after the cancer is gone,,,,,, Not a tough choice

for

me.

 

Realize, I am only talking about this alternative process when there is

time for a patient to try it. I would not suggest a person who needed surgery

or chemo to deal with an imminent situation forgo WM.

 

I realize that I am talking about therapies out side the Acupuncture and

chinese herbal models. I believe we can utilize the best of what science can

teach us and what the Chinese have taught us, and blend the wisdoms to achieve

remarkable healing oportunities for our patients.

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree that the patient has any choice they want, but for

many cancers WM reigns supreme.

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True but CM can help so much with WM TX, but so little attention is made

available. Is it too early for comfort, does it muddy the clinical picture,

economic territorialism, all of this? more? some people are just open to

things maybe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jason and all, just a couple of thoughts...

 

> many cancers WM reigns supreme. I would be cautious

> in promoting

> otherwise without some substantial proof.

 

I think you're right about " promoting " w/o

substantial proof.

A thought on 'reigns supreme' - this is very much a

value judgement based largely on what people have

chosen to perceive in this society. We don't hear

about how effective CM is in, let's say, asthma,

because people are simply _not listening_ or not

educated. Not for a lack of proof or clinical

efficacy, certainly. I've 'cured' (80% + improvement)

every case of asthma that has come through my door.

And I am continually surprised at how often people

say, 'I had no idea that acupuncture was good for

asthma!'.

My mom was cured by a molecular biologist who used

only herbs and diet and ESP-over-the-phone-healing to

cure it (late stage malignant metastasized liver

cancer). I've witnessed cancer patients here, locally,

treated SUCCESSFULLY by this guy who does this qigong

type acupuncture. I went to a conference re south

american traditional medicines (Mayan), and the

healers there recounted how to cure cancer. Again, if

we don't listen, we can't know. No proof here, you're

right, but thigns are NOT, by any means, as simple or

clear-cut as the western mainstream medical research

and clinical practice would have us believe. Anyone

heard of elemntal transmutation in the human body?

Silicon to Calcium for instance? Thigns are not as

simple or linear as we believe here, in 'the west'.

That's my current take on it anyway.

 

Anyhow, I felt compelled to write this post mainly

because of my single personal experience with an

'impossible' cancer cure - my Mom's.

 

Thanks for reading,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 8/10/2004 6:52:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ste

phenmacallan writes:

Apricot kernals is the only legal way, for alt. med. in the the uk, of

providing large quantities of vit B17. The B17 deficiency scenario as

a cause of cancer has a very large, albeit dated, body of WM

scientific support. I think that the the B17 scenario is the ONLY

scenario that I have read that offers a complete physiological

explanation. (Philip Day author 'Cancer - why we're all dying to know

the truth')

 

I believe as we learn more about the B family of vitamins many will be

quite surprised how important they are in keeping our bodies healthy. There has

been a lot of talk about B-15 also. It would be great if a supplement

company would include these in a complete B tablet.

 

 

 

 

Shark cartilage - sharks don't get cancer (apparantly) hence their use

in the treatment thereof - I have not heard of any solid evidence, but

I have come across anecdotal evidence.

 

Actually, the concept behind using shark cartilage has made it into WM

cancer treatments. Shark cartilage inhibits angiogenesis therefor slows the

growth of new blood vessels into a tumor. Read on.

Angiogenesis (angio'gen'esis) - the growth of new blood vessels - is an

important natural process occurring in the body, both in health and in disease.

The Body's Control of Angiogenesis

Angiogenesis occurs in the healthy body for healing wounds and for restoring

blood flow to tissues after injury or insult. In females, angiogenesis also

occurs during the monthly reproductive cycle (to rebuild the uterus lining, to

mature the egg during ovulation) and during pregnancy (to build the placenta,

the circulation between mother and fetus).

The healthy body controls angiogenesis through a series of " on " and " off "

switches:

The main " on " switches are known as angiogenesis-stimulating growth factors

The main " off switches " are known as angiogenesis inhibitors

When angiogenic growth factors are produced in excess of angiogenesis

inhibitors, the balance is tipped in favor of blood vessel growth. When

inhibitors

are present in excess of stimulators, angiogenesis is stopped. The normal,

healthy body maintains a perfect balance of angiogenesis modulators. In general,

angiogenesis is " turned off " by the production of more inhibitors than

stimulators.

Excessive angiogenesis:

 

Occurs in diseases such as cancer, diabetic blindness, age-related macular

degeneration, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, and more than 70 other

conditions.

In these conditions, new blood vessels feed diseased tissues, destroy normal

tissues, and in the case of cancer, the new vessels allow tumor cells to

escape into the circulation and lodge in other organs (tumor metastases).

Excessive angiogenesis occurs when diseased cells produce abnormal amounts of

angiogenic growth factors, overwhelming the effects of natural angiogenesis

inhibitors.

 

 

 

Coffee enemas are part of the Gerson Therapy for treating cancer. The

Gerson Institute has some impressive statistics.

 

One of the things the coffee does is stimulate bile flow which helps to

detox an overly toxin burdened liver.

 

 

 

 

Mistletoe is part of anthrosophical medicine's treatment for cancer -

most anthro/med ppl are doctors! Mistletoe is in WM's arsenal for

treating cancer. I believe anthro/med can provide encouraging figures.

 

None of WM's treatments and approaches promoted worldwide have been

shown to definitively to cure or prevent the disease. Indeed there is

evidence that the opposite is true.

 

We, in CM, alt.med., should be aware that WM is nowhere near as good

as it thinks it is, tho its not all bad.

 

Conversely alt.med (including CM) and naturopathy and western

herbalists and homoeopathy and osteopathy and flower remedies and

Orgone therapy and...and.... is better than many ppl on this list

appear to believe.

 

There, thats my comment

 

Those are my comments,

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hello all,

attilio posted this

 

" > > In a study of 32 of the most popular alternative and

complementary

> therapy websites, which attract tens of thousands of visitors every

> day, researchers found dozens of remedies promoted as curing or

> preventing cancer, including shark cartilage, coffee enemas,

misletoe

> and apricot extracts.

>

> None of the treatments and approaches promoted online had been shown

 

> definitively to cure or prevent the disease, Professor Ernst said. "

 

 

Apricot kernals is the only legal way, for alt. med. in the the uk, of

providing large quantities of vit B17. The B17 deficiency scenario as

a cause of cancer has a very large, albeit dated, body of WM

scientific support. I think that the the B17 scenario is the ONLY

scenario that I have read that offers a complete physiological

explanation. (Philip Day author 'Cancer - why we're all dying to know

the truth')

 

Shark cartilage - sharks don't get cancer (apparantly) hence their use

in the treatment thereof - I have not heard of any solid evidence, but

I have come across anecdotal evidence.

 

Coffee enemas are part of the Gerson Therapy for treating cancer. The

Gerson Institute has some impressive statistics.

 

Mistletoe is part of anthrosophical medicine's treatment for cancer -

most anthro/med ppl are doctors! Mistletoe is in WM's arsenal for

treating cancer. I believe anthro/med can provide encouraging figures.

 

None of WM's treatments and approaches promoted worldwide have been

shown to definitively to cure or prevent the disease. Indeed there is

evidence that the opposite is true.

 

We, in CM, alt.med., should be aware that WM is nowhere near as good

as it thinks it is, tho its not all bad.

 

Conversely alt.med (including CM) and naturopathy and western

herbalists and homoeopathy and osteopathy and flower remedies and

Orgone therapy and...and.... is better than many ppl on this list

appear to believe.

 

There, thats my comment

 

--

Stephen MacAllan

Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H.,

Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H.

M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H.

Acupuncturist, Herbalist,

Kosmed practitioner

Vega-tester

www.stephenmacallan.co.uk

www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk

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Hi Chris & All,

 

Chris wrote:

> ... Shark cartilage - sharks don't get cancer (apparantly) hence

> their use in the treatment thereof - I have not heard of any solid

> evidence, but I have come across anecdotal evidence.

 

Sorry to disagree, but according to Google, sharks not only get cancer, but

also cancer of the cartilage! See: http://tinyurl.com/4o2gq

 

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Hi, all, also those with high bp cannot take it as it raise bp significantly

(according to an alternative-thinking MD friend of mine. Cheerfully, Pam

>

> Chris wrote:

> > ... Shark cartilage - sharks don't get cancer (apparantly) hence

> > their use in the treatment thereof - I have not heard of any solid

> > evidence, but I have come across anecdotal evidence.

>

> Sorry to disagree, but according to Google, sharks not only get cancer,

but

> also cancer of the cartilage! See: http://tinyurl.com/4o2gq

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/10/2004 11:42:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

Hi Chris & All,

 

Chris wrote:

> ... Shark cartilage - sharks don't get cancer (apparantly) hence

> their use in the treatment thereof - I have not heard of any solid

> evidence, but I have come across anecdotal evidence.

 

Sorry to disagree, but according to Google, sharks not only get cancer, but

also cancer of the cartilage! See: http://tinyurl.com/4o2gq

 

Best regards,

 

Email:

 

 

Actually, I didn't write that. The quote you shared was from a person I

was responding to.

 

What was being discussed was that shark cartilage is a potent

anti-angiogenesis compound so it would be harder for a tumor to gain adequate

blood

supply.

 

Currently there are drugs used to fight cancer based on this very concept.

 

I don't know who wrote the quote you attribute to me.

 

Best Regards,

 

Chris