Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 My soy milk bubble has bursteth. The site:(http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm<http://www.healing\ daily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm>), discusses phytic acid nutrient leaching, enzyme inhibitors, and soymilk contamination by commercial acid washing. The homogenization of cow's milk may attribute to arteriosclerosis. See: (http://proliberty.com/observer/20000208.htm<http://proliberty.com/observer/2000\ 0208.htm>) , (plus the turn-off of antibiotics and BGH). A Google search produces other sites suggesting negatives to drinking soy and homogenized milk-although how biased they may be. Since organic milk is homogenized and soy/rice milk lacks the nutrient content,(especially calcium), as compared to cow's milk, I'm just guessing the safest form of milk would be of the organic, non fat type. At least there's no fat in it to homogenize and clog arteries. Would anyone know of a safer form or brand of milk? Mike Eidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Hi Mike, I used goat milk with my infant daughter after her nursing phase. My health plan was ready for me with a printout of how deleterious it was not to use cows milk or formula. Sad. Andy > " Michael Eidson " <mdeidson >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > > Soy Milk >Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:08:05 -0500 > > My soy milk bubble has bursteth. The >site:(http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm<http://www.healin\ gdaily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm>), >discusses phytic acid nutrient leaching, enzyme inhibitors, and soymilk >contamination by commercial acid washing. > The homogenization of cow's milk may attribute to arteriosclerosis. See: >(http://proliberty.com/observer/20000208.htm<http://proliberty.com/observer/200\ 00208.htm>) >, (plus the turn-off of antibiotics and BGH). A Google search produces >other sites suggesting negatives to drinking soy and homogenized >milk-although how biased they may be. > Since organic milk is homogenized and soy/rice milk lacks the nutrient >content,(especially calcium), as compared to cow's milk, I'm just guessing >the safest form of milk would be of the organic, non fat type. At least >there's no fat in it to homogenize and clog arteries. Would anyone know of >a safer form or brand of milk? > > Mike Eidson > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Mike- Thank you; you saved me about 2-3 hours looking up these websites. Remember, soy is a ploy!!! The profits from this non-nutrituous swill goes to huge companies like Cargill, ADM, and others!!!! As for " long shelf life " - long shelf life= short human life. Everyone should be on a first name basis with the person growing their food!!! Take it from me- someone who wolfed down every bag of cookies, potato chips,etc; within a mile of them!!!! John Garbarini --- Michael Eidson <mdeidson wrote: > My soy milk bubble has bursteth. The > site:(http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm<http://www.healing\ daily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm>), > discusses phytic acid nutrient leaching, enzyme > inhibitors, and soymilk contamination by commercial > acid washing. > The homogenization of cow's milk may attribute to > arteriosclerosis. See: > (http://proliberty.com/observer/20000208.htm<http://proliberty.com/observer/2000\ 0208.htm>) > , (plus the turn-off of antibiotics and BGH). A > Google search produces other sites suggesting > negatives to drinking soy and homogenized > milk-although how biased they may be. > Since organic milk is homogenized and soy/rice > milk lacks the nutrient content,(especially > calcium), as compared to cow's milk, I'm just > guessing the safest form of milk would be of the > organic, non fat type. At least there's no fat in it > to homogenize and clog arteries. Would anyone know > of a safer form or brand of milk? > > Mike Eidson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Hi John! So if I grow my own soy and eat it it is better? I kind of like soy sometimes . . . Regards, Pete At 09:56 AM 8/2/04 -0700, you wrote: >Mike- > Thank you; you saved me about 2-3 hours looking up >these websites. > Remember, soy is a ploy!!! The profits from this >non-nutrituous swill goes to huge companies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Hi Michael A dear friend of mine just happens to be into the raw milk thing. There's a lot of information on the web if you search " Sally Fallon raw milk " or " Weston Price Foundation " . The main site is http://realmilk.com/what.html and says that any processing or unnatural feed totally denatures milk--including removing the fat. These folks believe that raw whole organic milk is the way to go and that it is actually a very heathy food. I tend to agree since Europeans and Americans have been drinking it for quite a while and processing and unnatural methods of raising/extracting milk only started relatively recently. I didn't look to far into the sites but the information looked very interesting and it's the only form of milk that I would approve of for my patients. If you like milk, I say get a cow and go at it! Soy makes me nervous after reading the posts here. Shanna Chinese Medicine , " Michael Eidson " <mdeidson@m...> wrote: > My soy milk bubble has bursteth. The site: (http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification- diet/soy.htm<http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification- diet/soy.htm>), discusses phytic acid nutrient leaching, enzyme inhibitors, and soymilk contamination by commercial acid washing. > The homogenization of cow's milk may attribute to arteriosclerosis. See: (http://proliberty.com/observer/20000208.htm<http://proliberty.com/ob server/20000208.htm>) , (plus the turn-off of antibiotics and BGH). A Google search produces other sites suggesting negatives to drinking soy and homogenized milk-although how biased they may be. > Since organic milk is homogenized and soy/rice milk lacks the nutrient content,(especially calcium), as compared to cow's milk, I'm just guessing the safest form of milk would be of the organic, non fat type. At least there's no fat in it to homogenize and clog arteries. Would anyone know of a safer form or brand of milk? > > Mike Eidson > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 For what its worth, I don't believe that soya milk or dairy milk are meant for human cunsumption. Although mankind may have been drinking milk for millenia, this is only the blink of an eye, when you consider the evolution of humanity. Regards Dermot - " shannahickle " <shannahickle <Chinese Medicine > Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:28 PM Re: Soy Milk > Hi Michael > > A dear friend of mine just happens to be into the raw milk thing. > There's a lot of information on the web if you search " Sally Fallon > raw milk " or " Weston Price Foundation " . The main site is > http://realmilk.com/what.html and says that any processing or > unnatural feed totally denatures milk--including removing the fat. > These folks believe that raw whole organic milk is the way to go and > that it is actually a very heathy food. I tend to agree since > Europeans and Americans have been drinking it for quite a while and > processing and unnatural methods of raising/extracting milk only > started relatively recently. I didn't look to far into the sites but > the information looked very interesting and it's the only form of > milk that I would approve of for my patients. If you like milk, I > say get a cow and go at it! Soy makes me nervous after reading the > posts here. > > Shanna > > Chinese Medicine , " Michael > Eidson " <mdeidson@m...> wrote: > > My soy milk bubble has bursteth. The site: > (http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification- > diet/soy.htm<http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification- > diet/soy.htm>), discusses phytic acid nutrient leaching, enzyme > inhibitors, and soymilk contamination by commercial acid washing. > > The homogenization of cow's milk may attribute to > arteriosclerosis. See: > (http://proliberty.com/observer/20000208.htm<http://proliberty.com/ob > server/20000208.htm>) , (plus the turn-off of antibiotics and BGH). > A Google search produces other sites suggesting negatives to > drinking soy and homogenized milk-although how biased they may be. > > Since organic milk is homogenized and soy/rice milk lacks the > nutrient content,(especially calcium), as compared to cow's milk, > I'm just guessing the safest form of milk would be of the organic, > non fat type. At least there's no fat in it to homogenize and clog > arteries. Would anyone know of a safer form or brand of milk? > > > > Mike Eidson > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Hi Dermot! My mother used to say " virtue follows a middle course " . I think a little soy and a little meat and a little dairy is good for people. The trouble comes when people get into any one thing too much, as many people do. At 02:52 PM 8/5/04, you wrote: >For what its worth, I don't believe that soya milk or dairy milk are meant >for human cunsumption. Although mankind may have been drinking milk for >millenia, this is only the blink of an eye, when you consider the evolution >of humanity. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 That's a reasonable opinion Pete....but I have to say that I believe some foods are just plain bad for people. I take too many soft drinks.......I don't think a little Coca Cola truthfully does me or anyone any good at all. - " Pete Theisen " <petet <Chinese Medicine > Monday, August 09, 2004 6:26 AM Re: Re: Soy Milk > Hi Dermot! > > My mother used to say " virtue follows a middle course " . I think a little > soy and a little meat and a little dairy is good for people. The trouble > comes when people get into any one thing too much, as many people do. > > At 02:52 PM 8/5/04, you wrote: > >For what its worth, I don't believe that soya milk or dairy milk are meant > >for human cunsumption. Although mankind may have been drinking milk for > >millenia, this is only the blink of an eye, when you consider the evolution > >of humanity. > > Regards, > > Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Long ago, when at my post grad work, in an Eastern city on the Indian Subcontinent, my wife and I were allowed to live in the men's hostel on the campus, in a small room which fronted a garden where a million white roses bloomed. One of the delights was fresh milk delivered right at the door of our room, and part of this went to tea, and the rest, a glass or so, to stand out on the windowsill during the night. In the morning half had turned to cream which floated to the top. We call in 'malahi'. A short run to the corner bakery secured fresh crispy bread just out of the oven, and the two together with hot Indian tea, made up our breakfast, which we had sitting on the coir matted bed. All of that cost maybe half a rupee, about 3 cents. Today for any price, half the world away, we cannot get anything which looks or tastes like milk. Life lived takes away the small treasures, leaving us fake, plastic pleasures. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 How true! Agribusiness has taken away not only the simple pleasures of real food from most people on Earth, people have even forgotten what it tastes like! One of the most radical movements for change anyone could do is to initiate a movement to natural, organic gardening and farming at a local scale, around the earth. Both ecology and human health would improve immensely. This was one of the great goals of the macrobiotic movement of the 60's and 70's, which survives in a small scale even today. On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 AM, homi kaikobad wrote: > Long ago, when at my post grad work, in an Eastern city on the Indian > Subcontinent, > my wife and I were allowed to live in the men's hostel on the campus, > in a > small room > which fronted a garden where a million white roses bloomed. > > One of the delights was fresh milk delivered right at the door of our > room, > and > part of this went to tea, and the rest, a glass or so, to stand out on > the > windowsill > during the night. > > In the morning half had turned to cream which floated to the top. We > call in > 'malahi'. > A short run to the corner bakery secured fresh crispy bread just out > of the > oven, > and the two together with hot Indian tea, made up our breakfast, which > we > had > sitting on the coir matted bed. > > All of that cost maybe half a rupee, about 3 cents. > > Today for any price, half the world away, we cannot get anything which > looks > or > tastes like milk. > > Life lived takes away the small treasures, leaving us fake, plastic > pleasures. > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hi Dermot! Ha Ha! But sometimes it tastes good! My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it tonifys qi. <g> At 07:17 AM 8/9/04, you wrote: >That's a reasonable opinion Pete....but I have to say that I believe some >foods are just plain bad for people. I take too many soft drinks.......I >don't think a little Coca Cola truthfully does me or anyone any good at all. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Ya know, when my parents were young and growing up in Depression-era NJ, they said that soda was something that people had on birthday parties or on holidays. The notion of drinking it everyday is a recent idea, foisted upon us by never-ending ads from huge multinational companies. Drink tea, water, and raw milk. Stay away from carbonated drinks. --- Pete Theisen <petet wrote: > Hi Dermot! > > Ha Ha! But sometimes it tastes good! > > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but > I think it tonifys qi. <g> > > At 07:17 AM 8/9/04, you wrote: > >That's a reasonable opinion Pete....but I have to > say that I believe some > >foods are just plain bad for people. I take too > many soft drinks.......I > >don't think a little Coca Cola truthfully does me > or anyone any good at all. > > Regards, > > Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I think your teacher was kidding On Aug 10, 2004, at 12:10 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Dermot! > > Ha Ha! But sometimes it tastes good! > > My teacher used to say CocaCola tonifys spleen, but I think it tonifys > qi. <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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