TCM and Qigong (was Necessity of Chinese language)

[Guest guest]

Hi Benjamin,

 

If I might add to your comments which I very much agree with:

 

>

> JASON SAID: {If one wants to just be some energy qi gong healer, fine

> this path might work, but again this is not TCM. I am only

> emphasizing this, because we are dealing with a subject TCM

> specifically on this list. }

>

> Is this a " TCM " list? Or is this a traditional Chinese medicine

list? Are we

> discussing the tradition of Chinese medicine, or the national

medicine of

> the PRC? If this is a " TCM " list exclusively, then your criticism is

valid

> within that narrow framework.

 

As I noted in a post to Jason, qigong (chi kung) is very much part of

the national medicine of the PRC and is taught in universities in

China and is considered a seperate branch within hospitals that sits

alongside herbology, acupuncture, and tuina. There is no conflict, as

far as I can see, in discussing qigong within any definition of TCM.

 

From my experiences, any type of qigong, which of course would include

medical qigong, is nearly impossible to trasnfer on as " text " . This

may account for part of the reason that it is not considered an

" exportable " product by the PRC - though interestingly taiji is

considered an exportable product (maybe because of the photos which

make it a " physical practice " as opposed to an internal practice).

There is also the problem that the PRC suppresses various forms of

qigong practice for political reasons. Finally, there is the cultural

issue. Most Westerners are not " open " to the possibilities of this

practice. Hence, its lack of propogation and penetration into Western

cultures. But for me and my friends, it and tuina, is what we rely on

for our medical treatments.

 

Regards,

Rich

[Guest guest]

I have been taught in TCVM that one of the five parts of TCM is most

certainly the practice of Chi Gong,Tai Chi the others for review are:

Acupuncture,Herbal,Food Therapy,Tui-Na and not necessarily in that order.I

study at Chi Institute in Reddick, Florida under Dr. Xie whom is Chinese,his

father and grandfather were practicing acupuncturists,in China.His teachings

promote the practice of Chi Gong and Tai Chi so that the healer can seek

balance in his own self and therefore a more positive healer for his

patients.I am a cat practitioner and have very successfully used breathing

exercizes taught to me in Chi Gong classes when I am down in Florida at Chi,

in the presence of feline patients that were stressed and or severly

agitated. The simplicity of preforming those centering exercizes has been

able to calm and sedate even stressed and agitated patients.Of course this

is a part of TCM! one of the five parts.I now encourage the caretakers of my

patients,because we do not have ruff yoga for cat classes, to engage fully

the practice of these centering and balancing exercizes so that the

doublefold effect is both patient and caretaker benefit.Isn't balancing and

centering what TCM is all about?Sincerely,P.Jordan,DVM,CVA

 

 

> " Rich " <rfinkelstein

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

> TCM and Qigong (was Necessity of Chinese language)

>Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:14:53 -0000

>

>Hi Benjamin,

>

>If I might add to your comments which I very much agree with:

>

> >

> > JASON SAID: {If one wants to just be some energy qi gong healer, fine

> > this path might work, but again this is not TCM. I am only

> > emphasizing this, because we are dealing with a subject TCM

> > specifically on this list. }

> >

> > Is this a " TCM " list? Or is this a traditional Chinese medicine

>list? Are we

> > discussing the tradition of Chinese medicine, or the national

>medicine of

> > the PRC? If this is a " TCM " list exclusively, then your criticism is

>valid

> > within that narrow framework.

>

>As I noted in a post to Jason, qigong (chi kung) is very much part of

>the national medicine of the PRC and is taught in universities in

>China and is considered a seperate branch within hospitals that sits

>alongside herbology, acupuncture, and tuina. There is no conflict, as

>far as I can see, in discussing qigong within any definition of TCM.

>

>From my experiences, any type of qigong, which of course would include

>medical qigong, is nearly impossible to trasnfer on as " text " . This

>may account for part of the reason that it is not considered an

> " exportable " product by the PRC - though interestingly taiji is

>considered an exportable product (maybe because of the photos which

>make it a " physical practice " as opposed to an internal practice).

>There is also the problem that the PRC suppresses various forms of

>qigong practice for political reasons. Finally, there is the cultural

>issue. Most Westerners are not " open " to the possibilities of this

>practice. Hence, its lack of propogation and penetration into Western

>cultures. But for me and my friends, it and tuina, is what we rely on

>for our medical treatments.

>

>Regards,

>Rich

>

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Patricia,

 

I completely agree, but I don't think I or anyone said that qigong is

NOT part of TCM... I am questioning the idea of external projection qi

healing type of medicine... Where does this fit it... I have never

seen that this part of TCM, but am open to some evidence. I of course

believe that mediation, qigong, yoga etc etc has tremendous health

benefits. but that is not the point…

I find it funny though, (not from your post but others) that people

take so much offense when someone (myself) even questions such a

topic. Hence, Calling my tone faltering, then personally attacking me

through psycho-babble. I have not called out anyone and yet people

are up in arms because of a few words. I do call some ideas BULL and

some of mine are also, get over it. I once again say that one should

look at why one is so mad. And instead of analyzing me look at

yourself. All this is funny because when people start slamming

western medicine everyone cheers, hooray for the good guys… " Western

medicine SUX! They are out to kill people " .. This is lame… Looking at

oneself / medicine is obviously more painful and takes maturity. It

is no mystery that alternative medicine has a huge new age component.

This, for better or worse, should be looked at. For the record, I am

firm believer in CM, I meditate and practice qigong regularly.

 

Shanna, I am pretty confident that I am not causing anyone any pain.

One only causes oneself pain, ask yourself why you feel so hurt if

someone calls your idea BULL, but don't blame me…I could easily throw

out some psycho babble why you are hurt so easy, but hey, no need I am

beyond that…

 

Regards,

 

-

 

Chinese Medicine , " Patricia Jordan "

<coastalcatclinic@h...> wrote:

> I have been taught in TCVM that one of the five parts of TCM is most

> certainly the practice of Chi Gong,Tai Chi the others for review are:

> Acupuncture,Herbal,Food Therapy,Tui-Na and not necessarily in that

order.I

> study at Chi Institute in Reddick, Florida under Dr. Xie whom is

Chinese,his

> father and grandfather were practicing acupuncturists,in China.His

teachings

> promote the practice of Chi Gong and Tai Chi so that the healer can

seek

> balance in his own self and therefore a more positive healer for his

> patients.I am a cat practitioner and have very successfully used

breathing

> exercizes taught to me in Chi Gong classes when I am down in Florida

at Chi,

> in the presence of feline patients that were stressed and or severly

> agitated. The simplicity of preforming those centering exercizes has

been

> able to calm and sedate even stressed and agitated patients.Of

course this

> is a part of TCM! one of the five parts.I now encourage the

caretakers of my

> patients,because we do not have ruff yoga for cat classes, to engage

fully

> the practice of these centering and balancing exercizes so that the

> doublefold effect is both patient and caretaker benefit.Isn't

balancing and

> centering what TCM is all about?Sincerely,P.Jordan,DVM,CVA

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