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Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:14:37, Spiritpathpress wrote:

 

>> I only take issue with the notion that the most relevant truth is to be

found in

the past or needs to be referenced to the past. Freedom has no history.

 

There's clearly no absolute necessity that mastery come through historical

or literary study. Some are gifted or incarnated with vision and healing

powers. For most, however, the path entails cultivation, and tradition can

be seen as accumulated hints and shortcuts that nurture cultivation.

 

And there's a notion of freedom called " positive " freedom, as distinct from

" negative " freedom; or the " freedom of having a capability " vs. the

" freedom from some restraint " . The example used when I was first exposed

to this, many years ago, was the freedom to be able to read classical Greek

(e.g. poetry or philosophy). The parallel with classical Chinese medical

writing readily jumps out.

 

Also, the kind of freedom realized through a meditative practice when one

becomes able to reliably " relate " to perception/experience rather than only

" react " , for most people is a function of long, arduous cultivation. But,

again, not necessarily so.

 

Back when I studied music history, and followed history into the present

(in co-study and camaraderie with composition students), there was tension

between those who undertook the classical path of intense training and

first mastery and imitation of prior compositional techniques before

attempting to freely express themselves, and those who just wanted to be

immediately free and " creative " .

 

Again, there are people like Mozart, who had to study just enough to learn

where the keys were and how to write notes, and whose late masterworks

seemed to just roll off his pen. But most were more like Beethoven, who

studied for years with Haydn, and labored endlessly through sketch books

and multiple versions and refinements to arrive at the late quartets. Some

of the earliest masterworks of Schoenberg, Berg and Webern were orchestral

arrangements of organ works by J.S. Bach, nuanced with orchestral

sophistication and mastery on a par with Richard Strauss and Debussy.

 

With the freedom of mastery, one can experience history as a component of

the present (as in Carl Boehm's " Implicate Order " ).

 

 

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Shanna

 

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<@w...> wrote:

> Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:14:37, Spiritpathpress@a... wrote:

>

> >> I only take issue with the notion that the most relevant truth

is to be

> found in

> the past or needs to be referenced to the past. Freedom has no

history.

>

> There's clearly no absolute necessity that mastery come through

historical

> or literary study. Some are gifted or incarnated with vision and

healing

> powers. For most, however, the path entails cultivation, and

tradition can

> be seen as accumulated hints and shortcuts that nurture

cultivation.

>

> And there's a notion of freedom called " positive " freedom, as

distinct from

> " negative " freedom; or the " freedom of having a capability " vs. the

> " freedom from some restraint " . The example used when I was first

exposed

> to this, many years ago, was the freedom to be able to read

classical Greek

> (e.g. poetry or philosophy). The parallel with classical Chinese

medical

> writing readily jumps out.

>

> Also, the kind of freedom realized through a meditative practice

when one

> becomes able to reliably " relate " to perception/experience rather

than only

> " react " , for most people is a function of long, arduous

cultivation. But,

> again, not necessarily so.

>

> Back when I studied music history, and followed history into the

present

> (in co-study and camaraderie with composition students), there was

tension

> between those who undertook the classical path of intense training

and

> first mastery and imitation of prior compositional techniques

before

> attempting to freely express themselves, and those who just wanted

to be

> immediately free and " creative " .

>

> Again, there are people like Mozart, who had to study just enough

to learn

> where the keys were and how to write notes, and whose late

masterworks

> seemed to just roll off his pen. But most were more like

Beethoven, who

> studied for years with Haydn, and labored endlessly through sketch

books

> and multiple versions and refinements to arrive at the late

quartets. Some

> of the earliest masterworks of Schoenberg, Berg and Webern were

orchestral

> arrangements of organ works by J.S. Bach, nuanced with orchestral

> sophistication and mastery on a par with Richard Strauss and

Debussy.

>

> With the freedom of mastery, one can experience history as a

component of

> the present (as in Carl Boehm's " Implicate Order " ).

>

>

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