Alcoholism/Orange stools/Psychosis...

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

A problem with liver/gallbladder/bile....that seems to be the

consensus from everything that I've read here and elsewhere. That's

not at all surprising considering his alcoholism and family history

(eg: gallbladder disease). So now the question becomes: what

formula(s) to base my treatment on? I was recently reading that

Xiao Chai Hu Tang can be useful in diseases from alcoholism.

Figuring out where to start is the key...and then I can modify to fit

him specifically.

 

I am a new practitioner, so its been hard to afford all the books I

need just yet, so I have only now ordered Bob Flaw's psychiatry

book. I suspect that will enlighten me further, but from what I

understand psychosis with voices is almost always going to involve

phlegm fire. Do you all think that is an accurate assumption? His

pulses are very weak though, so draining is tricky.

 

Here is the point prescription that has been most successful with him:

K3, Ren 3, Ren 12, Liver 2. I've tried more complex approaches, and

he gets nudged too far one direction or the other very easily. He

does not even respond well to simple treatments like 5 needle

protocol for the ear. He also seems to have done well with SJ 5/GB

41 in the treatment at times. But that thick yellow coating in the

back doesn't budge.

 

By the way, one bizarre thing about this case: About the time he

relapsed after 11 years sobriety he had started seeing one of my

mentors for herbs. She gave him herbs to clear dampheat, and he

found that he could drink more without the hangover on them....so it

actually enabled him to drink more!! Shortly after he developed

psychosis....So that's something to look out for when treating

alcoholics.

 

Thanks for your thoughts,

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Hi Laura:

>

> In Vet Physiology class 1960, we learned:

>

> " The bile of the liver saponifies fat;

> it helps to absorb and emulsify that.

> It saves putrefaction and purges a bit,

> and stercobilinogen colours the s**t " .

>

> Though there could be many other causes, yellow stool can arise

> in LV or GB disease, with exhaustion of bile production, or biliary

> obstruction.

>

> Chronic alcoholism / LV cirrhosis, and use of heavy medication

> (which requires LV metabolism / detox), may have a key role to

> play here.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Laura

 

Have you considered Zhu Ling Tang? It's in the chapter on Formulas

that Promote Urination and Leach Out Dampness in Bensky. It promotes

urination, clears heat and nourishes yin. The indications

are: " Urinary difficulty accompanied by fever and thirst with a

desire to drink. There may also be diarrhea, cough, nausea,

irritability or insomnia. " The ingredients are:

 

Zhu ling 3g

fu ling 3g

ze xie 3g

hua shi 3g

e jiao 3g

 

You might use fu shen instead as the spirit calming effect is

greater. Possibly you could combine this formula with another such

as Sheng Tie Luo Yin (long gu instead of sheng tie luo) or portions

thereof to get a good balance. Maybe add Long gu to the above

formula.

Good luck and keep us up on how this is going.

 

Regards, Shanna

Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag "

<heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> A problem with liver/gallbladder/bile....that seems to be the

> consensus from everything that I've read here and elsewhere.

That's

> not at all surprising considering his alcoholism and family

history

> (eg: gallbladder disease). So now the question becomes: what

> formula(s) to base my treatment on? I was recently reading that

> Xiao Chai Hu Tang can be useful in diseases from alcoholism.

> Figuring out where to start is the key...and then I can modify to

fit

> him specifically.

>

> I am a new practitioner, so its been hard to afford all the books

I

> need just yet, so I have only now ordered Bob Flaw's psychiatry

> book. I suspect that will enlighten me further, but from what I

> understand psychosis with voices is almost always going to involve

> phlegm fire. Do you all think that is an accurate assumption?

His

> pulses are very weak though, so draining is tricky.

>

> Here is the point prescription that has been most successful with

him:

> K3, Ren 3, Ren 12, Liver 2. I've tried more complex approaches,

and

> he gets nudged too far one direction or the other very easily. He

> does not even respond well to simple treatments like 5 needle

> protocol for the ear. He also seems to have done well with SJ

5/GB

> 41 in the treatment at times. But that thick yellow coating in

the

> back doesn't budge.

>

> By the way, one bizarre thing about this case: About the time he

> relapsed after 11 years sobriety he had started seeing one of my

> mentors for herbs. She gave him herbs to clear dampheat, and he

> found that he could drink more without the hangover on them....so

it

> actually enabled him to drink more!! Shortly after he developed

> psychosis....So that's something to look out for when treating

> alcoholics.

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

>

> Laura