Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 On Jul 2, 2004, at 7:00 PM, Gye Bennetts 5 Element Acupuncture wrote: > The core of 5 element which is tonifying points of the patients > constitutional weak element only, is a Han dynasty concept. J.R. > Worsley added things from other systems as he travelled learning from > different teachers. 5 Elements aim is to treat the person not the > symptom, to help the person grow and change, to let them evolve and be > more of who they can be. This is not to say that TCM or Meridian > Therapy does not have this as part of its aims or 5 Element people do > not use TCM bits. But.. I would hate to think of someone trying a > Possession Rx. with out the whole concept of 5 element behind them. Can you tell me what Han Dynasty sources that Dr. Worsley used? Also, Dr. Worsley also incorporated concepts from homeopathy, such as Hering's Law of Cure. While these concepts are interesting and exciting, they are hardly 'traditional Chinese acupuncture'. > > As others have said is a vast and more often than not > oral tradition. It has many roots and routes of learning, not always > Chinese. With out letting ourselves be naive, over intellectualising > may rob us of its magic and its truly deep spirit. Mao had a good go > at that in the early 60s. The accurate translation is usually the one > the person s to from their own well earned scholarship. Look > at how many different Yellow Emperors you can buy today at any CM > bookshop. Interesting point. At a Paul Unschuld seminar in San Diego last year, we gathered eight different translations of the 'Yellow Emperor' and found serious flaws in all of them, when comparing with the original Chinese. I think we need to ask ourselves in this profession how accurate a lot of what we accept as Asian medicine is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Hi Gye, & All, Gye wrote: > I would hate to think of someone trying a Possession Rx. with out > the whole concept of 5 element behind them. Please explain. Are you saying that the protocol [set sequence of pointts, as described last week] needs to be adapted for each individual? If so, can you give some specific examples of tha Dx and its Tx using adaptations of the protocols? > I will upload to the groups file section a beautiful article by > Peter Mole written for the European Journal of Oriental Medicine > after Jack Worsley's death last year ... Please let us know the URL. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 I think this is a bit misleading. Since when is Worsley acupuncture the definitive form of five phase acupuncture? The Worsley method is one of several treatment styles, loosely based on the Nan Jing and Su Wen material on five phases and the five transporting points, and filtered through modern interpretations of eclectic ideas. There are several Chinese, Japanese and Korean styles that are based on or incorporate five phase theory in their practicum. On Jul 2, 2004, at 7:00 PM, Gye Bennetts 5 Element Acupuncture wrote: > A lot of TCM acupuncturists try to understand it from their sometimes > vast knowledge of Chinese medicine. In some ways this can get in the > way. To this day, I still do not really know what damp is, as it is > nothing to do with Five Element practice. Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Hi Gye, thanks for uploading both articles. I just printed them out and am looking forward to reading them. I agree that it's important to remain open to all styles and I too look forward to further discussions, once again thanks, Ann For those of you who may be interested in learning more about this particular style. I will upload to the groups file section a beautiful article by Peter Mole written for the European Journal of Oriental Medicine after Jack Worsley's death last year that talks about J.R. and the ideas and protocols behind 5 Element. I have really appreciated the openness and questioning of this group. I look forward to many other discussions about this great form of medicine that we all practice, Gye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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