Digest Number 538

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i certainly don't purport to have all of the answers to some of the

questions that have been posed about treatment for aggressive energy or

possession, but since i was trained through a worsley tradition and have

been praciticing and witnessing many miracles utilizing some of the

techniques, i will share some of my experiences and perceptions for what it

is worth.

 

first, the issue of possession. it seems that every professor that lectured

on this subject had a different belief about it. some spoke of internal

possession as an internal struggle that took over a person rendering him/her

unable to function i.e, as in addiction, deep grief, anger, etc. a few

others brushed upon the idea of the invasion of an evil spirit. i

understood from most teachers that external possession was something that

has occurred from an external trauma ie., automobile accident, surgery, etc.

 

my own personal beliefs and spirituality continue to evolve as i practice

this medicine and witness inexplicable phenomena. assessing and treating

for possession was initially a source of confusion and therefore i believe

that i over treated. after a couple of years of practice i felt more

confident in clearly diffrentiating the cases of possession...and find that

they are not so common in the population that i see....though i believe it

would be predominant if i were primarily treating mental illness and unusual

neurological conditions....as this is where i have most seen it manifested.

 

one of the most profound cases that i recall was with a teenager, who had a

baffling neurological disorder that was classified as trigeminal neuralgia

by the neurologists at a well known medical institution....and he had been

referred to the neurosurgeons for brain surgery. the first time that i saw

him, i treated some stomach points on the face (info from tcm manuals). he

initially got better, but then got home and became worse. i received a call

from his parents about him screaming in pain and turning red from the neck

up....said he was " twisting his head like something out of the exorcist " .

i was frightened to say the least. he returned to my office and i did the

internal possession treatment. i had recalled that if a person is possessed,

he/she will get worse with acupuncture treatment if the possession is not

cleared. his symptoms improved after the internal dragon treatment, but were

still there. on the following appointment, i treated for external

possession....and much to my amazement, the symptoms stopped immediately

upon insertion of the needles and have not returned in four years. the

surgery was cancelled.

 

as i have reflected upon this case, i have been struck by the disconnected

dismeanor in this young man.....he was dressed in black clothes(gothic i

believe)....he couldn't make eye contact and he kept babbling about a lot of

religious stuff....i felt annoyed and was not inclined to engage in

conversation with him. the lack of eye contact and my feelings of

disconnection with him were the classic signs that i was taught about

possession. however, it seemed more in line with internal possession and

haven't really been able to understand why he responded to the external

possession. what struck me more than anything....and has since profoundly

changed my entire spiritual belief system ......are some biblical quotations

from jesus regarding possession. i happened to be taking a bible study for

the first time during this period. matthew 12:43 " when the unclean spirit

has gone out of a person, it wanders through waterless regions looking for a

resting place, but if finds none. 44 then it says 'i will return to my

house from which i came' when it comes, it finds it empty, swept, and put

in order. 45 then it goes and brings along seven other spirits more evil

than itself, and they enter and live there; and the last state of that

person is worse than the first. so will it be also with this evil

generation. "

 

wow....how that verse has struck me through some parallels in this treatment

ie., seven evil spirits.....is this the reason for the use of seven needles

i.e, dragons to dispel the seven evil spirits? furthermore, the waterless

regions....so interesting, since we are taught to treat ki 24 " spirit

burial ground " before we finish the treatment.....otherwise, the

individual's spirit will still be weak and vulnerable to becoming possessed

again. the upper kidney points are very strong spirit points that transverse

the heart and treat the shen....reconnecting water and fire. i don't

understand....i am just ever so curious. i also find it interesting that we

have been taught to open windows when doing this treatment, so as to let the

entity escape.....again this supports the idea that there is an actual

spirit.....and when jesus treated a tormented mentally ill person with an

unclean spirit (mark 5), he dialogued with the evil spirit, named legion,

and had it enter a great herd of swine, who were then sent off to their

death. there are many other stories of exorcims in the gospels.

 

incidentally, i refer anyone who is interested in learning more about this

to a recent publication on classical acupuncture by lonnie jarrett THE

CLINICAL PRACTICE OF CHINESE MEDICINE. he seems to have a very deep

understanding of the spirit of this medicine...and i am ever so grateful for

his publication. he has an entire chapter devoted to the treatment of

possession as well as AE. he also has the most lovely explanation of the

spirit of each acupuncture point.

 

i have treated other cases of possession.....several cases of manic

depression, which responded quite well to internal dragon treatment.

another very sad case was with a young woman who had been the victim of

incest responded remarkably to the external dragon treatment.....she began

sweating profusely and nearly passed out after the insertion of needles.

i've observed subtle as well as unusual reactions to the treatment. i feel

the treatment has been successful when the individual reports something

being lifted...and they exhibit some form of joy afterwards. it seems to me

that possession happens to individuals, whose spirits have been destroyed

through abuse...and therefore are depressed, weak and vulnerable to

something else taking over.

 

while i certainly believe in the power of this treatment, i also believe

that some people treat for possession too often....perhaps to rule it out

before moving on ....and i think that probably reflects the practitioner's

misunderstanding (as in my initial year of practice.) i'm more conservative

these days and don't utilize it without good reason. both the internal and

external dragon treatment use a strong reducing method and if a person

already has low energy already, i would think that could potentially make

things worse.

 

i am saddened to see the apparent disegregation of classical acupuncture and

tcm. it is my understanding that the chinese government destroyed a lot of

the classical/spiritual teachings in effort to upgrade itself to the modern

western world. i've heard that many acupuncturists were murdered during

this time.....hence the reason for the esoteric nature of some of worsley's

material.

 

i originally trained as a nurse....and was led to alternative healing

because i became so enchanted with the system....trying to correct illness

mechanically....when so much originates from the spirit. while i've been

extremely grateful for my exposure to worsley's system of acupuncture that

addresses the spirit, i have been equally disappointed with it's inability

to address the physical problems. it seems to me that you just can't

separate body, mind and spirit...and that is what appears to be happening

when we desegregate tcm and classical oriental medicine. i'm grateful for

being part of this e-group, which seems to be attempting to bridge that gap.

 

sincerely,

 

tami

 

ps if this info is useful and anyone would like my perspective on the AE

treatment, i will comment at a later date.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " Tami Slayton "

<tamiann@b...> wrote:

> while i certainly believe in the power of this treatment, i also believe

> that some people treat for possession too often....perhaps to rule

it out

> before moving on ....and i think that probably reflects the

practitioner's

> misunderstanding (as in my initial year of practice.) i'm more

conservative

> these days and don't utilize it without good reason. both the

internal and

> external dragon treatment use a strong reducing method and if a person

> already has low energy already, i would think that could potentially

make

> things worse.

>

> i am saddened to see the apparent disegregation of classical

acupuncture and

> tcm. it is my understanding that the chinese government destroyed

a lot of

> the classical/spiritual teachings in effort to upgrade itself to the

modern

> western world. i've heard that many acupuncturists were murdered during

> this time.....hence the reason for the esoteric nature of some of

worsley's

> material.

>

 

a) I do not think worsly 5 element in classical by any means. I call

it creative marketing.

b) It is total 5 element propaganda to say that the Chinese government

(circu 1949) destroyed all the spiritual emotional `stuff'. It is

well documented that this weeding out processes started 100 and 100's

of years ago.

c) I have yet to see Worsley's style documented anywhere other than

from himself. He created it, and this should be known (I would love

for someone to submit evidence to the contrary, no really) – It is

totally false to say that his esoteric style is the true acupuncture

that occurred prior communist take over. This esoteric nature is

exclusive to that school of thought. Which is fine, but let the truth

me know. TCM is much more classical than worsley. IF people have some

evidence please present it...

 

Respectively,

 

-

[Guest guest]

I agree. Lonny's book is an excellent discussion of this style of

medicine, and the best so far.

 

 

On Jul 3, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Tami Slayton wrote:

 

> incidentally, i refer anyone who is interested in learning more about

> this

> to a recent publication on classical acupuncture by lonnie jarrett THE

> CLINICAL PRACTICE OF CHINESE MEDICINE. he seems to have a very deep

> understanding of the spirit of this medicine...and i am ever so

> grateful for

> his publication. he has an entire chapter devoted to the treatment of

> possession as well as AE. he also has the most lovely explanation of

> the

> spirit of each acupuncture point.

[Guest guest]

I work with a student of Jarret's who has been a

clinical psychologist for 20 years or so. She says she

is disturbed by how much " I " the man has, and also by

his personal take on the theories. Something about his

personal clinical experience superceding original

sources. Of course, this is nothing gaainst the man's

intelligence or clinical efficacy.

Sorry, I know this seems a little crap-slinging, but

I thought I'd give an opposing view that I was exposed

to. I don't know anymore than that. <shrug>

Bye everyone,

Hugo

 

--- <zrosenbe wrote:

> I agree. Lonny's book is an excellent discussion of

> this style of

> medicine, and the best so far.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tami,

 

I would most enjoy your perspective on the AE treatment,

 

thanks muchly,

 

Ann

 

ps if this info is useful and anyone would like my perspective on the

AE treatment, i will comment at a later date.

[Guest guest]

Hi Hugo,

 

I've had a personal experience of which you post reminds me. There was a dinner

with Paul Unschuld at the 2003 PCOM in San Diego which I was attending. Bob

Felt, Ken Rose, , Simcha Gottlieb, Efrom Korngold and Harriet

Beinfeld were also at the table with me asking questions of Paul. I was lucky

enough to be sitting directly across from Paul and made use of my good fortune

to ask many a leading question to learn as much as I could. Suddenly at one

point Lonny sat down to Paul's left, and all conversation was eclipsed, in fact

all personalities were eclipsed as Lonny introduced his thoughts for the

evening. It's not that it wasn't interesting, but pretty much nothing else of

note occurred at that dinner. I kept looking over at Harriet and across at Paul

to try to re-engage them, but the sunlight from Lonny's area was too strong.

Perhaps this is what the psychologist whom you work with was noting. The whole

dynamic was none the less quite interesting given the constellation of people at

the table. Not at all disturbing, and really quite interesting. However, Paul

Unschuld is somewhat reserved, and we heard no more from Paul that evening.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

Hugo Ramiro

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:05 PM

Re: Digest Number 538

 

 

I work with a student of Jarret's who has been a

clinical psychologist for 20 years or so. She says she

is disturbed by how much " I " the man has, and also by

his personal take on the theories. Something about his

personal clinical experience superceding original

sources. Of course, this is nothing gaainst the man's

intelligence or clinical efficacy.

Sorry, I know this seems a little crap-slinging, but

I thought I'd give an opposing view that I was exposed

to. I don't know anymore than that. <shrug>

Bye everyone,

Hugo

 

--- <zrosenbe wrote:

> I agree. Lonny's book is an excellent discussion of

> this style of

> medicine, and the best so far.

>

>