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Hello,

 

I am interested in putting together a list of the types of

certification (DTCM, L.Acc., etc.) and the rules and criteria for

certification in each state/province/country/etc. If you could send me

the details for your area, I will compile all of the information

together to put up in the files section of the site.

 

Thanks,

 

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In the State of California, USA, the designated certification/license

is L. Ac. (aka Licensed Acupuncturist). Although many of us are also

licensed nationally by the NCCAOM (National Commission for the

Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine), this national

certification does not allow one to practice in California. There is

also a degree which was given a number of years ago called an OMD

(Oriental Medical Doctor) by this is no longer a bonafide credential.

This degree was being given out with little more than minor course work

for a year at a time when the Acupuncture field was in it's infancy and

the required hours to graduate and practice were less than half of what

is required now for the MS in Oriental Medicine. There are now two

schools in California - Emperors College of Oriental Medicine in Los

Angeles and Pacific College of Oriental Medicine in San Diego - as well

as Oregon College of Oriental Medicine and Bastyr University in

Seattle, Washington that have been approved to offer a Doctorate Degree

in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM). Although the license to

practice will remain unchanged in the State of California, the DAOM

will be the highest level of education offered, and practitioners with

this degree will be entitled to use the prefix DR.

 

That's the latest for California...

 

Ray Rubio

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Ray/Mark

 

This maybe be splitting hairs.....but let's be careful about NCCAOM. It is

NOT and has never been a LICENSE (nationally or otherwise). At best it is used

as an entry level test which many states adopted but California and 1 other

state does NOT use or recognize.

 

For this project it might be suggested that you separate categories to at

least include:

1) entry level tests by state (there are at least 2 tests - soon to be more

such as NOMAA)

2) certifications (and there is more than the NCCAOM such as AAOMFP),

3) state authorized titles (which sometimes has nothing to do with the actual

degree)

4) degree titles and what accrediting organizations recognize those degrees.

(Don;t forget to include the NEW...DOM degree from NOMAA which will be

regionally accredited at some point).

There is a HUGE difference in these categories and subtleties within the

categories.

 

As to #4...it is an important to note that so far NO regionally accredited

university recognizes the TCM Masters degree nor have they recognized the new

NON-PhD Research degree- DAOM. To clarify - the credits will not be

transferred-in as being worth anything in case one wanted to go on to some other

regionally recognized degree.

 

As to titles......in Florida the formal license by the state is LICENSED

ACUPUNCTURIST while at the same time the Florida legislature allows by statute

the

use of the titles including Doctor of Oriental Medicine and a long time title

that has been used going back to at least 1986 - ACUPUNCTURE PHYSICIAN.

 

Then there is an important issue of this DAOM degree. As it was originally

and I believe still touted....it is a NON-PhD RESEARCH DEGREE. The key operative

word(s) are that it is a NON-PhD degree. What kind of doctorate degree is NOT

an entry level DOCTOR DEGREE and at the same time NOT a PhD?

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/1/2004 1:26:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

RTOO writes:

In the State of California, USA, the designated certification/license

is L. Ac. (aka Licensed Acupuncturist). Although many of us are also

licensed nationally by the NCCAOM (National Commission for the

Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine), this national

certification does not allow one to practice in California. There is

also a degree which was given a number of years ago called an OMD

(Oriental Medical Doctor) by this is no longer a bonafide credential.

This degree was being given out with little more than minor course work

for a year at a time when the Acupuncture field was in it's infancy and

the required hours to graduate and practice were less than half of what

is required now for the MS in Oriental Medicine. There are now two

schools in California - Emperors College of Oriental Medicine in Los

Angeles and Pacific College of Oriental Medicine in San Diego - as well

as Oregon College of Oriental Medicine and Bastyr University in

Seattle, Washington that have been approved to offer a Doctorate Degree

in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM). Although the license to

practice will remain unchanged in the State of California, the DAOM

will be the highest level of education offered, and practitioners with

this degree will be entitled to use the prefix DR.

 

That's the latest for California...

 

Ray Rubio

 

 

 

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In New Jersey, you need a 4 yr bachelor's degree,

which can be in ANY discipline, and a 3 yr. degree

from an accredited acup. school. You must pass the

NCAAOM point location and theory test, then pass a

separate NJ test which has 3 parts: name the

meridians, 40 ques. theory (ques. have a medical

slant, but they're easy), and a self-needling part

where you demonstrate CNT on selected points between

the knee and foot.

John Garbarini, Paramus, NJ USA

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY

 

--- acudoc11 wrote:

> Ray/Mark

>

> This maybe be splitting hairs.....but let's be

> careful about NCCAOM. It is

> NOT and has never been a LICENSE (nationally or

> otherwise). At best it is used

> as an entry level test which many states adopted but

> California and 1 other

> state does NOT use or recognize.

>

> For this project it might be suggested that you

> separate categories to at

> least include:

> 1) entry level tests by state (there are at least 2

> tests - soon to be more

> such as NOMAA)

> 2) certifications (and there is more than the NCCAOM

> such as AAOMFP),

> 3) state authorized titles (which sometimes has

> nothing to do with the actual

> degree)

> 4) degree titles and what accrediting organizations

> recognize those degrees.

> (Don;t forget to include the NEW...DOM degree from

> NOMAA which will be

> regionally accredited at some point).

> There is a HUGE difference in these categories and

> subtleties within the

> categories.

>

> As to #4...it is an important to note that so far NO

> regionally accredited

> university recognizes the TCM Masters degree nor

> have they recognized the new

> NON-PhD Research degree- DAOM. To clarify - the

> credits will not be

> transferred-in as being worth anything in case one

> wanted to go on to some other

> regionally recognized degree.

>

> As to titles......in Florida the formal license by

> the state is LICENSED

> ACUPUNCTURIST while at the same time the Florida

> legislature allows by statute the

> use of the titles including Doctor of Oriental

> Medicine and a long time title

> that has been used going back to at least 1986 -

> ACUPUNCTURE PHYSICIAN.

>

> Then there is an important issue of this DAOM

> degree. As it was originally

> and I believe still touted....it is a NON-PhD

> RESEARCH DEGREE. The key operative

> word(s) are that it is a NON-PhD degree. What kind

> of doctorate degree is NOT

> an entry level DOCTOR DEGREE and at the same time

> NOT a PhD?

>

> Richard

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/1/2004 1:26:57 AM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> RTOO writes:

> In the State of California, USA, the designated

> certification/license

> is L. Ac. (aka Licensed Acupuncturist). Although

> many of us are also

> licensed nationally by the NCCAOM (National

> Commission for the

> Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine),

> this national

> certification does not allow one to practice in

> California. There is

> also a degree which was given a number of years ago

> called an OMD

> (Oriental Medical Doctor) by this is no longer a

> bonafide credential.

> This degree was being given out with little more

> than minor course work

> for a year at a time when the Acupuncture field was

> in it's infancy and

> the required hours to graduate and practice were

> less than half of what

> is required now for the MS in Oriental Medicine.

> There are now two

> schools in California - Emperors College of Oriental

> Medicine in Los

> Angeles and Pacific College of Oriental Medicine in

> San Diego - as well

> as Oregon College of Oriental Medicine and Bastyr

> University in

> Seattle, Washington that have been approved to offer

> a Doctorate Degree

> in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM).

> Although the license to

> practice will remain unchanged in the State of

> California, the DAOM

> will be the highest level of education offered, and

> practitioners with

> this degree will be entitled to use the prefix DR.

>

> That's the latest for California...

>

> Ray Rubio

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John

 

Please comment or find out if the 3yr degree from an accredited acup. school

is accepted at any regionally accredited New Jersey university in the case

that the individual wished to gain credit for some other degree endeavor?

 

What is the allowable title for licensees in New Jersey?

Are there any reciprocation or endorsement procedures which might differ from

the usual education route?

 

Thanks for the update...I did remember that NJ its own test but wasn't sure

if it stood alone or was in addition to NCCAOM. Obviously there are a few other

states which have some doubt regarding the efficacy of the national standard

such as California.

 

Richard

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

johnlg_2000 writes:

In New Jersey, you need a 4 yr bachelor's degree,

which can be in ANY discipline, and a 3 yr. degree

from an accredited acup. school. You must pass the

NCAAOM point location and theory test, then pass a

separate NJ test which has 3 parts: name the

meridians, 40 ques. theory (ques. have a medical

slant, but they're easy), and a self-needling part

where you demonstrate CNT on selected points between

the knee and foot.

John Garbarini, Paramus, NJ USA

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY

 

 

 

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In Nj, you cna't call yourself Doctor if you're an

LAC. I think LAc is the only designation. Reciprocal

endorsement? Other degree endeavor?

Speak English, please..... speak plainly.

 

--- acudoc11 wrote:

> John

>

> Please comment or find out if the 3yr degree from an

> accredited acup. school

> is accepted at any regionally accredited New Jersey

> university in the case

> that the individual wished to gain credit for some

> other degree endeavor?

>

> What is the allowable title for licensees in New

> Jersey?

> Are there any reciprocation or endorsement

> procedures which might differ from

> the usual education route?

>

> Thanks for the update...I did remember that NJ its

> own test but wasn't sure

> if it stood alone or was in addition to NCCAOM.

> Obviously there are a few other

> states which have some doubt regarding the efficacy

> of the national standard

> such as California.

>

> Richard

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:24:06 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> johnlg_2000 writes:

> In New Jersey, you need a 4 yr bachelor's degree,

> which can be in ANY discipline, and a 3 yr. degree

> from an accredited acup. school. You must pass the

> NCAAOM point location and theory test, then pass a

> separate NJ test which has 3 parts: name the

> meridians, 40 ques. theory (ques. have a medical

> slant, but they're easy), and a self-needling part

> where you demonstrate CNT on selected points between

> the knee and foot.

> John Garbarini, Paramus, NJ USA

> HAPPY 4TH OF JULY

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Be assured that no regionally accredited university has yet accepted credits

from TCM Masters or for that matter anything that is TCM and it is seriously

doubtful they will UNTIL such time as graduates come forth from NOMAA

accredited schools which hold the dual accreditation.

 

In part I would suspect that California was the same as to being exclusionary

AND at the same time their testing standards were set to a much higher level

for basic qualifications.

 

Richard

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/2/2004 10:19:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

johnlg_2000 writes:

Whether or not credits transfer, that I do not know; I

guess it's up to the ind. school accepting the

credits.

In NJ, you can't call yourself a Doctor.

There's an apprentice program, but I don't

know of anyone using it.

NJ's exam was used to exclude people from the

state, not enhance their skills.

JG

 

 

 

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As example..in Florida there are 3 pathways for applying for license.

1) by completing requirements from a Florida school and passing the NCCAOM

exam

2) by being licensed in another state whose educational requirements are

equal to or greater than Florida's (called - requesting endorsement by out of

state licensure)

3) by completing educational requirements 'out of state' which are equal to

Florida's, and pasing the NCCAOM exam. (requesting endorsement from out of

state without a license).

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 7/2/2004 8:35:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

johnlg_2000 writes:

In Nj, you cna't call yourself Doctor if you're an

LAC. I think LAc is the only designation. Reciprocal

endorsement? Other degree endeavor?

Speak English, please..... speak plainly.

 

 

 

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Whether or not credits transfer, that I do not know; I

guess it's up to the ind. school accepting the

credits.

In NJ, you can't call yourself a Doctor.

There's an apprentice program, but I don't

know of anyone using it.

NJ's exam was used to exclude people from the

state, not enhance their skills.

JG

--- acudoc11 wrote:

> John

>

> Please comment or find out if the 3yr degree from an

> accredited acup. school

> is accepted at any regionally accredited New Jersey

> university in the case

> that the individual wished to gain credit for some

> other degree endeavor?

>

> What is the allowable title for licensees in New

> Jersey?

> Are there any reciprocation or endorsement

> procedures which might differ from

> the usual education route?

>

> Thanks for the update...I did remember that NJ its

> own test but wasn't sure

> if it stood alone or was in addition to NCCAOM.

> Obviously there are a few other

> states which have some doubt regarding the efficacy

> of the national standard

> such as California.

>

> Richard

>

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Sure. But be aware that the NJ exam used to ask for

one to plot all 361 points by hand, on 2 reg. sized

pieces of paper (back and front of the body). You

could fail the exam by getting just 1 point wrong of

all 361 (No baloney!!) and my alma mater , the Eastern

School of Montclair, NJ and their alums went to court

to get this ridiculous part of the exam tossed, and

the end result was now we have 2-3 Xs the LAcs.

working in NJ than just 3 years ago.

It was a big political thing. All the major pharma.

cos. have HQs in NJ, and you know the rest of the

story...they just didn't want us in the state at all.

JG

 

 

--- acudoc11 wrote:

> JG

>

> Be assured that no regionally accredited university

> has yet accepted credits

> from TCM Masters or for that matter anything that is

> TCM and it is seriously

> doubtful they will UNTIL such time as graduates come

> forth from NOMAA

> accredited schools which hold the dual

> accreditation.

>

> In part I would suspect that California was the same

> as to being exclusionary

> AND at the same time their testing standards were

> set to a much higher level

> for basic qualifications.

>

> Richard

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/2/2004 10:19:32 AM Pacific

> Daylight Time,

> johnlg_2000 writes:

> Whether or not credits transfer, that I do not know;

> I

> guess it's up to the ind. school accepting the

> credits.

> In NJ, you can't call yourself a Doctor.

> There's an apprentice program, but I don't

> know of anyone using it.

> NJ's exam was used to exclude people from the

> state, not enhance their skills.

> JG

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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NJ doesn't recognize ANY of those things. You must

have 4 yr. bachelor's, 3-yr acup. degree, and then

pass both the nationals and NJ's own wacky exam.

NJ is a world onto itself, but as I've said, we've

made progress against these medieval obstacles.

JG

 

 

--- acudoc11 wrote:

> As example..in Florida there are 3 pathways for

> applying for license.

> 1) by completing requirements from a Florida school

> and passing the NCCAOM

> exam

> 2) by being licensed in another state whose

> educational requirements are

> equal to or greater than Florida's (called -

> requesting endorsement by out of

> state licensure)

> 3) by completing educational requirements 'out of

> state' which are equal to

> Florida's, and pasing the NCCAOM exam. (requesting

> endorsement from out of

> state without a license).

> Richard

>

>

> In a message dated 7/2/2004 8:35:46 AM Pacific

> Daylight Time,

> johnlg_2000 writes:

> In Nj, you cna't call yourself Doctor if you're an

> LAC. I think LAc is the only designation. Reciprocal

> endorsement? Other degree endeavor?

> Speak English, please..... speak plainly.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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