Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Hello, I am interested in putting together a list of the types of certification (DTCM, L.Acc., etc.) and the rules and criteria for certification in each state/province/country/etc. If you could send me the details for your area, I will compile all of the information together to put up in the files section of the site. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 In the State of California, USA, the designated certification/license is L. Ac. (aka Licensed Acupuncturist). Although many of us are also licensed nationally by the NCCAOM (National Commission for the Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine), this national certification does not allow one to practice in California. There is also a degree which was given a number of years ago called an OMD (Oriental Medical Doctor) by this is no longer a bonafide credential. This degree was being given out with little more than minor course work for a year at a time when the Acupuncture field was in it's infancy and the required hours to graduate and practice were less than half of what is required now for the MS in Oriental Medicine. There are now two schools in California - Emperors College of Oriental Medicine in Los Angeles and Pacific College of Oriental Medicine in San Diego - as well as Oregon College of Oriental Medicine and Bastyr University in Seattle, Washington that have been approved to offer a Doctorate Degree in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM). Although the license to practice will remain unchanged in the State of California, the DAOM will be the highest level of education offered, and practitioners with this degree will be entitled to use the prefix DR. That's the latest for California... Ray Rubio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Ray/Mark This maybe be splitting hairs.....but let's be careful about NCCAOM. It is NOT and has never been a LICENSE (nationally or otherwise). At best it is used as an entry level test which many states adopted but California and 1 other state does NOT use or recognize. For this project it might be suggested that you separate categories to at least include: 1) entry level tests by state (there are at least 2 tests - soon to be more such as NOMAA) 2) certifications (and there is more than the NCCAOM such as AAOMFP), 3) state authorized titles (which sometimes has nothing to do with the actual degree) 4) degree titles and what accrediting organizations recognize those degrees. (Don;t forget to include the NEW...DOM degree from NOMAA which will be regionally accredited at some point). There is a HUGE difference in these categories and subtleties within the categories. As to #4...it is an important to note that so far NO regionally accredited university recognizes the TCM Masters degree nor have they recognized the new NON-PhD Research degree- DAOM. To clarify - the credits will not be transferred-in as being worth anything in case one wanted to go on to some other regionally recognized degree. As to titles......in Florida the formal license by the state is LICENSED ACUPUNCTURIST while at the same time the Florida legislature allows by statute the use of the titles including Doctor of Oriental Medicine and a long time title that has been used going back to at least 1986 - ACUPUNCTURE PHYSICIAN. Then there is an important issue of this DAOM degree. As it was originally and I believe still touted....it is a NON-PhD RESEARCH DEGREE. The key operative word(s) are that it is a NON-PhD degree. What kind of doctorate degree is NOT an entry level DOCTOR DEGREE and at the same time NOT a PhD? Richard In a message dated 7/1/2004 1:26:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RTOO writes: In the State of California, USA, the designated certification/license is L. Ac. (aka Licensed Acupuncturist). Although many of us are also licensed nationally by the NCCAOM (National Commission for the Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine), this national certification does not allow one to practice in California. There is also a degree which was given a number of years ago called an OMD (Oriental Medical Doctor) by this is no longer a bonafide credential. This degree was being given out with little more than minor course work for a year at a time when the Acupuncture field was in it's infancy and the required hours to graduate and practice were less than half of what is required now for the MS in Oriental Medicine. There are now two schools in California - Emperors College of Oriental Medicine in Los Angeles and Pacific College of Oriental Medicine in San Diego - as well as Oregon College of Oriental Medicine and Bastyr University in Seattle, Washington that have been approved to offer a Doctorate Degree in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM). Although the license to practice will remain unchanged in the State of California, the DAOM will be the highest level of education offered, and practitioners with this degree will be entitled to use the prefix DR. That's the latest for California... Ray Rubio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 In New Jersey, you need a 4 yr bachelor's degree, which can be in ANY discipline, and a 3 yr. degree from an accredited acup. school. You must pass the NCAAOM point location and theory test, then pass a separate NJ test which has 3 parts: name the meridians, 40 ques. theory (ques. have a medical slant, but they're easy), and a self-needling part where you demonstrate CNT on selected points between the knee and foot. John Garbarini, Paramus, NJ USA HAPPY 4TH OF JULY --- acudoc11 wrote: > Ray/Mark > > This maybe be splitting hairs.....but let's be > careful about NCCAOM. It is > NOT and has never been a LICENSE (nationally or > otherwise). At best it is used > as an entry level test which many states adopted but > California and 1 other > state does NOT use or recognize. > > For this project it might be suggested that you > separate categories to at > least include: > 1) entry level tests by state (there are at least 2 > tests - soon to be more > such as NOMAA) > 2) certifications (and there is more than the NCCAOM > such as AAOMFP), > 3) state authorized titles (which sometimes has > nothing to do with the actual > degree) > 4) degree titles and what accrediting organizations > recognize those degrees. > (Don;t forget to include the NEW...DOM degree from > NOMAA which will be > regionally accredited at some point). > There is a HUGE difference in these categories and > subtleties within the > categories. > > As to #4...it is an important to note that so far NO > regionally accredited > university recognizes the TCM Masters degree nor > have they recognized the new > NON-PhD Research degree- DAOM. To clarify - the > credits will not be > transferred-in as being worth anything in case one > wanted to go on to some other > regionally recognized degree. > > As to titles......in Florida the formal license by > the state is LICENSED > ACUPUNCTURIST while at the same time the Florida > legislature allows by statute the > use of the titles including Doctor of Oriental > Medicine and a long time title > that has been used going back to at least 1986 - > ACUPUNCTURE PHYSICIAN. > > Then there is an important issue of this DAOM > degree. As it was originally > and I believe still touted....it is a NON-PhD > RESEARCH DEGREE. The key operative > word(s) are that it is a NON-PhD degree. What kind > of doctorate degree is NOT > an entry level DOCTOR DEGREE and at the same time > NOT a PhD? > > Richard > > > > > In a message dated 7/1/2004 1:26:57 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > RTOO writes: > In the State of California, USA, the designated > certification/license > is L. Ac. (aka Licensed Acupuncturist). Although > many of us are also > licensed nationally by the NCCAOM (National > Commission for the > Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine), > this national > certification does not allow one to practice in > California. There is > also a degree which was given a number of years ago > called an OMD > (Oriental Medical Doctor) by this is no longer a > bonafide credential. > This degree was being given out with little more > than minor course work > for a year at a time when the Acupuncture field was > in it's infancy and > the required hours to graduate and practice were > less than half of what > is required now for the MS in Oriental Medicine. > There are now two > schools in California - Emperors College of Oriental > Medicine in Los > Angeles and Pacific College of Oriental Medicine in > San Diego - as well > as Oregon College of Oriental Medicine and Bastyr > University in > Seattle, Washington that have been approved to offer > a Doctorate Degree > in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM). > Although the license to > practice will remain unchanged in the State of > California, the DAOM > will be the highest level of education offered, and > practitioners with > this degree will be entitled to use the prefix DR. > > That's the latest for California... > > Ray Rubio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 John Please comment or find out if the 3yr degree from an accredited acup. school is accepted at any regionally accredited New Jersey university in the case that the individual wished to gain credit for some other degree endeavor? What is the allowable title for licensees in New Jersey? Are there any reciprocation or endorsement procedures which might differ from the usual education route? Thanks for the update...I did remember that NJ its own test but wasn't sure if it stood alone or was in addition to NCCAOM. Obviously there are a few other states which have some doubt regarding the efficacy of the national standard such as California. Richard In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnlg_2000 writes: In New Jersey, you need a 4 yr bachelor's degree, which can be in ANY discipline, and a 3 yr. degree from an accredited acup. school. You must pass the NCAAOM point location and theory test, then pass a separate NJ test which has 3 parts: name the meridians, 40 ques. theory (ques. have a medical slant, but they're easy), and a self-needling part where you demonstrate CNT on selected points between the knee and foot. John Garbarini, Paramus, NJ USA HAPPY 4TH OF JULY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 In Nj, you cna't call yourself Doctor if you're an LAC. I think LAc is the only designation. Reciprocal endorsement? Other degree endeavor? Speak English, please..... speak plainly. --- acudoc11 wrote: > John > > Please comment or find out if the 3yr degree from an > accredited acup. school > is accepted at any regionally accredited New Jersey > university in the case > that the individual wished to gain credit for some > other degree endeavor? > > What is the allowable title for licensees in New > Jersey? > Are there any reciprocation or endorsement > procedures which might differ from > the usual education route? > > Thanks for the update...I did remember that NJ its > own test but wasn't sure > if it stood alone or was in addition to NCCAOM. > Obviously there are a few other > states which have some doubt regarding the efficacy > of the national standard > such as California. > > Richard > > > > In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:24:06 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > johnlg_2000 writes: > In New Jersey, you need a 4 yr bachelor's degree, > which can be in ANY discipline, and a 3 yr. degree > from an accredited acup. school. You must pass the > NCAAOM point location and theory test, then pass a > separate NJ test which has 3 parts: name the > meridians, 40 ques. theory (ques. have a medical > slant, but they're easy), and a self-needling part > where you demonstrate CNT on selected points between > the knee and foot. > John Garbarini, Paramus, NJ USA > HAPPY 4TH OF JULY > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 JG Be assured that no regionally accredited university has yet accepted credits from TCM Masters or for that matter anything that is TCM and it is seriously doubtful they will UNTIL such time as graduates come forth from NOMAA accredited schools which hold the dual accreditation. In part I would suspect that California was the same as to being exclusionary AND at the same time their testing standards were set to a much higher level for basic qualifications. Richard In a message dated 7/2/2004 10:19:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnlg_2000 writes: Whether or not credits transfer, that I do not know; I guess it's up to the ind. school accepting the credits. In NJ, you can't call yourself a Doctor. There's an apprentice program, but I don't know of anyone using it. NJ's exam was used to exclude people from the state, not enhance their skills. JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 As example..in Florida there are 3 pathways for applying for license. 1) by completing requirements from a Florida school and passing the NCCAOM exam 2) by being licensed in another state whose educational requirements are equal to or greater than Florida's (called - requesting endorsement by out of state licensure) 3) by completing educational requirements 'out of state' which are equal to Florida's, and pasing the NCCAOM exam. (requesting endorsement from out of state without a license). Richard In a message dated 7/2/2004 8:35:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnlg_2000 writes: In Nj, you cna't call yourself Doctor if you're an LAC. I think LAc is the only designation. Reciprocal endorsement? Other degree endeavor? Speak English, please..... speak plainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Whether or not credits transfer, that I do not know; I guess it's up to the ind. school accepting the credits. In NJ, you can't call yourself a Doctor. There's an apprentice program, but I don't know of anyone using it. NJ's exam was used to exclude people from the state, not enhance their skills. JG --- acudoc11 wrote: > John > > Please comment or find out if the 3yr degree from an > accredited acup. school > is accepted at any regionally accredited New Jersey > university in the case > that the individual wished to gain credit for some > other degree endeavor? > > What is the allowable title for licensees in New > Jersey? > Are there any reciprocation or endorsement > procedures which might differ from > the usual education route? > > Thanks for the update...I did remember that NJ its > own test but wasn't sure > if it stood alone or was in addition to NCCAOM. > Obviously there are a few other > states which have some doubt regarding the efficacy > of the national standard > such as California. > > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Sure. But be aware that the NJ exam used to ask for one to plot all 361 points by hand, on 2 reg. sized pieces of paper (back and front of the body). You could fail the exam by getting just 1 point wrong of all 361 (No baloney!!) and my alma mater , the Eastern School of Montclair, NJ and their alums went to court to get this ridiculous part of the exam tossed, and the end result was now we have 2-3 Xs the LAcs. working in NJ than just 3 years ago. It was a big political thing. All the major pharma. cos. have HQs in NJ, and you know the rest of the story...they just didn't want us in the state at all. JG --- acudoc11 wrote: > JG > > Be assured that no regionally accredited university > has yet accepted credits > from TCM Masters or for that matter anything that is > TCM and it is seriously > doubtful they will UNTIL such time as graduates come > forth from NOMAA > accredited schools which hold the dual > accreditation. > > In part I would suspect that California was the same > as to being exclusionary > AND at the same time their testing standards were > set to a much higher level > for basic qualifications. > > Richard > > > > In a message dated 7/2/2004 10:19:32 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, > johnlg_2000 writes: > Whether or not credits transfer, that I do not know; > I > guess it's up to the ind. school accepting the > credits. > In NJ, you can't call yourself a Doctor. > There's an apprentice program, but I don't > know of anyone using it. > NJ's exam was used to exclude people from the > state, not enhance their skills. > JG > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 NJ doesn't recognize ANY of those things. You must have 4 yr. bachelor's, 3-yr acup. degree, and then pass both the nationals and NJ's own wacky exam. NJ is a world onto itself, but as I've said, we've made progress against these medieval obstacles. JG --- acudoc11 wrote: > As example..in Florida there are 3 pathways for > applying for license. > 1) by completing requirements from a Florida school > and passing the NCCAOM > exam > 2) by being licensed in another state whose > educational requirements are > equal to or greater than Florida's (called - > requesting endorsement by out of > state licensure) > 3) by completing educational requirements 'out of > state' which are equal to > Florida's, and pasing the NCCAOM exam. (requesting > endorsement from out of > state without a license). > Richard > > > In a message dated 7/2/2004 8:35:46 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, > johnlg_2000 writes: > In Nj, you cna't call yourself Doctor if you're an > LAC. I think LAc is the only designation. Reciprocal > endorsement? Other degree endeavor? > Speak English, please..... speak plainly. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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