Korean condensers ... and rice cookers?

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio,

 

Here at work we have a Korean machine that has a two gallon output per hour of

highly condensed herbal extract. Our professional model is a combination of

ceramics, glass and steel with rubber hoses and a conveyor belt for container

filling. There's smaller (home use) ones in San Francisco Chinatown for two

dose cookings, and they are made of Pyrex glass: about $60 per unit. The large

professional one is for a large clinical setting in a pharmacology department of

a hospital: $1,000 to $3,000 per unit range.

 

You are correct about the inconveniences. Some pharmacists or OMDs prefer to

add herbs all along the way at various points of the decoction ... especially

the addition of aromatics toward the end of the cooking. When I cook herbs at

home or help with herbal cooking at the clinic, it's mainly done with

traditional ceramic cookware. Herbal combining during cooking is all by itself

a deep science. Many of the practitioners of merit that I'm familiar with tend

to look askance at the powdered extracts coming out of Taiwan and China. I sell

such things myself, but I'd agree with their perspectives. These powders are

still part of the hospital setting in Taiwan and in China. I've noticed that

they would never actually build a formula from individual powdered extracts,

though they might add individual powdered extracts to modify a formula extract.

Part of the formula's efficacy arises from combining the herbs in the pot ...

from the perspective of these practitioners ... as well as a biochemist like me

.... chemistry happens when you cook. I've seen big clinical differences both in

myself and in patients in the clinical setting between using powdered formula

extracts and cooking " the noble herbs " , as they would say, together in the pot.

I find that I'm not alone in this observation.

 

So my only bow to technology these days is to cook tonic formulas for myself in

an ultra modern rice cooker on the " porridge " setting. I use a separate

container just for herbs so as not to gross out the delicate sensibilities of my

wife. You can obtain extra containers for any rice cooker, and some rice

cookers have quite elaborate settings these days. In this way you can cook your

herbs as long as you want, add herbs when you want, and never have to worry

about burning your herbs.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

Hi all,

 

Sometime back we discussed Korean herbal condenser machines. A

number of members highlightes their advantages and disadvantages.

Well, now that i am in Korea. i've had the chance to check them out

and see what's what.

 

The drawbacks members talked about before included the use of

stainless steel, contamination between decoctions, speed, etc. I

believe that these disadvantages are with the older machines that

wer first introduced into the market.

 

Today i had the opportunity to view the latest model on the market.

It looks like an advanced washing machine, with it's top loading

window. A hefty thing, it can cook upto 3kg of herbs in 45 mins. The

bowel is high quality ceramtic and held under pressure. The herbs

are steamed cooked first then boiled. All of this is done under full

automation. There is also a compulsory automated washing program

between decoctions.

 

Alas with minerals and fine flowers that need to be decocted before

or at the end, there is no program to take care of that, probably

due to the variables of this. You'll just have to remember when to

add the herbs manually.

 

This, i believe, has ironed out quite a few of the old down points

to these machines. Technology now really can help an ancient form of

medicine.

 

If anyone wants any further info on this machine and it's filtering-

packing partner, contact me off list. I have the website address

(Korean only), but you may be able to get some English info out of

them. There is also an office in L.A. lucky Americans (don't have

details of it however-email head office).

 

Attilio

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Emmanuel,

 

Rice cooker, great idea, never thought of that. I think that many

home users may be able to take advantage of this idea.

 

I'm afriad that these machines i've seen are a lot more expensive

than the ones you quoted. Things aren't that cheap in Asia after all.

 

Tell me, how much weight of herbs can your commerical machine cook

at anyone time? And also how long does it take? I believe that the

older machines took 2-3 hours, whereas the newer machines take 45

minutes.

 

I don't think that these machine are to be solely located in a

hospital setting, but can be used in large clinics or herbal

suppliers/chemists.

 

Attilio

 

Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> Hi Attilio,

>

> Here at work we have a Korean machine that has a two gallon output

per hour of highly condensed herbal extract. Our professional model

is a combination of ceramics, glass and steel with rubber hoses and

a conveyor belt for container filling. There's smaller (home use)

ones in San Francisco Chinatown for two dose cookings, and they are

made of Pyrex glass: about $60 per unit. The large professional one

is for a large clinical setting in a pharmacology department of a

hospital: $1,000 to $3,000 per unit range.

>

> You are correct about the inconveniences. Some pharmacists or

OMDs prefer to add herbs all along the way at various points of the

decoction ... especially the addition of aromatics toward the end of

the cooking. When I cook herbs at home or help with herbal cooking

at the clinic, it's mainly done with traditional ceramic cookware.

Herbal combining during cooking is all by itself a deep science.

Many of the practitioners of merit that I'm familiar with tend to

look askance at the powdered extracts coming out of Taiwan and

China. I sell such things myself, but I'd agree with their

perspectives. These powders are still part of the hospital setting

in Taiwan and in China. I've noticed that they would never actually

build a formula from individual powdered extracts, though they might

add individual powdered extracts to modify a formula extract. Part

of the formula's efficacy arises from combining the herbs in the

pot ... from the perspective of these practitioners ... as well as a

biochemist like me ... chemistry happens when you cook. I've seen

big clinical differences both in myself and in patients in the

clinical setting between using powdered formula extracts and

cooking " the noble herbs " , as they would say, together in the pot.

I find that I'm not alone in this observation.

>

> So my only bow to technology these days is to cook tonic formulas

for myself in an ultra modern rice cooker on the " porridge "

setting. I use a separate container just for herbs so as not to

gross out the delicate sensibilities of my wife. You can obtain

extra containers for any rice cooker, and some rice cookers have

quite elaborate settings these days. In this way you can cook your

herbs as long as you want, add herbs when you want, and never have

to worry about burning your herbs.

>

> Respectfully,

> Emmanuel Segmen

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> Sometime back we discussed Korean herbal condenser machines. A

> number of members highlightes their advantages and

disadvantages.

> Well, now that i am in Korea. i've had the chance to check them

out

> and see what's what.

>

> The drawbacks members talked about before included the use of

> stainless steel, contamination between decoctions, speed, etc. I

> believe that these disadvantages are with the older machines

that

> wer first introduced into the market.

>

> Today i had the opportunity to view the latest model on the

market.

> It looks like an advanced washing machine, with it's top loading

> window. A hefty thing, it can cook upto 3kg of herbs in 45 mins.

The

> bowel is high quality ceramtic and held under pressure. The

herbs

> are steamed cooked first then boiled. All of this is done under

full

> automation. There is also a compulsory automated washing program

> between decoctions.

>

> Alas with minerals and fine flowers that need to be decocted

before

> or at the end, there is no program to take care of that,

probably

> due to the variables of this. You'll just have to remember when

to

> add the herbs manually.

>

> This, i believe, has ironed out quite a few of the old down

points

> to these machines. Technology now really can help an ancient

form of

> medicine.

>

> If anyone wants any further info on this machine and it's

filtering-

> packing partner, contact me off list. I have the website address

> (Korean only), but you may be able to get some English info out

of

> them. There is also an office in L.A. lucky Americans (don't

have

> details of it however-email head office).

>

> Attilio