topical salve or ointment to break up phlegm

[Guest guest]

When these phlegm nodules develop heat >> fire toxin, as they sometimes do over

time, they become the type of carbuncles that can be treated with xian fang huo

ming

yin (Bensky & Barolet p. 85) - an internal Rx, but you can apply the dregs

externally.

Another option would be wu wei xiao du yin - for hot and hard lesions.

 

But I, too, would be interested to hear anyone's experience in treating them

before

they get to this stage. I would think that an internal formula suited to the

pattern,

adding herbs such as xuan shen, hai zao, kun bu, bei mu, etc... and guiding

herbs -

e.g. niu xi for lower extremities - would help.

 

I recently saw a case similar to this, which started out as those rubbery

nodules but

had become very hot and toxic and painful. In the circumstances I had to treat

it with

whatever was on hand: yin qiao internally, and Spring Wind Golden Yellow

ointment

externally. Also acupuncture - surround the dragon, plus other clear heat, move

blood & qi, and transform phlegm pts. Results were positive and rather dramatic

- I

imagine they would have been more so had I been able to customize herbs.

 

Simcha

 

Chinese Medicine , Persis <pointedneedle>

wrote:

> Dr K

> Not come across any such product myself but have

> successfully used a dermal roller to help break down some

> of these stubborn attachments of phlegm that are more

> surface.

>

> It's a long term treatment with just acupuncture but I

> suspect that chinese herbs would step things up some.

>

> Best wishes

> Persis

>

>

>

>

> --- " Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote: >

> I often come upon patients with impacted phlegm on arms

> > legs torso.

> >

> > The 'feel' is life hard India Rubber, soft, even stony

> > with the slightest

> > 'give'.

> >

> > As often there may still be elements of Heat and one

> > would fear releasing

> > some phlegm to run upwards to HT or head.

> >

> > Is there a topical application, a salve or ointment which

> > locally breaks up

> > phlegm?

> >

> > Dr. Holmes Keikobad

> > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

> > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

> > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Is that the one with small spikes?

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

-

" Persis " <pointedneedle

<Chinese Medicine >

Friday, June 18, 2004 9:16 AM

Re: Re: topical salve or ointment to break up phlegm

 

 

> Dr K

> Not come across any such product myself but have

> successfully used a dermal roller to help break down some

> of these stubborn attachments of phlegm that are more

> surface.

>

> It's a long term treatment with just acupuncture but I

> suspect that chinese herbs would step things up some.

>

> Best wishes

> Persis

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, small spikes pressed along quite hard but bearable along the skin.

Can be found at most acupuncture suppliers; let me know if you need help

sourcing.

Best wishes

Persis

 

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad [acuheal]

18 June 2004 23:41

Chinese Medicine

Re: Re: topical salve or ointment to break up phlegm

 

Is that the one with small spikes?

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

-

" Persis " <pointedneedle

<Chinese Medicine >

Friday, June 18, 2004 9:16 AM

Re: Re: topical salve or ointment to break up phlegm

 

 

> Dr K

> Not come across any such product myself but have

> successfully used a dermal roller to help break down some

> of these stubborn attachments of phlegm that are more

> surface.

>

> It's a long term treatment with just acupuncture but I

> suspect that chinese herbs would step things up some.

>

> Best wishes

> Persis

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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