Pressure on superficiel temporal artery at GB22 in migraine

[Guest guest]

Hi Holger & All,

 

I had written to Holger off list [re first aid [self-treatment] of

migraine: Apply heavy digital pressure to temporal artery just in

front of the upper part of the ear for several minutes. See:

webmd.com/content/article/24/1826_50526

 

Holger wrote:

> From one of the links in your response on Migraine: " ... And

> Sultaneh says migraine patients can test his theory, and get

> relief from their headaches at the same time, by simply applying

> pressure to the pulse just in front of their ears for several

> minutes. Several migraine sufferers writing to a WebMD message

> board did just that, and agreed that it did offer relief. ...For

> the last 20 hours I feel like a human being again, " one reader

> wrote. Another wrote that, " My 10-day-old migraine diminished

> rapidly and finally disappeared in about 45 minutes. ... "

 

> Phil, What do you think about this pressure point? If not just

> related to blood flow, what else is happening here? The place

> corresponds to Erheliao (SJ22) or Xuanlu and Xuanli, (GB5 and

> GB6), all local points for migraine. Holger

 

Holger, " Chinese Acupuncture & Moxibustion " 1990, Foreign

Languages Press, Beijing, p 198 says:

 

Erheliao (SJ22): Location: Anterior & superior to Ermen-SJ21, at

the level of the root of the auricle, on the posterior border of the

hairline of the temple where the superficiel temporal artery passes.

Indications: Migraine, tinnitus, lockjaw. Method: Avoid puncturing

the artery ... " [He = Harmony, Peace, Meeting, Agreement; Liao =

Foramen, Bone-hole]

 

GB05 and GB05 also are used for migraine. However, like GB04

(also used in migraine), they are NOT mentioned as being over the

superficiel temporal artery, although their vascular supply is via

parietal branches of that artery & its vein.

 

IMO, HEAVY digital pressure (>6lb pressure) on TH22 / temporal

artery for several minutes has TWO effects:

 

(1) To OCCLUDE blood flow in the artery for several minutes will

reduce arterial supply to the superficial vessels in the temporal

scalp area. Reduced local blood pressure there may reduce

migraine, because migraine [a vasomotor headache} is said by

some experts to relate to increased local blood pressure.

 

(2) Pressure on GB22 is acupressure. It induces an acupuncture-

type response, like Tuina.

 

 

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In my references, GB22 is located on the mid axillary line below the

armpit on the ribspace (3rd? 4th? I don't have my ref here). I had a

headache (pre-menstrual, perimenopausal) at the time I was reading

this post and tried the location you suggested. It worked easily and

wonderfully well!!! What tradition places GB22 (did you mean SJ22??)

at this spot? Any books I could refer to? Thanks for on-the-spot

relief of my suffering (and future monthly suffering)!!!

shanna

Chinese Medicine , " "

<@e...> wrote:

> Hi Holger & All,

>

> I had written to Holger off list [re first aid [self-treatment] of

> migraine: Apply heavy digital pressure to temporal artery just in

> front of the upper part of the ear for several minutes. See:

> webmd.com/content/article/24/1826_50526

>

> Holger wrote:

> > From one of the links in your response on Migraine: " ... And

> > Sultaneh says migraine patients can test his theory, and get

> > relief from their headaches at the same time, by simply applying

> > pressure to the pulse just in front of their ears for several

> > minutes. Several migraine sufferers writing to a WebMD message

> > board did just that, and agreed that it did offer relief. ...For

> > the last 20 hours I feel like a human being again, " one reader

> > wrote. Another wrote that, " My 10-day-old migraine diminished

> > rapidly and finally disappeared in about 45 minutes. ... "

>

> > Phil, What do you think about this pressure point? If not just

> > related to blood flow, what else is happening here? The place

> > corresponds to Erheliao (SJ22) or Xuanlu and Xuanli, (GB5 and

> > GB6), all local points for migraine. Holger

>

> Holger, " Chinese Acupuncture & Moxibustion " 1990, Foreign

> Languages Press, Beijing, p 198 says:

>

> Erheliao (SJ22): Location: Anterior & superior to Ermen-SJ21, at

> the level of the root of the auricle, on the posterior border of

the

> hairline of the temple where the superficiel temporal artery

passes.

> Indications: Migraine, tinnitus, lockjaw. Method: Avoid puncturing

> the artery ... " [He = Harmony, Peace, Meeting, Agreement; Liao =

> Foramen, Bone-hole]

>

> GB05 and GB05 also are used for migraine. However, like GB04

> (also used in migraine), they are NOT mentioned as being over the

> superficiel temporal artery, although their vascular supply is via

> parietal branches of that artery & its vein.

>

> IMO, HEAVY digital pressure (>6lb pressure) on TH22 / temporal

> artery for several minutes has TWO effects:

>

> (1) To OCCLUDE blood flow in the artery for several minutes will

> reduce arterial supply to the superficial vessels in the temporal

> scalp area. Reduced local blood pressure there may reduce

> migraine, because migraine [a vasomotor headache} is said by

> some experts to relate to increased local blood pressure.

>

> (2) Pressure on GB22 is acupressure. It induces an acupuncture-

> type response, like Tuina.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <@e...>

>

> WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4,

Ireland

> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

>

> HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

> WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

>

> Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not

interrupt man doing it "

[Guest guest]

Hi Shanna. I am happy it worked for you. I do beleive we talked about SJ 22 (or

TE/TW/TH

22, I really think the english abbreviations are complicating things and usually

stick to the

chinese San Jiao SJ). But maybe we wrote GB by mistake someplace, because we

were also

discussing GB 5 or 6 or 7 in that region.

 

I have no written sources for using GB22 in that way you did. GB22 for

premenstrual

headache is maybe a new discovery Shanna. Try it out with friends and see what

you get. It

could be one of those great 'mistakes'.

 

Holger

 

<shannahickle> wrote:

> In my references, GB22 is located on the mid axillary line below the

> armpit on the ribspace (3rd? 4th? I don't have my ref here). I had a

> headache (pre-menstrual, perimenopausal) at the time I was reading

> this post and tried the location you suggested. It worked easily and

> wonderfully well!!! What tradition places GB22 (did you mean SJ22??)

> at this spot? Any books I could refer to? Thanks for on-the-spot

> relief of my suffering (and future monthly suffering)!!!

> shanna

 

> > > Phil, What do you think about this pressure point? If not just

> > > related to blood flow, what else is happening here? The place

> > > corresponds to Erheliao (SJ22) or Xuanlu and Xuanli, (GB5 and

> > > GB6), all local points for migraine. Holger

[Guest guest]

On 16 Jun 2004, at 15:54, shannahickle wrote:

 

> In my references, GB22 is located on the mid axillary line below

> the armpit on the ribspace (3rd? 4th? I don't have my ref here). I

> had a headache (pre-menstrual, perimenopausal) at the time I was

> reading this post and tried the location you suggested. It worked

> easily and wonderfully well!!! What tradition places GB22 (did you

> mean SJ22??) at this spot? Any books I could refer to? Thanks for

> on-the-spot relief of my suffering (and future monthly

> suffering)!!! shanna

 

Shanna, you are corect. Mea culpa!

 

The point that I mentioned was Erheliao (SJ22, Sanjiao 22), and

not GB22, as I mistakenly mentioned in the last line.

 

Thus,

> (2) Pressure on GB22 is acupressure. It induces an acupuncture-

> type response, like Tuina.

 

should have read:

 

> (2) Pressure on SJ22 is acupressure. It induces an acupuncture-

> type response, like Tuina.

>

Best regards,

 

Email: <

 

WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland

Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

 

HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

 

Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing

it "

[Guest guest]

Shanna:

> In my references, GB22 is located on the mid axillary line below the

> armpit on the ribspace (3rd? 4th? I don't have my ref here).

>

>

 

There is an interesting take on GB points in this region by the Nagano and

Matsumoto school.

 

It is thought that the region, or the point to be exact, GB 23, sits on the

embryonic vestige of the pectoral fish fins in the fetus, which enabled it

to

maintain balance in the murk of the amniotic fluid, certainly a darkened,

dank, watery prison, where the half-being was deprived of a breath of

fresh air, and where staying level in the lurching mother ship was a trial.

 

I have learned to work with finger pressure to abort an attack of

the xu variety, where the unease is coupled with interesting whistles sans

bells.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Holmes Keikobad,

 

Can you please explain more clearly the last part of the sentence,

 

" whistles sans bells. "

 

Do you mean the patient hears whistles and bells?

 

All the best,

 

 

Jose Torres

Los Angeles

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes

Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote:

 

> ....

 

> I have learned to work with finger pressure to abort an attack of

> the xu variety, where the unease is coupled with interesting

whistles sans

> bells.

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes Keikobad "

<acuheal@e...> wrote:

> Shanna:

> > In my references, GB22 is located on the mid axillary line below the

> > armpit on the ribspace (3rd? 4th? I don't have my ref here).

> >

> >

>

> There is an interesting take on GB points in this region

 

This is indeed an interesting take on this region. Here are three other takes

from the very

present moment.

 

1. While pressing the point GB22 I can feel my shoulder relax. Please try it and

see if it has

that effect on you to. If this would be the case it could indirectly have an

effect on

headache.

 

2. When I look at the abdomen and chest region, the torso, and imagine it as a

head with

the eyes located in the axillaries and the mouth in the umbilicus, guess where

GB22 is

located? Looks like anterior to the ears, a little bit up, at the level of the

eyes. or? Could

there be a holografic connection between the torso and the head? The subject

line for this

thread is funny, but maybe holographically correct....

 

Where could we place the torsoholographic corresponding point to SJ22? On the GB

meridian, sagiatally in relationship to GB22, maybe lateral to Lu1? or just in

the anterior

corner of the armpit?

 

3. All the points on the hand Shaoyang from GB01 to GB20 (except maybe nr 2) are

indicated for headache in the books. Is GB22 so far of? Could there be some

communiation going on between those points?

- GB22 calling GB20, over

- GB20 here, I am busy, what do you want?

- Can I be of any assistance?

- No, get of my neck.. I have a headache to take care of! Beat it!

- We're neighbours! Neighbours help each others! I wanna help.

- Don't talk about it. I do this shit all the time. Assisting GB3 and 5 and 6

and 7 and ...

- Well? You want a breake?

- OK,You're right. I really do need one. Thanks, Can you take on a temporal

headache,

probably a migrain, left side.

- I have no idea, but I'll do my best

- I think you have an advantage actually..

- What?

- You'll be a surprise, because you're not in the books for this.

 

Holger

[Guest guest]

The whistling sound of tinnitus which stops short at bells.

It's a amnner of speaking.

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

 

" Jose " <treezen_2000

Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:55 AM

Re: Pressure on superficiel temporal artery at GB22 in

migraine

 

 

> Dr. Holmes Keikobad,

>

> Can you please explain more clearly the last part of the sentence,

>

> " whistles sans bells. "

>

> Do you mean the patient hears whistles and bells?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Holger

 

Holmes wrote: Shanna: In my references, GB22 is located on the

mid axillary line below the armpit on the ribspace (3rd? 4th? I don't

have my ref here). There is an interesting take on GB points in this

region

 

Holger replied:

> This is indeed an interesting take on this region. Here are three

> other takes from the very present moment.

 

> 1. While pressing the point GB22 I can feel my shoulder relax.

> Please try it and see if it has that effect on you to. If this

> would be the case it could indirectly have an effect on headache.

 

I have tried it. On both sides, pressure on GB22 causes me to drop

the ipsilateral shoulder and move it!

 

> 2. When I look at the abdomen and chest region, the torso, and

> imagine it as a head with the eyes located in the axillaries and

> the mouth in the umbilicus, guess where GB22 is located?

 

I would say that the NIPPLES represent the eyes, and the axillae

and mid-axillary line represent the ears.

 

> Looks like anterior to the ears, a little bit up, at the level of

> the eyes. or? Could there be a holografic connection between the

> torso and the head? The subject line for this thread is funny, but

> maybe holographically correct..Where could we place the

> torsoholographic corresponding point to SJ22? On the GB meridian,

> sagiatally in relationship to GB22, maybe lateral to Lu1? or just

> in the anterior corner of the armpit?

 

GB22 is approximately in the correct position of the holograph of

SJ22 in that example!

 

> 3. All the points on the hand Shaoyang from GB01 to GB20 (except

> maybe nr 2) are indicated for headache in the books. Is GB22 so far

> of? Could there be some communiation going on between those points?

 

Holger's recording of a conversation between GB22 and GB20 ...:

 

> GB22 calling > GB20, over!

 

> GB20 here, I am busy, what do you want?

 

> GB22: Can I be of any assistance?

 

> GB20: No, get of my neck.. I have a headache to take care of! Beat

> it!

 

> GB22: We're neighbours! Neighbours help each others! I wanna help.

>

 

> GB20: Don't talk about it. I do this shit all the time. Assisting

> > GB3 and 5 and 6 and 7 and ...

 

> GB22: Well? You want a break?

 

> GB20: OK,You're right. I really do need a break. Thanks, Can you

> take on a temporal headache, probably a migrain, left side.

 

> GB22: I have no idea, but I'll do my best

 

> GB20: I think you have an advantage actually..

 

> GB22: What?

 

> GB20: You'll be a surprise, because you're not in the books for >

this.

 

Great stuff, Holger!

 

Would you like to construct a similar conversation between GV25

(tip of nose) and CV01 (near the clitoris/base of penis) re mutual

cooperation between those points in nose and clitoral/vulvar/penis

provlems via the Chongmai?