Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 , Musiclear@a... wrote: > It is hard for me to imagine why a Government official thinks he knows > better than me what I should have access to. Protect the people from themselves > at the cost of the lives of others who would be helped. Some people think they should be able to have access to, because they think their lives will be better with, cocaine or heroin. You cannot have it both ways. Once the door is open to regulate substances and deny substances to the public, it cannot be shut. Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Our Government is once again deciding what supplements we can choose from. Notice the headline states steroid Precursors. That is 55 substances that turn into steroids, not all steroids themselves. One positive outcome is that DHEA is not included in the ban. I am convinced the only reason DHEA is excluded is because they know Life Extension Foundation would fight them and win. Law suits do work. It is hard for me to imagine why a Government official thinks he knows better than me what I should have access to. Protect the people from themselves at the cost of the lives of others who would be helped. Stupidity abounds. Chris Original article: http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/88/99815.htm 'Andro' May Require a Doctor's Prescription By Todd Zwillich WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD on Thursday, June 03, 2004 June 3, 2004 (Washington) -- House lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Thursday to classify the dietary supplement androstenedione and dozens of other anabolic steroid building blocks as controlled substances. It would restrict the use of androstenedione -- known widely as " andro " -- to patients who obtain a doctor's prescription. The move would allow the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to regulate these types of products as an anabolic steroid under the Controlled Substances Act. The bill also stiffens federal fines and jail times for anyone who distributes or possesses steroids within 1,000 feet of a gym or other athletic facility. Androstenedione is a precursor to the male hormone testosterone, which requires a doctor's prescription. Andro made headlines in 1998 when it was revealed that homerun champ Mark McGwire of the St. Louis Cardinals used it as part of his training and strength-building regimen. But researchers have cautioned against the use of the popular supplement. It also causes a host of health problems, including damage to reproductive organs in men and masculinizing effects in women. " We do not want these harmful substances around our gyms, baseball stadiums, football fields or our running tracks. We do not want our athletes to risk their health to win, " says Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and the bill's chief sponsor. The Senate has yet to act on the legislation, and until it does, andro and many other steroid precursors will remain technically legal. The FDA cracked down on 23 known andro manufacturers in March, warning them to stop distributing the chemical or face enforcement actions. Officials said at the time that they were worried by 2002 federal data showing that one in 40 high school seniors had used andro within the last month. DHEA Exempt The bill designates more than 55 specific steroid precursors for reclassification as controlled substances. A drug is classified as a controlled substance based upon the substance's medicinal value, harmfulness, and potential for abuse or addiction. But the bill leaves out DHEA, a popular dietary supplement that some athletes take to enhance performance or promote growth. DHEA is also a steroid precursor. That prompted criticism from some lawmakers, who maintained that it should be included in the bill. DHEA is banned by both the NCAA and the World Anti-Doping Agency. " By specifically exempting DHEA, we are sending a signal to the American public that DHEA is safe. This would be the wrong message, " says Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), who supported the bill. Three lawmakers, including Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), voted against the measure. " I've always said the federal government taxes and regulates too much, and this falls in to the 'regulates' part, " Flake tells WebMD. SOURCES: Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis. Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif. Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. © 2004 WebMD Inc. All rights reserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 In a message dated 6/9/2004 1:48:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bcaom writes: , Musiclear@a... wrote: > It is hard for me to imagine why a Government official thinks he knows > better than me what I should have access to. Protect the people from themselves > at the cost of the lives of others who would be helped. Some people think they should be able to have access to, because they think their lives will be better with, cocaine or heroin. You cannot have it both ways. Once the door is open to regulate substances and deny substances to the public, it cannot be shut. Brian C. Allen The major difference in your comparison is that denying public access to nutritional supplements not only hurts some peoples health, it also helps the drug companies domination in health care and ultimately increases their profits. Cocaine and heroin do not financially benefit anyone but the illicit drug pushers. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Musiclear wrote: Stupidity abounds. Yes and unrestrained greed too. Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Hi Mystir! Which Traditional Chinese herbs are involved? Looks to me that this is mostly western meds, but I don't know every herb. At 07:15 PM 6/9/2004, you wrote: >Musiclear wrote: Stupidity abounds. > >Yes and unrestrained greed too. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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