Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 I am a second year student of in Israel and would like to write a paper concerning the onset of scoliosis among adolescent females, but am having difficulty finding research material and treatment techniques used to treat this illness. Any help offered, to point me in the right direction, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Joyce S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 I am a 3rd year student in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. I have just recently joined this group and have enjoyed reading your posts. In response to Joyce's post on scoliosis among adolescent females: My 18 year old daughter has scoliosis that I believe was aggravated by her carrying heavy backpacks to, from and around school. Her spine is curved and also torked. I have managed to get most of the curve out using mainly Japanese needling techniques, but I haven't been able to get the tork out. The right side ribcage is actually raised when she is laying down. Her muscles on the right side actually seem as if they are grabbing the process of her spine. We have done chiropractic, massage, and cranial sacral work without much success. Yoga, exercise and acupuncture and tuina have given her the most relief. Sadly, most of the relief is temporary. I would appreciate any suggestions on how to help her with the rest of her back. I have tried to research this topic also, but have not found much info. Lee joyceschwartz56 [joyces] Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:22 PM To: Adolescent Scoliosis I am a second year student of in Israel and would like to write a paper concerning the onset of scoliosis among adolescent females, but am having difficulty finding research material and treatment techniques used to treat this illness. Any help offered, to point me in the right direction, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Joyce S. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Dear Lee, I wanter to relate to you that our Chinese doctor who uses Qigong and very vigorous (i.e., it can be quite painful where there is lots of stagnation) tuina treatments has sucessfully treated friends of outs who have had very severe Scoliosis. It does take time but improvement is visibly noticeable with each successive treatment. Each tuina doctor uses different protocols (our doctor was family trained in Northern China) and each patient is quite different. However, I did want to let you know that there has been successes that I personally know of in this area using Tuina. I hope this helps a bit and I am hoping the best for your daughter. Warm regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Hi Rich and Lee, Same here in San Francisco with Dr. Ping Qi Kang. His tuina training came from family lineage before he entered medical school in Shanghai. Here in S.F., he's had significant success with various back discontinuities in young adults. As indicated by Rich, it's a vigorous experience. As Dr. Kang is known to say, " Pain now ... or pain later. Later more pain ... now less pain. " That's how he gets patients to accept the vigorous tuina treatments. This is especially true with joint injuries where WM will wait for significant healing to take place before applying physical therapy. In Dr. Kang's view, earlier treatment with tuina during the healing process may be quite painful but will involve less time and will ultimately involve less pain. Respectfully, Emmanuel Segmen Dear Lee, I wanter to relate to you that our Chinese doctor who uses Qigong and very vigorous (i.e., it can be quite painful where there is lots of stagnation) tuina treatments has sucessfully treated friends of outs who have had very severe Scoliosis. It does take time but improvement is visibly noticeable with each successive treatment. Each tuina doctor uses different protocols (our doctor was family trained in Northern China) and each patient is quite different. However, I did want to let you know that there has been successes that I personally know of in this area using Tuina. I hope this helps a bit and I am hoping the best for your daughter. Warm regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Emmanuel and Lee, Yes, this sounds very similar to my doctor's approach. The pain is result of some stagnation in the body at some level. If the stagnation is too be removed, then the body will necessarily experience some pain. My guess is that less " pressure " is required if a patient goes every day because the stagnation does not have a chance to " re-organize " itself - much as a stuck drain will again begin to accumulate junk if the blockage is not removed. However, since most patients will only be able to go once or twice a week, more vigorous effort is reqqired. Also, I think from a cultural perspective, Chinese are more than willing to accept the pain for a short period of time in order to get back to " business " quickly. Very pragmatic in this regard. :-) Regards, Rich Chinese Medicine , " Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen@i...> wrote: > Hi Rich and Lee, > > Same here in San Francisco with Dr. Ping Qi Kang. His tuina training came from family lineage before he entered medical school in Shanghai. Here in S.F., he's had significant success with various back discontinuities in young adults. As indicated by Rich, it's a vigorous experience. As Dr. Kang is known to say, " Pain now ... or pain later. Later more pain ... now less pain. " That's how he gets patients to accept the vigorous tuina treatments. This is especially true with joint injuries where WM will wait for significant healing to take place before applying physical therapy. In Dr. Kang's view, earlier treatment with tuina during the healing process may be quite painful but will involve less time and will ultimately involve less pain. > > Respectfully, > Emmanuel Segmen > > > > Dear Lee, > > I wanter to relate to you that our Chinese doctor who uses Qigong and > very vigorous (i.e., it can be quite painful where there is lots of > stagnation) tuina treatments has sucessfully treated friends of outs > who have had very severe Scoliosis. It does take time but improvement > is visibly noticeable with each successive treatment. > > Each tuina doctor uses different protocols (our doctor was family > trained in Northern China) and each patient is quite different. > However, I did want to let you know that there has been successes that > I personally know of in this area using Tuina. > > I hope this helps a bit and I am hoping the best for your daughter. > > Warm regards, > Rich > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Joyceschwartz56: > I am a second year student of in Israel and would > like to write a paper concerning the onset of scoliosis among > adolescent females, but am having difficulty finding research > material and treatment techniques used to treat this illness. Any > help offered, to point me in the right direction, would be greatly > appreciated. > > Look at scoliosis as a symmetry disorder, rather than a systemic one from 5 Element imbalance. Scoliosis really means one segment of T and L vertebrae is bulged to one side. As an example take the slight lateral scoliosis in T 3, 4, 5 and 6, which precipitates respiratory, cardiovascular, lymphatic and venous problems: [asthma, bronchitis, palpitation, venous engorgement in lower Warmer etc]. To diagnose and treat these as separate disorders will exhaust you and the patient. To treat the asymmetry at one go would take care of all the problems and the scoliosis. How is this diagnosed? By palpating remote trigger points. How treated? By another set of remote points which release the reflexes. Why would adolescent females get to have scoliosis? I have worked with post-holocaust women and regularly found spinal asymmetry in them. It stands to reason that the children born of them, who had defective qi, would carry some aspects of the deficiency. If this interests you, write, and I will provide more stuff. I might have something written up somewhere on this. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Lee: > We have done chiropractic, massage, and cranial sacral work > without much success. Yoga, exercise and acupuncture and tuina have given > her the most relief. Sadly, most of the relief is temporary > > The problem is not in the spine, but somewhere else. Probable locations are: a. pelvic bone and it's conjunction to sacrum b. the Dai as it sits on GB 26, I will bet unilaterally c. at the shoulders if one is higher than the other d. at the Atlas C 1 as it articulates with the skull e. in the sphenoid as it articulates with occipitals, temporals, frontals f. in an unequal sternomastoid which pulls the skull one side. Don't lose heart, if the imbalance is found the asymmetry may pop into place, sometimes in the first session. OK? Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - " Lee Tritt " <leetritt <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:06 AM RE: Adolescent Scoliosis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Dr Holmes C- if one shoulder is higher than the other....what do you mean by that? On the other hand, has someone looked at posture and contact (soles to earth) with the ground? In my experience that is many times the cause of a lot of pain. If you have faulty contact beneath, you´ll get hell above. Becuse deviation (called " peripheral compensation " or something like that in swedish) is the cause of all evil upwards. The body just tries to adjust to living in vacuum. Janne Chinese Medicine , " homi kaikobad " <aryaone@e...> wrote: > Lee: > > We have done chiropractic, massage, and cranial sacral work > > without much success. Yoga, exercise and acupuncture and tuina have given > > her the most relief. Sadly, most of the relief is temporary > > > > > > The problem is not in the spine, but somewhere else. > > Probable locations are: > a. pelvic bone and it's conjunction to sacrum > b. the Dai as it sits on GB 26, I will bet unilaterally > c. at the shoulders if one is higher than the other > d. at the Atlas C 1 as it articulates with the skull > e. in the sphenoid as it articulates with occipitals, temporals, frontals > f. in an unequal sternomastoid which pulls the skull one side. > > Don't lose heart, if the imbalance is found the asymmetry may pop into > place, > sometimes in the first session. > > OK? > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. > - > " Lee Tritt " <leetritt@c...> > <Chinese Medicine > > Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:06 AM > RE: Adolescent Scoliosis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 A pain-for-pain trade off? Healing must have a non-pain version. Healing is falling into place, re-normalizing, which to begin with was pain free. It is, notwithstanding it's therapeuticity, much like the mutilating rituals of WM. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Look at the person with shoulders bare from behind some 6 ft away. If one shoulder is higher it will be easily seen. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - " jantornberg04 " <juantorremontana <Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:08 PM Re: Adolescent Scoliosis Dr Holmes C- if one shoulder is higher than the other....what do you mean by that? On the other hand, has someone looked at posture and contact (soles to earth) with the ground? In my experience that is many times the cause of a lot of pain. If you have faulty contact beneath, you´ll get hell above. Becuse deviation (called " peripheral compensation " or something like that in swedish) is the cause of all evil upwards. The body just tries to adjust to living in vacuum. Janne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 What about 7 feet? Or one leg? You know that wasn´t the question. Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote: > Look at the person with shoulders bare from behind some 6 ft away. > If one shoulder is higher it will be easily seen. > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Sui desiste. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - " jantornberg04 " <juantorremontana <Chinese Medicine > Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:25 AM Re: Adolescent Scoliosis What about 7 feet? Or one leg? You know that wasn´t the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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