Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Thanks Anne! Great! 2004-05-30 kl. 00.44 skrev ajeffres: > P. 55 of the Wu/Wu translation of the Nei Jing states does not use the > term > " mai " - either jing luo or xue mai for the lungs. The literal > translation is > closer to " the lung assists in spreading to the organs, governs > divisions > outward & within. " (xiang 1 chuan 2 zhi1 guan1, zhi4 jie3 chu1 yan1). > I'm sure > someone could do a better translation of it. > > In Su Wen 23, it specifically states that the Heart controls / masters > the > vessels (xin1 zhu3 mai4). > > -Anne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Has anyone mentioned that Lu 9 is the 'control' point of the vessels? Also from biomed information, angiotensin 1 is converted to angiotensin 2 in the lungs. Angiotensin 2 increases the tone of blood vessels. (hence ACE inhibitors for high blood pressure) -roseanne s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Dr.H.Peter: The Lung has five principal functions: .. governing qi and controlling respiration. .. controlling disseminating and descending. .. regulating the water passages. .. controlling the skin and body hair. .. opening into the nose. > > Also that LU holds the this-lifetime soul, and opens into the Gate of Po at the anus. It also controls the Wei layer and protects from the vagaries of nature and ill winds. The lymphatics congregate at the ileo-cecal junction, and in the neck at TW 17. The Nan Ching therefore says that the LU reflex can be felt at the R of the navel [and LV at the L]. Master Nagano as quoted by Matsumoto says the TW 17 area registers tenderness if the immune system is compromised. If it does, then the points LI 11 and 10 release it and bring about a sound immune body level. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - " " <medoriental <Chinese Medicine > Monday, May 31, 2004 12:12 AM Res: Lungs - Vessels? The Lung channel of hand taiyin is interiorly-exteriorly coupled with the Large Intestine channel, and paired with the Spleen channel according to six channel theory. The Lung-Large Intestine relationship is further strengthened by the fact that: .. the interior pathway of the Lung primary channel descends to the Large Intestine fu. .. a branch of the Lung primary channel separates from Lieque LU-7 to connect with Shangyang L.I.-1. .. the Lung luo-connecting channel connects with the Large Intestine channel. .. the Lung divergent channel descends to the Large Intestine fu and connects with the Large Intestine channel in the neck. In addition, it is helpful to note that: .. the Lung primary channel originates in the middle jiao in the region of the Stomach. .. the Lung primary and divergent channels ascend to the throat. .. the Lung channel does not connect directly with the nose, but does so indirectly via the Large Intestine channel. It is by virtue of these functions, as well as the channel pathways discussed above, that many of the actions and indications of the points of the Lung channel can be explained. These can be summarised as: .. treating rebellion of Lung qi manifesting as respiratory disorders such as coughing, dyspnoea, wheezing, asthma and shortness of breath. .. restoring the Lung's disseminating function when this is impaired by exterior pathogenic factors which lodge in the superficial portion of the body. .. treating nasal disorders, including nosebleed and nasal obstruction. .. treating disorders of the throat such as dryness, soreness, congestion, swelling and pain. .. treating oedema and obstructed urination when this is caused by impairment of the Lung's function of regulating the water passages and controlling disseminating and descending. .. treating vomiting due to rebellion of Stomach qi. H.Peter Centro de Medicina Oriental Acupunctura,Laserterapia,Shiatsu, Drenagem Linfatica,El-Terapia. Dr.H.Peter Nussbaumer 351 269 827272 +351 967 044284 medoriental Santiago do Cacém / Portugal -------Mensagem original------- De: Chinese Medicine Data: 05/30/04 00:03:12 Para: Chinese Medicine Assunto: Lungs - Vessels? Thanks Anne! Great! 2004-05-30 kl. 00.44 skrev ajeffres: > P. 55 of the Wu/Wu translation of the Nei Jing states does not use the > term > " mai " - either jing luo or xue mai for the lungs. The literal > translation is > closer to " the lung assists in spreading to the organs, governs > divisions > outward & within. " (xiang 1 chuan 2 zhi1 guan1, zhi4 jie3 chu1 yan1). > I'm sure > someone could do a better translation of it. > > In Su Wen 23, it specifically states that the Heart controls / masters > the > vessels (xin1 zhu3 mai4). > > -Anne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 LU 9 tones Metal, if that's what you mean. Rest sounds biochemical to me and therefore alien. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - <ra6151 <Chinese Medicine > Monday, May 31, 2004 3:18 AM Re: Lungs - Vessels? > Has anyone mentioned that Lu 9 is the 'control' point of the vessels? Also > from biomed information, angiotensin 1 is converted to angiotensin 2 in the > lungs. Angiotensin 2 increases the tone of blood vessels. (hence ACE inhibitors > for high blood pressure) > -roseanne s. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 In a message dated 5/31/04 11:26:08 AM, aryaone writes: << LU 9 tones Metal, if that's what you mean. >> no, I don't mean that. I mean that LU 9 is the hui-meeting point of vessels, and is " indicated for disorders of the blood vessels in general " . (quote from Deadman) -rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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