Slept with Ren 4 stabbing me in my stomach

[Guest guest]

I would like to offer you a simple and less fear loaded

solution to you problem!

Use REN mai and DU mai 8 extraordinary vessel points ( Lu7 kid6)(si3

bl62) opening point on the right for women coupled point on the left,

opposite for men)this will help balance the deeper imbalance caused

and restore the leaking Qi?

this is why I often advise patient with belly button jewelry to

remove them if they have lack of energy/tiredness since the rings etc

is causing a qi leakage from the ren channel, Simple logic see!

Giovanni Maciocia uses Extra meridian points quite often as stated

in many of his books.

Acupuncture works much better if the practioner if confident and can

believe in themself if we allow fear to overtake us then we become

lost!!! a healer may not beable to treat themselves but what if your

on your own away from help do you just die I think not! you act

approriatly

Love light and Magic

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

 

I'm feel a bit self-conscious about how much room I'm taking on the

board in the past 24 hours....I sure do appreciate all this help. I

think your idea is a good one--I remember reading about this

treatment in a Macciocia book. I also am a big fan of extraordinary

vessels. You know what is amazing to me? I have been able to

successfully help by far the majority of patients that I've

seen....and yet this thread has shown me just how much there is for

me to learn (which I already knew, but this has really emphasized

it). Once again, I am absolutely astounded by TCM. I did a

treatment tonight combining many of the ideas that people have talked

about here, and I already feel better. I feel sorry for all the

people out there who are not benefiting from this wonderful, amazing,

fascinating medicine.

 

Now that I think about it, I have not yet really focused on treating

this problem consistently with acupuncture, partly because I've

lacked the discipline to treat myself consistently, and partly

because I focused on herbs because this was an organ level problem so

I thought herbs would be better. I am now convinced that acupuncture

is a much better way to go. I feel so priviledged to be practising

this beautiful art form.

 

Laura

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " chrisbinning "

<chris@p...> wrote:

> I would like to offer you a simple and less fear loaded

> solution to you problem!

> Use REN mai and DU mai 8 extraordinary vessel points ( Lu7 kid6)

(si3

> bl62) opening point on the right for women coupled point on the

left,

> opposite for men)this will help balance the deeper imbalance caused

> and restore the leaking Qi?

> this is why I often advise patient with belly button jewelry to

> remove them if they have lack of energy/tiredness since the rings

etc

> is causing a qi leakage from the ren channel, Simple logic see!

> Giovanni Maciocia uses Extra meridian points quite often as stated

> in many of his books.

> Acupuncture works much better if the practioner if confident and

can

> believe in themself if we allow fear to overtake us then we become

> lost!!! a healer may not beable to treat themselves but what if

your

> on your own away from help do you just die I think not! you act

> approriatly

> Love light and Magic

> Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/29/04 11:27:43 AM, aryaone writes:

 

<< If heylaureg will pardon my weird humor, my trade is words and how they

 

sound:

 

 

What if Ren 4 was a person who did ill?

 

 

In which case Renne Foure the dastardly done the deed and did

 

stabbe the she who loved him to pieces when she slept, and he then

 

ran off to 'Zuela.

 

 

In which case she sez she does that " She slept with Renne Foure stabbing me

 

in

 

the stomach. " >>

------------------------

Perhaps sending post such as these to the individual person would be a better

choice than sending them to the whole group.

-----rs

[Guest guest]

heylaurag:

Once again, I am absolutely astounded by TCM. I did a

treatment tonight combining many of the ideas that people have talked

about here, and I already feel better.

>

>

A word more on the situation.

 

No one reads more into a situation than a sick healer.

And, at some stage too many ideas lead to a TCM Valhalla.

 

There is something impersonal in offering advice by proxy, one wonders if

people feel genuinely, or are just sounding off about how much they know,

gee, they don't have a messed up Ren 4.

 

Take care of the Ren 4 then. It;s the only one you have.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

If heylaureg will pardon my weird humor, my trade is words and how they

sound:

 

What if Ren 4 was a person who did ill?

 

In which case Renne Foure the dastardly done the deed and did

stabbe the she who loved him to pieces when she slept, and he then

ran off to 'Zuela.

 

In which case she sez she does that " She slept with Renne Foure stabbing me

in

the stomach. "

 

O Fie!

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

A better choise?

I bet her choise

to sleep with Renne Four

stabbing her in the stomach

was a mistake

 

What I wonder is how is this possible?

To sleep while being stabbed in the stomach?

 

Holger

 

 

ra6151:

> ------------------------

> Perhaps sending post such as these to the individual person would be a

> better

> choice than sending them to the whole group.

> -----rs

[Guest guest]

Hi Holmes,

 

I have no doubt those are very interesting and poignant words...or

perhaps humorous....but since I don't know who Renne Foure is I can't

appreciate them. I did a search on the name and all that came up was

French.

 

But I like your sentiment, " Take care of your Ren 4, its the only Ren

4 you have " . That's one of the things that horrified me about this

whole situation. Of all the points I could have traumatized, Ren 4

would have been on my list of top 5 worst choices for sure. The

worst part of it is that I cannot use that splendid point on myself

anymore, and it used to be one of my favorites. Maybe if I am kind

to it overtime it will come back to me.....sniff, sniff....

 

Laura

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " homi kaikobad "

<aryaone@e...> wrote:

> If heylaureg will pardon my weird humor, my trade is words and how

they

> sound:

>

> What if Ren 4 was a person who did ill?

>

> In which case Renne Foure the dastardly done the deed and did

> stabbe the she who loved him to pieces when she slept, and he then

> ran off to 'Zuela.

>

> In which case she sez she does that " She slept with Renne Foure

stabbing me

> in

> the stomach. "

>

> O Fie!

>

> Dr. Holmes Keikobad

> MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

> www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

> NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

Yes, now that is the question, isn't it? Here I am, an

insomniac....I wear earplugs everynight because the slightest noise

is prone to waking me.....and yet I slept a full 8 hours utterly

undisturbed by a needle grinding into my stomach, because that's just

how well that point worked to put me to sleep. Now if that isn't a

testament to the power of acupuncture I don't know what is...

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Holger Wendt

<holger.wendt@t...> wrote:

> A better choise?

> I bet her choise

> to sleep with Renne Four

> stabbing her in the stomach

> was a mistake

>

> What I wonder is how is this possible?

> To sleep while being stabbed in the stomach?

>

> Holger

>

>

> ra6151@a...:

> > ------------------------

> > Perhaps sending post such as these to the individual person would

be a

> > better

> > choice than sending them to the whole group.

> > -----rs

[Guest guest]

Not some fun time?

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

Holger:

> A better choise?

> I bet her choise

> to sleep with Renne Four

> stabbing her in the stomach

> was a mistake

>

>

Everyone told her to not do it but she would not listen, said she is in

love,

as though that took care of the logic and the eventualitis.

 

Sadly badly this was done.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura!

 

Several days ago I asked you how long ago this happened. Either you missed

the question or I missed the answer.

 

At 03:59 PM 5/29/2004, you wrote:

>Yes, now that is the question, isn't it? Here I am, an

>insomniac....I wear earplugs everynight because the slightest noise

>is prone to waking me.....and yet I slept a full 8 hours utterly

>undisturbed by a needle grinding into my stomach, because that's just

>how well that point worked to put me to sleep. Now if that isn't a

>testament to the power of acupuncture I don't know what is...

>

>Laura

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Pete,

 

I am almost embarrassed to say....it happened 2 years ago. It has

seemed like it was resolving off and on throughout those two years

though, but then it would come back. I am feeling really hopeful

about utilizing some of the ideas that I've been given here. I did a

treatment last night and it really helped. I wish that I had

resolved to use acupuncture instead of herbs to treat this long ago.

There have been problems that I have found herbs to be wonderfully

useful for, both in myself and in patients, but time and time again I

find that acupuncture is often preferable over herbs. I think this

is one of those times. I will definitely post about my results when

the time comes. I have felt so grateful and fortunate to be given so

much help here. My future patients will benefit...

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen

<petet@a...> wrote:

> Hi Laura!

>

> Several days ago I asked you how long ago this happened. Either you

missed

> the question or I missed the answer.

>

> At 03:59 PM 5/29/2004, you wrote:

> >Yes, now that is the question, isn't it? Here I am, an

> >insomniac....I wear earplugs everynight because the slightest noise

> >is prone to waking me.....and yet I slept a full 8 hours utterly

> >undisturbed by a needle grinding into my stomach, because that's

just

> >how well that point worked to put me to sleep. Now if that isn't a

> >testament to the power of acupuncture I don't know what is...

> >

> >Laura

>

> Regards,

>

> Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura!

 

Hmm, dang . . . Well, have you taken the TCM medicinal meal course?

 

At 02:06 AM 5/30/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Pete,

>

>I am almost embarrassed to say....it happened 2 years ago.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Not having followed all the details on this one, has anyone asked how it's

possible from Ren-4, text-book location, to thread to the stomach organ?

(or was it meant just to the St channel?)

[Guest guest]

I believe she meant the colloquial " stomach " she slept on, supine.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

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<Chinese Medicine >

Monday, May 31, 2004 2:30 AM

Re: Re: Slept with Ren 4 stabbing me in my stomach

 

 

> Not having followed all the details on this one, has anyone asked how it's

> possible from Ren-4, text-book location, to thread to the stomach organ?

> (or was it meant just to the St channel?)

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris!

 

" Stomach " in this colloquial context is the whole front of the body. Like

" I was lying on my stomach " .

 

At 05:30 AM 5/31/2004, you wrote:

>Not having followed all the details on this one, has anyone asked how it's

>possible from Ren-4, text-book location, to thread to the stomach organ?

>(or was it meant just to the St channel?)

 

Regards,

 

Pete