Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 However du huo ji sheng wan still has seven herbs that dispel wind damp (du huo, ji sheng, du zhong, xi xin , fang feng, niu xi and qin jiao) In Bensky & Barolet's Formulas, Du Huo Ji Sheng Tang is listed as containing Achyranthes (Huai Niu Xi), yet in the explanation section of the formula (and as Todd mentioned, above) the herb is said to expel wind-dampness. Though I have heard this action attributed to Chuan Niu Xi (Cyathula), I have not heard this of Huai Niu Xi. It is also not in Bensky & Gamble's Materia Medica. Does it or doesn't it? Chuan Niu Xi seems like a better choice. ============================== Peter L. Borten, L.Ac. 4004 SW Kelly Avenue, Ste 201 Portland, Oregon 97201 503.522.2613 http://www.whiteflowerhealing.com/ ============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 RE: Chuan Niu Xi vs Huai Niu Xi Peter, in Bensky & Gambles rev ed. 1993 edition P. 285 Chuan Niu Xi is in the addendum. In my estimation you are correct in that Chuan Niu Xi is a better choice to remove wind dampness. Chuan Niu xi comes from Sichuan Province and promotes the flow of Blood and Qi, is good at facilitating the joints. It can relieve dysuria by inducing diuresis. Huai Niu xi is produced in Huaizhou and is good at relaxing the tendons and strengthening bones, tonifying liver and kidneys Yin. Holmes " Jade Remedies " lists it as a draining diuretic for stones and in Bensky for damp heat in the lower back and knee pain. For Hypertension, I would use Huai Niu xi and especially for damp heat in the lower limb as in Si Miao Wan. But, I would like to hear more from out there because where I live in a damp rainforest environment this is an especially useful herb at this time of year. > " Peter Borten " <innergate > > >Re: Digest Number 494 >Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:04:51 -0800 > > >However du huo ji sheng wan still has seven herbs that dispel wind damp >(du huo, ji sheng, du zhong, xi xin , fang feng, niu xi and qin jiao) > >In Bensky & Barolet's Formulas, Du Huo Ji Sheng Tang is listed as >containing >Achyranthes (Huai Niu Xi), yet in the explanation section of the formula >(and as Todd mentioned, above) the herb is said to expel wind-dampness. >Though I have heard this action attributed to Chuan Niu Xi (Cyathula), I >have not heard this of Huai Niu Xi. It is also not in Bensky & Gamble's >Materia Medica. >Does it or doesn't it? >Chuan Niu Xi seems like a better choice. > >============================== >Peter L. Borten, L.Ac. >4004 SW Kelly Avenue, Ste 201 >Portland, Oregon 97201 >503.522.2613 >http://www.whiteflowerhealing.com/ >============================== > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 For Hypertension, I would use Huai Niu xi and especially for damp heat in the lower limb as in Si Miao Wan >>>Don't forget Huai niu xi properties of descending and pulling downward Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Yes, Chuan Niu Xi descends as well and pulls blood downward as in Xue fu zhu yu tang. It would seem to have a kind of polarity action when working with the other upper body herbs ie Tao ren/Hong hua, Dang Gui, especially Chai hu ascending nature. ><alonmarcus > > >Re: Digest Number 494 >Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:03:02 -0800 > >For Hypertension, I would use Huai Niu xi and >especially for damp heat in the lower limb as in Si Miao Wan > >>>Don't forget Huai niu xi properties of descending and pulling downward >Alon _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 Yes, Chuan Niu Xi descends as well and pulls blood downward as in Xue fu zhu yu tang. It would seem to have a kind of polarity action when working with the other upper body herbs ie Tao ren/Hong hua, Dang Gui, especially Chai hu ascending nature.>>>>>>>>>I thought Huai niu xi had much more of pulling down blood qualities were Chuan was more vitalizing. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 To Alon I understand Chuan niu xi to be more vitalizing as well. But , I guess I would question Chuan Niu Xi as being able to pull down at lest somewhat in Xue Fu Zhu Yu Tang, albeit in this formula I would guess mostly as a counter balance and certainly less than Huai. However, if I need to relieve Yang rising/hypertension as in Zhen Gan Xi Feng Tang, I would use Huai Niu Xi. Rod >Yes, Chuan Niu Xi descends as well and pulls blood downward as in Xue fu >zhu yu tang. It would seem to have a kind of polarity action when working. > >>>>>>>>>I thought Huai niu xi had much more of pulling down blood >qualities were Chuan was more vitalizing. >Alon _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 I'm with you on this one! In my experience, those who profess to be humble are usually the least humble! Susie Message: 24 Fri, 28 May 2004 09:23:36 -0700 " Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal Re: the ~~ LAST ~~ ceremonies are now being prepared . . . [spoof. Don't take this seriously.] Humble. I humbly suggest etc. What if I cannot manage humble? Must I stumble about looking for that finer sense of submission when I am unclear as to my mission, or missive, or missal, or misstep, or instep? I have alas never come near to anything like humble, in which case if I have to say anything on the forum which requires humility, I will have to desist rather than persist. Is there a point on the body for invoking humble? Maybe one on the Chong which is named the Gate to Perfidious Ignominy? To get the best qi, needle this on your spouse, or lover, one or the other, for the same is rarely found in one carcass. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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