Problem after needling at CV04 - have WM check also!

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Hi Laura,

 

> ... my traumatic injury from sleeping on Ren 4. I wrote a thread

> about it, you might have seen it. I have had trouble figuring out

> how to treat stagnation on this channel because it is so different

> from other channels. If I needle into the area or anywhere near it

> I get worse everytime (which is generally true for me--local

> needling always makes pain worse on me). The only treatment that

> I've found that helps is: Ren 6, LI 4, Liv 3. So any ideas would

> be greatly appreciated!! Laura

 

Laura, if there is a possibility that the needle penetrated your BL or

intestine, you should see a WM doc for his/her opinion. Possible

PID (pelvic inflammatory disease) or peritonitis of abdomen~low is

not a pleasant scenario, esp in a female of reproductive age.

 

As well as any prescribed WM Tx, you could also treat with AP at

points for BL, intestine, or PID, whichever is the problem.

 

If WM medical complications are ruled out, you could consider also:

 

1. One " Law " (principle) of how to select effective AP Pts is:

" For problems at one end of a Channel, treat a point on the

opposite end of that Channel " .

 

Examples are:

 

BL67 or GB44, or ST45 for problems near BL01, or GB01, or ST01

 

GV20, or 26, or 28 for problems near GV01

 

By this principle, and on the principle of the mirror hinged across

the horizontal midline of the body, CV21 could be used as a Mirror

Point on the opposite end of CV from CV04

 

2. Another " Law " of how to select effective AP Pts is:

" For problems at the front/Yin side, treat the back/Yang side " . By

this " Law " , Pts GV04 or BL23 could be useful for pain/problem at

CV04.

 

3. Another " Law " of how to select effective AP Pts is:

" For Organ Problems, combine the Shu + Mu Pts; Shu and Mu

points work together " . By this " Law " , BL27 (Shu Pt of SI) is the

match for CV04 (Mu Pt of SI). BL31, inside BL27, is an alternative.

 

4. For abdomen~low problems, consider SP06. As abdomen~low

is Yin, Pts on the other Foot Yin Channels also help, such as

LV03/LV08 or KI03/KI07.

 

Good Luck,

Phil

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[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

 

Wow, those are some really excellent ideas. I am aware of all those

concepts, but have not become fully versed in some of them yet, and

to have them outlined so clearly is really, really helpful. By the

way, I did tell my MD about this and she did not think that it was a

problem. Then again, I've never thought she was the best doctor in

the world. Its been 1 1/2 years since this happened (my how time

flys)---so she thought that if there was a problem it would have

shown up by now. Her attitude was that my IC had come back on its

own, not from the needle. Do you think that I should get another

opinion?

 

Thanks!

 

Laura

 

 

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<@e...> wrote:

> Hi Laura,

>

> > ... my traumatic injury from sleeping on Ren 4. I wrote a thread

> > about it, you might have seen it. I have had trouble figuring out

> > how to treat stagnation on this channel because it is so different

> > from other channels. If I needle into the area or anywhere near

it

> > I get worse everytime (which is generally true for me--local

> > needling always makes pain worse on me). The only treatment that

> > I've found that helps is: Ren 6, LI 4, Liv 3. So any ideas would

> > be greatly appreciated!! Laura

>

> Laura, if there is a possibility that the needle penetrated your BL

or

> intestine, you should see a WM doc for his/her opinion. Possible

> PID (pelvic inflammatory disease) or peritonitis of abdomen~low is

> not a pleasant scenario, esp in a female of reproductive age.

>

> As well as any prescribed WM Tx, you could also treat with AP at

> points for BL, intestine, or PID, whichever is the problem.

>

> If WM medical complications are ruled out, you could consider also:

>

> 1. One " Law " (principle) of how to select effective AP Pts is:

> " For problems at one end of a Channel, treat a point on the

> opposite end of that Channel " .

>

> Examples are:

>

> BL67 or GB44, or ST45 for problems near BL01, or GB01, or ST01

>

> GV20, or 26, or 28 for problems near GV01

>

> By this principle, and on the principle of the mirror hinged across

> the horizontal midline of the body, CV21 could be used as a Mirror

> Point on the opposite end of CV from CV04

>

> 2. Another " Law " of how to select effective AP Pts is:

> " For problems at the front/Yin side, treat the back/Yang side " . By

> this " Law " , Pts GV04 or BL23 could be useful for pain/problem at

> CV04.

>

> 3. Another " Law " of how to select effective AP Pts is:

> " For Organ Problems, combine the Shu + Mu Pts; Shu and Mu

> points work together " . By this " Law " , BL27 (Shu Pt of SI) is the

> match for CV04 (Mu Pt of SI). BL31, inside BL27, is an alternative.

>

> 4. For abdomen~low problems, consider SP06. As abdomen~low

> is Yin, Pts on the other Foot Yin Channels also help, such as

> LV03/LV08 or KI03/KI07.

>

> Good Luck,

> Phil

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <@e...>

>

> WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4,

Ireland

> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

>

> HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

> WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

>

> Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not

interrupt man doing it "