Herbalists Approach vs. Channel Approach

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I just want to toss in my

opinion about the herbalists approach vs. the channel approach. I

don't think its either/or---I think all methods of using acupuncture

are effective and valid, even when they contradict each other, which

they often do. I sometimes use an herbalists approach to

acupuncture, and I get really good results. Other times I use a

channel approach. It depends on the person and what I am treating.

I'm curious whether the acupuncturists who take exception to an

herbalists approach are themselves herbalists. See, I find that

studying herbs helped shape my acupuncture in a certain direction,

but I don't think that its better or worse than another direction.

Its just different. I'm sure that my approach works better for some

patients while a more channel oriented approach works better for

others. I also use a channel approach, and would like to further my

knowledge in that area. But I don't think that its fair or accurate

to say that acupuncture cannot be used effectively with an herbalists

approach: I can tell you that it in fact does work in the right

situation. When I was in school I noticed that the students who were

not studying herbs along with acupuncture had ideas that worked that

I was not as familiar with. But I also had ideas that worked that

they were not as familiar with. See? So that's my two cents, thanks

for listening!

 

Laura

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " salvador_march "

<salvador_march@h...> wrote:

> Chinese Medicine , " Robert Chu "

> <chusauli@m...> wrote:

>

> > All of this TCM stuff of Damp heat in the LI, phlegm heat in the

> Lung

> > represents the herbalization of Acupuncture. Acupuncture is

based

> on the

> > channnels, whether the s/s are physical, mental, emotional - you

> simply

> > treat the channels involved. This is real acupuncture, not

> herbalized

> > acupuncture.

> >> See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

>

> Thank You Robert!

>

> You have loosend a little thorn that was bugging me for ages. In my

> practice because I feel the energy in the meridians I often sedate

> or tonify points along the meridians which T.C.M. patterns of

> differentiations have no theory to explain.

> For example I may sedate LU-5 as a result of feeling the energy

> stuck in the point, but the patient has no Phlegm or Heat in the

> lungs at a physical level. Yet the patient Will physiologically as

> well as mentally and emotionally improve.

>

>

> salvador

> http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

By the way, I'm thinking that maybe someone here who has more

sophisticated skills with a channel approach to acupuncture might

have some good ideas for me with my traumatic injury from sleeping on

Ren 4. I wrote a thread about it, you might have seen it. I have

had trouble figuring out how to treat stagnation on this channel

because it is so different from other channels. If I needle into the

area or anywhere near it I get worse everytime (which is generally

true for me--local needling always makes pain worse on me). The only

treatment that I've found that helps is: Ren 6, LI 4, Liv 3. So any

ideas would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag "

<heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I just want to toss in my

> opinion about the herbalists approach vs. the channel approach. I

> don't think its either/or---I think all methods of using

acupuncture

> are effective and valid, even when they contradict each other,

which

> they often do. I sometimes use an herbalists approach to

> acupuncture, and I get really good results. Other times I use a

> channel approach. It depends on the person and what I am

treating.

> I'm curious whether the acupuncturists who take exception to an

> herbalists approach are themselves herbalists. See, I find that

> studying herbs helped shape my acupuncture in a certain direction,

> but I don't think that its better or worse than another direction.

> Its just different. I'm sure that my approach works better for

some

> patients while a more channel oriented approach works better for

> others. I also use a channel approach, and would like to further my

> knowledge in that area. But I don't think that its fair or

accurate

> to say that acupuncture cannot be used effectively with an

herbalists

> approach: I can tell you that it in fact does work in the right

> situation. When I was in school I noticed that the students who

were

> not studying herbs along with acupuncture had ideas that worked

that

> I was not as familiar with. But I also had ideas that worked that

> they were not as familiar with. See? So that's my two cents,

thanks

> for listening!

>

> Laura

>

>

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine , " salvador_march "

> <salvador_march@h...> wrote:

> > Chinese Medicine , " Robert Chu "

> > <chusauli@m...> wrote:

> >

> > > All of this TCM stuff of Damp heat in the LI, phlegm heat in

the

> > Lung

> > > represents the herbalization of Acupuncture. Acupuncture is

> based

> > on the

> > > channnels, whether the s/s are physical, mental, emotional -

you

> > simply

> > > treat the channels involved. This is real acupuncture, not

> > herbalized

> > > acupuncture.

> > >> See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> >

> > Thank You Robert!

> >

> > You have loosend a little thorn that was bugging me for ages. In

my

> > practice because I feel the energy in the meridians I often

sedate

> > or tonify points along the meridians which T.C.M. patterns of

> > differentiations have no theory to explain.

> > For example I may sedate LU-5 as a result of feeling the energy

> > stuck in the point, but the patient has no Phlegm or Heat in the

> > lungs at a physical level. Yet the patient Will physiologically

as

> > well as mentally and emotionally improve.

> >

> >

> > salvador

> > http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag "

<heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> By the way, I'm thinking that maybe someone here who has more

> sophisticated skills with a channel approach to acupuncture might

> have some good ideas for me with my traumatic injury from sleeping

on

> Ren 4. > ideas would be greatly appreciated!!

>

> Laura

>

 

 

Hi Laura,

 

I am willing to offer suggestions but with the following provisos.

 

That if you decide to take up my suggested approach you will:

 

1) share with the group everything about yourself that might be

relevant to your present dysharmonies.

 

2) you will find another competent acupuncturist to insert the

needles according to my suggestions.

 

3) that you will share with the group how you feel before and after

each acupuncture session.

 

4) that you will do this process for a minimum of 5 sessions.

 

If you decide to proceed please download a form to fill in from

http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com/1form.htm

 

 

salvador

http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Laura,

 

Try St36, or Liv 3.

 

St36 is the command point of the lower abdomen. The Liver channel runs

through the groin.

 

Good luck and let me know what happens.

 

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

chusauli

 

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

 

 

 

 

 

> " heylaurag " <heylaurag

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

> Re: Herbalists Approach vs. Channel Approach

>Thu, 27 May 2004 10:36:28 -0000

>

>Hi,

>

>By the way, I'm thinking that maybe someone here who has more

>sophisticated skills with a channel approach to acupuncture might

>have some good ideas for me with my traumatic injury from sleeping on

>Ren 4. I wrote a thread about it, you might have seen it. I have

>had trouble figuring out how to treat stagnation on this channel

>because it is so different from other channels. If I needle into the

>area or anywhere near it I get worse everytime (which is generally

>true for me--local needling always makes pain worse on me). The only

>treatment that I've found that helps is: Ren 6, LI 4, Liv 3. So any

>ideas would be greatly appreciated!!

>

> Laura

>

>

>

>

>Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag "

><heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I just want to toss in my

> > opinion about the herbalists approach vs. the channel approach. I

> > don't think its either/or---I think all methods of using

>acupuncture

> > are effective and valid, even when they contradict each other,

>which

> > they often do. I sometimes use an herbalists approach to

> > acupuncture, and I get really good results. Other times I use a

> > channel approach. It depends on the person and what I am

>treating.

> > I'm curious whether the acupuncturists who take exception to an

> > herbalists approach are themselves herbalists. See, I find that

> > studying herbs helped shape my acupuncture in a certain direction,

> > but I don't think that its better or worse than another direction.

> > Its just different. I'm sure that my approach works better for

>some

> > patients while a more channel oriented approach works better for

> > others. I also use a channel approach, and would like to further my

> > knowledge in that area. But I don't think that its fair or

>accurate

> > to say that acupuncture cannot be used effectively with an

>herbalists

> > approach: I can tell you that it in fact does work in the right

> > situation. When I was in school I noticed that the students who

>were

> > not studying herbs along with acupuncture had ideas that worked

>that

> > I was not as familiar with. But I also had ideas that worked that

> > they were not as familiar with. See? So that's my two cents,

>thanks

> > for listening!

> >

> > Laura

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

>Chinese Medicine , " salvador_march "

> > <salvador_march@h...> wrote:

> > > Chinese Medicine , " Robert Chu "

> > > <chusauli@m...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > All of this TCM stuff of Damp heat in the LI, phlegm heat in

>the

> > > Lung

> > > > represents the herbalization of Acupuncture. Acupuncture is

> > based

> > > on the

> > > > channnels, whether the s/s are physical, mental, emotional -

>you

> > > simply

> > > > treat the channels involved. This is real acupuncture, not

> > > herbalized

> > > > acupuncture.

> > > >> See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> > >

> > > Thank You Robert!

> > >

> > > You have loosend a little thorn that was bugging me for ages. In

>my

> > > practice because I feel the energy in the meridians I often

>sedate

> > > or tonify points along the meridians which T.C.M. patterns of

> > > differentiations have no theory to explain.

> > > For example I may sedate LU-5 as a result of feeling the energy

> > > stuck in the point, but the patient has no Phlegm or Heat in the

> > > lungs at a physical level. Yet the patient Will physiologically

>as

> > > well as mentally and emotionally improve.

> > >

> > >

> > > salvador

> > > http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Salvador,

 

I wasn't able to download your form on my computer. I'll see if my

fiance has ideas on how to do it (he's kind of a computer guy). I

appreciate your willingness to help. I hope that you don't mind that

I have expressed differing opinions on a few things that you've

written lately. I have no doubt that you could teach me a lot....but

who knows, maybe I have a thing or two to teach too! I've responded

to a few posts giving details about myself, but I don't know if that

would tell you what you need to know.

 

Laura

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " salvador_march "

<salvador_march@h...> wrote:

> Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag "

> <heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > By the way, I'm thinking that maybe someone here who has more

> > sophisticated skills with a channel approach to acupuncture might

> > have some good ideas for me with my traumatic injury from

sleeping

> on

> > Ren 4. > ideas would be greatly appreciated!!

> >

> > Laura

> >

>

>

> Hi Laura,

>

> I am willing to offer suggestions but with the following provisos.

>

> That if you decide to take up my suggested approach you will:

>

> 1) share with the group everything about yourself that might be

> relevant to your present dysharmonies.

>

> 2) you will find another competent acupuncturist to insert the

> needles according to my suggestions.

>

> 3) that you will share with the group how you feel before and after

> each acupuncture session.

>

> 4) that you will do this process for a minimum of 5 sessions.

>

> If you decide to proceed please download a form to fill in from

> http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com/1form.htm

>

>

> salvador

> http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com