Slept with Ren 4 stabbing me in my stomach....

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura

 

It's great to see all the beautiful response to your letter.

- stabbing pain at Ren 4? blood stagnation locally? or in SI?

How does it feel if you put your hand here? cold?

 

I personally think there are many optional places to treat a local condition

such as this.

Du meridian as a mirror place is great, and so are also a number of other

places.

Here are a few more ideas of mirrors and connections. Some of these may explain

why

points on different meridians may work.

 

Ren 4

 

SI Front Mu point

SI = TaiYang - UB is also Taiyang - (same meridian flow)

SI = Taiyang - SP = Taiyin (taiyin-taiyang balance)

SI - HT = Zang-Fu balance

SI - KI = opposite Zang-Fu balance *(water - fire)

SI = 3-5 pm - LV 3-5 am, circadian balance, opposite clock time

 

Other images on the body:

 

Hand as the body - Sooji style - tip of 3rd digit is head, 2nd and 4th are arms,

1st and 5th

are legs.

Ren 4 - palm - midline and out along 3rd finger= micro Ren mai

- location: around a 4th of the distance from the wrist to the MCP joint

(midway is Ren 8)

Du 4 -back of hand, along 3rd metacarpal bone and 3rd finger = micro Du mai

- location: just halway between ends of 3rd MC-bone

 

Hand as the body - SuJok style - thumb is head,neck, upper chest 3rd and 4th

digits are

legs. Ren4 somewhere between 3rd and 4rth in the meta carpal area

 

Arms as the abdomen - navel in elbow area - head either end (or hand as head)

Ren 4 location - search along the most Yin area from elbow towards end probably

PC

channel or HT channel or in between. Painful? stop and press til it changes

Du 4 location - same ting but on opposite side.

 

Legs as abdomen - I think you get the picture

 

Same things goes for just the lower arm as the abdomen and lower leg

 

How fun it is to explore all these places.. to be an adventurer..

 

Warm regards, Holger Wendt

[Guest guest]

Hi Holger,

 

Yes, I have been incredibly impressed with all the responses I have

gotten. It really validates what I've thought all along...that I am

going through this in order to learn from it. I feel incredibly

blessed to have found this board and cannot believe how giving people

have been to help me. Your ideas are so, so great too. I am a new

practitioner so I am still a bit awkward with certain skills that I

know are very effective. Mirroring points is an area that I have had

great success with, but sometimes have trouble picturing. Your

examples are very helpful. My teacher in school would often say, " Or

you could try a mirror point " and I would always wish that she would

give examples because I was having trouble picturing the mirrored

points. So your examples were wonderfully instructive!

 

Here's an interesting thing: I sometimes have dreams about what

needs to be done in a treatment with myself or a patient. I had a

dream about a year ago that what I needed to do was treat the Taiyang

or Taiyin. I couldn't remember from the dream which it was....so I

didn't really do anything in response to the dream. But generally

when I have had dreams about healing they have been accurate. Also

interesting is the fact that I have a long history of pain along my

SI channel going up my arm to my shoulder and back. Acupuncture has

helped but not completely resolved the problem (probably because I

never commit to going to someone and getting treated---instead I just

treat myself once when it gets bad). I'm a much better practitioner

to others than myself!

 

Doing the herbal program while in school deepened my understanding of

TCM in many ways, but all the clinic shifts I spent doing herbs took

away from my time to work with acupuncture. I don't regret studying

herbs, but I want to really focus on honing my skills in certain

areas of acupuncture---such as mirror points.

 

So now that you've read about my dream do you have a specific

recommendation? I assume I should treat the SI channel with a

mirrored point that is also a tender point....but let me know if you

have any other specific idea.

 

Thanks again,

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Holger Wendt "

<holger.wendt@t...> wrote:

>

> Hi Laura

>

> It's great to see all the beautiful response to your letter.

> - stabbing pain at Ren 4? blood stagnation locally? or in SI?

> How does it feel if you put your hand here? cold?

>

> I personally think there are many optional places to treat a local

condition such as this.

> Du meridian as a mirror place is great, and so are also a number of

other places.

> Here are a few more ideas of mirrors and connections. Some of these

may explain why

> points on different meridians may work.

>

> Ren 4

>

> SI Front Mu point

> SI = TaiYang - UB is also Taiyang - (same meridian flow)

> SI = Taiyang - SP = Taiyin (taiyin-taiyang balance)

> SI - HT = Zang-Fu balance

> SI - KI = opposite Zang-Fu balance *(water - fire)

> SI = 3-5 pm - LV 3-5 am, circadian balance, opposite clock time

>

> Other images on the body:

>

> Hand as the body - Sooji style - tip of 3rd digit is head, 2nd and

4th are arms, 1st and 5th

> are legs.

> Ren 4 - palm - midline and out along 3rd finger= micro Ren mai

> - location: around a 4th of the distance from the wrist to the MCP

joint (midway is Ren 8)

> Du 4 -back of hand, along 3rd metacarpal bone and 3rd finger =

micro Du mai

> - location: just halway between ends of 3rd MC-bone

>

> Hand as the body - SuJok style - thumb is head,neck, upper chest

3rd and 4th digits are

> legs. Ren4 somewhere between 3rd and 4rth in the meta carpal area

>

> Arms as the abdomen - navel in elbow area - head either end (or

hand as head)

> Ren 4 location - search along the most Yin area from elbow towards

end probably PC

> channel or HT channel or in between. Painful? stop and press til it

changes

> Du 4 location - same ting but on opposite side.

>

> Legs as abdomen - I think you get the picture

>

> Same things goes for just the lower arm as the abdomen and lower leg

>

> How fun it is to explore all these places.. to be an adventurer..

>

> Warm regards, Holger Wendt

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich!

 

Interesting, we never hurt the patients naive students as we were because

we meant well. Follows that the docs who hurt patients are intending to

make money without reference to helping or hurting the patient.

 

At 08:33 AM 5/28/2004, you wrote:

>Hi again Pete,

>

>Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen

><petet@a...> wrote:

> > Hi Salvador!

> > I don't think I quite said " there is no problem if you stick a

>needle > in

> > the wrong place " . If you *try* to hurt someone, you probably can.

>

>My idea is that there are possibilities to cause aggravation of

>conditions using needles if there is enough " qi intent "

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura!

 

Rolling On the Floor Laughing.

 

At 11:46 AM 5/28/2004, you wrote:

>Hmmm....I don't know what ROFL means.....???

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Pete,

 

Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen

<petet@a...> wrote:

> Hi Rich!

>

> Interesting, we never hurt the patients naive students as we were

because

> we meant well. Follows that the docs who hurt patients are intending to

> make money without reference to helping or hurting the patient.

>

 

I think this viewpoint has merit. I believe Intent has a lot to do

with the progress of treatments. Intent comes from many directions,

but I believe the more sensitive the doctor, the more likely there is

good progress. One of the issues with WM is the " distance " that exists

between patient and doctor. I think most people nowadays recognize

this problem.

 

Personally, I think that time is well spent learning " energetic

sensitivity " . I practice Qigong and Tai Chi but I think there are many

other ways. This type of training in schools may be more worthwhile

than memorizing point protocols. Just a thought.

 

Regards,

Rich

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich!

 

Interesting thought. Any ideas of the content of the course?

 

At 09:36 AM 5/29/2004, you wrote:<snip>

 

I think that time is well spent learning " energetic sensitivity " . I

practice Qigong and Tai Chi but I think there are many other ways. This

type of training in schools may be more worthwhile than memorizing point

protocols. Just a thought.

 

>Regards,

>Rich

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Pete,

 

If I was to start teaching the class, I would begin by introducing

qigong breathing and awareness. Once a student begins to sense the

flow of energy in the body, a whole new perspective of Chinese

Medicine begins to develop. It is no longer a set of " words " about

foreign concepts, but instead because a real-life experience that

someone can ground in. It is like taking an apple and cutting it in

half. It is one thing to talk about two halves making a whole - it is

entirely different to actually experience it.

 

This is actually not difficult to learn - if one is open to learning

it, because it is all about the Mind being " open " . There are a variety

of paths that one can take from this point - some along the lines of

using internal energy to create movement (taiji) or using internal

energy to create external energy (heat, electric sensations, etc.). It

really depends upon what the students want to learn - and of course

what the teacher is capable of teaching.

 

Hope this gives you some idea of how I would introduce " qi " energy

into a course curriculum

 

Regards,

Rich

 

Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen

<petet@a...> wrote:

> Hi Rich!

>

> Interesting thought. Any ideas of the content of the course?

>

> At 09:36 AM 5/29/2004, you wrote:<snip>

>

> I think that time is well spent learning " energetic sensitivity " . I

> practice Qigong and Tai Chi but I think there are many other ways. This

> type of training in schools may be more worthwhile than memorizing

point

> protocols. Just a thought.

>

> >Regards,

> >Rich

>

> Regards,

>

> Pete