Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hi Robert Chu, I have not studied Master Tong's acupuncture. The only book that I am aware of on this topic is Miriam Lee's book, " Master Tong's Acupuncture " . I was wondering if you think that is a good source and if you know of other ways that I can learn. Do you find it similar to Dr. Tan's acupuncture? I use Dr. Tan's points all the time and find them incredibly useful. Thanks! Laura >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Digest Number 488 >25 May 2004 08:55:10 -0000 > > >There are 19 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Re: Heavy metal contamination > Musiclear > 2. Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " " < > 3. Prayers for Holger's son and family > " Sacredqi888 " <sacredqi888 > 4. Heavy metals > " benheeha " <ben_laura > 5. Re: Damp and Diet > " Rich " <rfinkelstein > 6. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen > 7. Autism in Children > " " < > 8. Re: Autism in Children > " Deirdre Mackesy " <cotcm > 9. RE: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > 10. Re: Autism in Children > Steve Smith <radicalneuro > 11. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " " <zrosenbe > 12. Re: Autism in Children > " Dermot O'Connor " <dermot > 13. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " salvador_march " <salvador_march > 14. Re: Point and shoot (awareness and responsibility) > mystir <ykcul_ritsym > 15. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > 16. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " " <zrosenbe > 17. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > 18. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " Rich " <rfinkelstein > 19. Re: Point and shoot (awareness and responsibility) > Pete Theisen <petet > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Mon, 24 May 2004 08:46:09 EDT > Musiclear >Re: Re: Heavy metal contamination > > > I agree that there are problems with herbs these days. > > There are pretty good options though. Chlorella is decent for a >mildly >toxic person, or someone wanting to gently remove toxins over time. >Homeopathics have been shown to increase urine metal levels. Although I am >not sure a >person using Homeopathics wouldn't redistribute toxins as well. I would be >more >comfortable with therapies that bind the metals strongly all the way out. > > I am interested in your meaning in writing your last paragraph. > > On the surface, it could be taken as if a plant batch has been shown >to >be polluted, that the entire geniis would be stricken. I am pretty sure >this >is not what you meant, but am just checking. > > Chris > > > >In a message dated 5/23/2004 1:08:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: >I feel very strongly that it is unwise to rely on herbal medicine alone >to handle heavy metal toxicity problems. IMO, it is a classical >example of the need for Integrative Medicine – integration of >WM/toxicology with the best of Chinese herbalism. > >IMO, if they are used WITH logically selected WM methods to strip >and clear the toxic minerals, herbs may have a most useful role to >play in minimizing the effects of sudden surges of blood levels, and >sudden loads hitting the excretory paths, as the toxins are stripped >and excreted. > >Finally, I am 100% behind ruthless QC, and banning for sale, of >any medicinals that break internationally agreed guidelines on >heavy metal levels. > >Best regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hi Deirdre Mackesy, I saw your post about practicing acupuncture along with homeopathy. I am very interested in homeopathy, but do not have formal training. I know that some homeopaths believe that acupuncture can get in the way of homeopathic remedies working. Have you found that to be true? I have personally experienced extreme responses to homeopathy---both good and bad. I have had problems alleviated that I had not been able to treat with TCM, but I also developed hypothyroid after taking a remedy once. I know it was the remedy because I became extremely cold within 2 hours of taking the remedy and remained so for months. I tend to be highly sensitive to energy medicine, so I realize this is an unusual response. Laura >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Digest Number 488 >25 May 2004 08:55:10 -0000 > > >There are 19 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Re: Heavy metal contamination > Musiclear > 2. Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " " < > 3. Prayers for Holger's son and family > " Sacredqi888 " <sacredqi888 > 4. Heavy metals > " benheeha " <ben_laura > 5. Re: Damp and Diet > " Rich " <rfinkelstein > 6. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen > 7. Autism in Children > " " < > 8. Re: Autism in Children > " Deirdre Mackesy " <cotcm > 9. RE: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > 10. Re: Autism in Children > Steve Smith <radicalneuro > 11. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " " <zrosenbe > 12. Re: Autism in Children > " Dermot O'Connor " <dermot > 13. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " salvador_march " <salvador_march > 14. Re: Point and shoot (awareness and responsibility) > mystir <ykcul_ritsym > 15. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > 16. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " " <zrosenbe > 17. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > 18. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > " Rich " <rfinkelstein > 19. Re: Point and shoot (awareness and responsibility) > Pete Theisen <petet > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Mon, 24 May 2004 08:46:09 EDT > Musiclear >Re: Re: Heavy metal contamination > > > I agree that there are problems with herbs these days. > > There are pretty good options though. Chlorella is decent for a >mildly >toxic person, or someone wanting to gently remove toxins over time. >Homeopathics have been shown to increase urine metal levels. Although I am >not sure a >person using Homeopathics wouldn't redistribute toxins as well. I would be >more >comfortable with therapies that bind the metals strongly all the way out. > > I am interested in your meaning in writing your last paragraph. > > On the surface, it could be taken as if a plant batch has been shown >to >be polluted, that the entire geniis would be stricken. I am pretty sure >this >is not what you meant, but am just checking. > > Chris > > > >In a message dated 5/23/2004 1:08:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: >I feel very strongly that it is unwise to rely on herbal medicine alone >to handle heavy metal toxicity problems. IMO, it is a classical >example of the need for Integrative Medicine – integration of >WM/toxicology with the best of Chinese herbalism. > >IMO, if they are used WITH logically selected WM methods to strip >and clear the toxic minerals, herbs may have a most useful role to >play in minimizing the effects of sudden surges of blood levels, and >sudden loads hitting the excretory paths, as the toxins are stripped >and excreted. > >Finally, I am 100% behind ruthless QC, and banning for sale, of >any medicinals that break internationally agreed guidelines on >heavy metal levels. > >Best regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hi Laura I agree Homoeopathy is an amazing system of medicine. I use it quite synergistically alongside TCM with good results. The fact that you developed hypothyroid after a remedy does not mean the remedy did you harm per se from my understanding if I had been treating you I would have taken the symptoms of your hypothyroid state and re prescribed on that to get you moving onto the next level. There are many ways to look at your situation but it could have been sorted with the remedies. I hope you didnt go on to Eltroxin? - Laura G <heylaurag <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:36 PM RE: Digest Number 488 > Hi Deirdre Mackesy, > > I saw your post about practicing acupuncture along with homeopathy. I am > very interested in homeopathy, but do not have formal training. I know that > some homeopaths believe that acupuncture can get in the way of homeopathic > remedies working. Have you found that to be true? I have personally > experienced extreme responses to homeopathy---both good and bad. I have had > problems alleviated that I had not been able to treat with TCM, but I also > developed hypothyroid after taking a remedy once. I know it was the remedy > because I became extremely cold within 2 hours of taking the remedy and > remained so for months. I tend to be highly sensitive to energy medicine, > so I realize this is an unusual response. > > Laura > > > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > > Digest Number 488 > >25 May 2004 08:55:10 -0000 > > > > > >There are 19 messages in this issue. > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: Re: Heavy metal contamination > > Musiclear > > 2. Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > > " " < > > 3. Prayers for Holger's son and family > > " Sacredqi888 " <sacredqi888 > > 4. Heavy metals > > " benheeha " <ben_laura > > 5. Re: Damp and Diet > > " Rich " <rfinkelstein > > 6. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > > " Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen > > 7. Autism in Children > > " " < > > 8. Re: Autism in Children > > " Deirdre Mackesy " <cotcm > > 9. RE: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > > 10. Re: Autism in Children > > Steve Smith <radicalneuro > > 11. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > > " " <zrosenbe > > 12. Re: Autism in Children > > " Dermot O'Connor " <dermot > > 13. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > > " salvador_march " <salvador_march > > 14. Re: Point and shoot (awareness and responsibility) > > mystir <ykcul_ritsym > > 15. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > > 16. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > > " " <zrosenbe > > 17. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction > > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > > 18. Re: Where does Mainstream AP fit in Chinese Integrative Medicine? > > " Rich " <rfinkelstein > > 19. Re: Point and shoot (awareness and responsibility) > > Pete Theisen <petet > > > > > >______________________ > >______________________ > > > >Message: 1 > > Mon, 24 May 2004 08:46:09 EDT > > Musiclear > >Re: Re: Heavy metal contamination > > > > > > I agree that there are problems with herbs these days. > > > > There are pretty good options though. Chlorella is decent for a > >mildly > >toxic person, or someone wanting to gently remove toxins over time. > >Homeopathics have been shown to increase urine metal levels. Although I am > >not sure a > >person using Homeopathics wouldn't redistribute toxins as well. I would be > >more > >comfortable with therapies that bind the metals strongly all the way out. > > > > I am interested in your meaning in writing your last paragraph. > > > > On the surface, it could be taken as if a plant batch has been shown > >to > >be polluted, that the entire geniis would be stricken. I am pretty sure > >this > >is not what you meant, but am just checking. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > >In a message dated 5/23/2004 1:08:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > writes: > >I feel very strongly that it is unwise to rely on herbal medicine alone > >to handle heavy metal toxicity problems. IMO, it is a classical > >example of the need for Integrative Medicine â? " integration of > >WM/toxicology with the best of Chinese herbalism. > > > >IMO, if they are used WITH logically selected WM methods to strip > >and clear the toxic minerals, herbs may have a most useful role to > >play in minimizing the effects of sudden surges of blood levels, and > >sudden loads hitting the excretory paths, as the toxins are stripped > >and excreted. > > > >Finally, I am 100% behind ruthless QC, and banning for sale, of > >any medicinals that break internationally agreed guidelines on > >heavy metal levels. > > > >Best regards, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Sometimes what looks like hyper or hypothyroid is simply a manifestation of a skewed sphenoid bone, in which the pituitary does not sit comfortably, and causes a rash of symptoms, amongst which a hypo thyroid crops up. If this is treated, and in the meanwhile the sphenoid[henoid has shifted back to normal, one will be dosing a person with normal thyroid levels with more additional hormone. This the pituitary will read as a surplus and cease to that degree to produce thyroid stimulating hormone, causing a shortfall in the blood stream. In which case very shortly one may precipitate a hyperthyroid condition, all the time thinking one is containing a hypothyroid. I would suggest that you exclude a sphenoid bone shift. The method follows Matsumoto's lead and is very effective. To begin with, palpate UB 2 [light pressure], UB 10 and a point a cun above in the nuchal groove; also check all cervical shu and Huato points. If some are tender, or the trapezium is tight and the neck stiff, there is very likely a sphenoid shift. It is relatively easy to set this right. Awaiting feedback. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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